Nick Clegg: Artists’ demands over copyright are unworkable - The former Meta executive claims that a law requiring tech companies to ask permission to train AI on copyrighted work would ‘kill’ the industry

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Sir Nick Clegg said it was “not unreasonable” for artists to want to be able to opt out of their work being used to train AI
DAVID MCHUGH FOR THE TIMES


Making technology companies ask artists’ permission before they scrape copyrighted content will “basically kill the AI industry in this country overnight,” Sir Nick Clegg has said.

The former deputy prime minister, who spent almost seven years working for the social media giant Meta, sided with technology companies when asked on Thursday about the clash over AI copyright laws.

He was speaking as MPs voted against proposals that would have allowed copyright holders to see when their work had been used and by whom.

Leading figures across the creative industries, including Sir Elton John and Sir Paul McCartney, have urged the government not to “give our work away” at the behest of big tech, warning that the plans risk destroying the livelihoods of 2.5 million people who work in the UK’s creative sector.

However, Clegg said that their demands to make technology companies ask permission before using copyrighted work were unworkable and “implausible” because AI systems are already training on vast amounts of data. He said: “It’s out there already.”

Clegg defended technology companies at an event to promote his book How to Save the Internet, which will be released in September.

Speaking at the Charleston Festival, held at the East Sussex farmhouse made famous by the artist Vanessa Bell and the early 20th-century creatives known as the Bloomsbury Group, Clegg claimed that artificial intelligence was already able to “create” its own art.

“You can already create art of a sort [using AI], whether it’s a poem, a ditty, an essay, a short story, a picture. You can already do that,” he said

Referring to the question of whether “artists should be able to withhold their content from the AI models that are being trained,” he said: “On the one hand, yeah, I think it seems to me as a matter of natural justice, to say to people that they should be able to opt out of having their creativity, their products, what they’ve worked on indefinitely modelled. That seems to me to be not unreasonable to opt out.”

However, he added, “I think the creative community wants to go a step further. Quite a lot of voices say ‘you can only train on my content, [if you] first ask’. And I have to say that strikes me as somewhat implausible because these systems train on vast amounts of data.

“I just don’t know how you go around, asking everyone first. I just don’t see how that would work. And by the way if you did it in Britain and no one else did it, you would basically kill the AI industry in this country overnight.

“So, I think people should have clear, easy to use ways of saying, no, I don’t. I want out of this. But I think expecting the industry, technologically or otherwise, to preemptively ask before they even start training — I just don’t see. I’m afraid that just collides with the physics of the technology itself.”

Parliament heard on Thursday how both sectors needed to succeed to grow Britain’s economy. MPs voted 195 to 124, majority 71, to disagree with Baroness Kidron’s transparency amendment to the Data (Use and Access) Bill.

Clegg stepped down from his job at Meta earlier this year, after seven years in Silicon Valley. He resigned from his role as president of global affairs just weeks before President Trump’s return to the White House.

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The same douche bro assholes that want their copyright respected want to ignore yours. How dare we slow down AI even if it'll destroy humanity that'll hurt their hype bubbles.

Shame we can't get the copyright assholes like Sony and Nintendo to care. Ah that's right copyright penalties are only for average plebs and the internets nigger (even when the latter is actually innocent)

Fuck all of this bullshit. We have copyright in massively punitive ways with DRM except when corpos want to ignore it.
 
“I just don’t know how you go around, asking everyone first. I just don’t see how that would work. And by the way if you did it in Britain and no one else did it, you would basically kill the AI industry in this country overnight.
The majority of the artists the AIs have been training off of are well known enough and professional enough to have contact info via portfolio websites. Just send them an e-mail, shoot your shot and whatever they say you go from there. It's no different from hiring them for freelance jobs or commissions so this bitching about doing the bare minimum is unwarranted. What kind of fucking businessman is this idiot?

deputy prime minister
Oh. So he's worse than an idiot, he's an idiot with power. 🚬
 
Referring to the question of whether “artists should be able to withhold their content from the AI models that are being trained,” he said: “On the one hand, yeah, I think it seems to me as a matter of natural justice, to say to people that they should be able to opt out of having their creativity, their products, what they’ve worked on indefinitely modelled. That seems to me to be not unreasonable to opt out.”
It's property, you fucking faggot; it's not a matter of what you deem to be reasonable.

