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we lost Korea, Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, and now Afghanistan
The USA didn't lose in Iraq or South Korea or Syria. The US destroyed Saddam and left in 2011. ISIS demanded a round two so we came back kicked their asses too,
As for Syria, the United States never directly and intentionally engaged Syrian troops other than the few times our special forces vaporized scores of them along with a handful of russian mercenaries. Our proxies kept losing but Assad's regime is gone now anyhow and never coming back. Even if the current regime there goes to shit, it won't make a difference. Turkey has an outsized influence over the whole nation now while Israel's still doing whatever the hell they want in the Golan Heights. Both of whom are American allies so we still come out on top regardless of either turning tail and running. Assad, Iran, and ISIS plainly lost the war in the end.
And as for Korea? Don't make a difference because Communism lost.
 
Vietnam sucked, we lost strategically no matter how many of those bastards we killed.
This is actually an interesting discussion because whether or not it was worth it depends on how many tiers of "big picture" you're thinking.

For military nerds it was a US win. Majority of actual engagements were US victories.

But if we zoom out and look a little bit more big picture... it was a massive US loss: The political aim was to unite vietnam under western style democracy and win it for the south. The exact oppossite happenned = loss.

But let's zoom out even more: The vietnam war has to be seen as just one part of the cold war. Why was the west even involved to begin with?
-To stop the Domino effect in southeast asia and prevent communist dominance of pacific shipping chokepoints
-To demonstrate to russia that if they get involved in asia, we'll be there to block them


Both of those goals actually were accomplished... the US held off communism long enough for democratic forces to win in Thailand, Malaysia, indonesia, and the phillippines, all the most important dominos. This Meant there was no longer a fear of communism dominating that region of shipping chokepoints. Russia also backed off on trying to fuck around in the region when they realized it wasn't going to be free real estate.

People who say "the vietnam war was completely pointless" are operating on a very narrow lense. Everything that happened in those 40 years has to be seen as part of a much bigger picture.
 
If it is, you can be assured the CCP will squash any information about it immediately. Probably even vanish folks who try to tell the truth. They're still claiming only 5 people were killed and less than 2 dozen injured almost 12 hours after an explosion that could be seen, felt and heard 7 miles away leveled an entire 500 employee facility. This is as big, if not bigger than the Beruit Explosion in 2020. And the chemicals involved infinitely more lethal.
You never know which one is the one that cracks the dam. That whole article is damning, the party management of safety and risk, the obvious lying about the deaths, paired with the 'improving' workplace casualty numbers indicates that any reduction in workplace fatalities is just a result of not counting them.

I did a report for work once regarding workplace safety and automation.
Food for thought regarding any number from China:
China reports 108 forklift accidents in 2022.
America reports approximately 50,000 for 2021-2022.
The fucking UK reports 1300.

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and CHINESE STATISTICS.
 
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If it is, you can be assured the CCP will squash any information about it immediately. Probably even vanish folks who try to tell the truth. They're still claiming only 5 people were killed and less than 2 dozen injured almost 12 hours after an explosion that could be seen, felt and heard 7 miles away leveled an entire 500 employee facility. This is as big, if not bigger than the Beruit Explosion in 2020. And the chemicals involved infinitely more lethal.
I do not believe in chinese ability to suppress it. Not with cellphones and the general incompetence of the chinese gov. Even if they disappear the entire workforce and surrounding peasents, eventually the cleanup crew and the guards will get it, or the scroungers will try to pick it clean and develop fun new diseases
 
This is actually an interesting discussion