The majority of the artists the AIs have been training off of are well known enough and professional enough to have contact info via portfolio websites.
Not accurate. They scraped everyone, entire websites that host the portfolios of thousands of people. They can't account for everyone's copyright they've infringed because it would literally not be possible.
 
Not accurate. They scraped everyone, entire websites that host the portfolios of thousands of people. They can't account for everyone's copyright they've infringed because it would literally not be possible.
That's their own faults. There's no way in hell that even the brits don't know about internet copyright infringements. No matter how much they were blinded by greed. Especially not this guy who worked for fucking Meta.

If it's everyone they scraped for their get-rich-quick robot toys, then it's everyone they will be compensating until their bloodlines run dry.
 
I support the companies because, to be honest, there is a part of me that wants artists to fail. The vast majority of them are pretentious asswipes and deserve to be kicked down a peg or two, or three, or a hundred. Why is your job special? It shouldn't be. Many other types of jobs have been replaced throughout history and a precious precious artiste should not get a magic legal shield because they whine and bitch.


And secondly, I'll be honest, this is pure selfishness, but I want the closest thing humanity has made to a magic wand. I want to be able to create songs or paintings or whatever in a style with just a couple of words sent to a magic math box. I can barely draw stick figures, and learning how to properly draw or paint would be time-consuming and I'd still probably not be good enough to get the vision in my head out. AI will (eventually, once the crappiness gets ironed out) allow me to bring nearly anything I want seen right there on my screen. I nor anyone else should have to let that be taken away. If you threaten this, you should be taken out like the supposed Luddites were.
 
a precious precious artiste should not get a magic legal shield because they whine and bitch.
I nor anyone else should have to let that be taken away.
So people with actual abilities and skills are just pretentious whiners, but it's your God-given right to tell a corporate data center to create pictures for you and anyone who interferes with that should be killed?

Holy shit, you're an unbelievable retard.
 
They are right about artists in general though, at least ones on the Internet.

Many of them were in the leftist "learn to code" camp towards truckers up until image generation AI came onto the scene.

A lot of this is gatekeeping; digital artists steal ideas etc from each other constantly.
 
I support the companies because, to be honest, there is a part of me that wants artists to fail. The vast majority of them are pretentious asswipes and deserve to be kicked down a peg or two, or three, or a hundred. Why is your job special? It shouldn't be. Many other types of jobs have been replaced throughout history and a precious precious artiste should not get a magic legal shield because they whine and bitch.


And secondly, I'll be honest, this is pure selfishness, but I want the closest thing humanity has made to a magic wand. I want to be able to create songs or paintings or whatever in a style with just a couple of words sent to a magic math box. I can barely draw stick figures, and learning how to properly draw or paint would be time-consuming and I'd still probably not be good enough to get the vision in my head out. AI will (eventually, once the crappiness gets ironed out) allow me to bring nearly anything I want seen right there on my screen. I nor anyone else should have to let that be taken away. If you threaten this, you should be taken out like the supposed Luddites were.
"I wish I could make things, but I'm just too lazy. However, the people who really do make things are pretentious."
 
The pro-piracy answer is fuck reddit "artists" and AI megacorps
I just think it's hypocritical hearing the complaints of digital artists about this given the high odds that in their youth they probably pirated Photoshop and innumerable other programs.

What was it Picasso supposedly said? Great artists steal? Now it's a problem when the shoe is on the other foot?
 
"Some people pirate software, therefore multi-national corporations should be granted a permanent exception from IP law."
I don't give a crap about multinational corps. I know perfectly well that most of the types who complain about generative AI do not distinguish between a guy running a local instance of Stable Diffusion and a megacorp.

The issue here is that the people bitching are quite often some of the few people who look less sympathetic than megacorps. It's impressive.
 
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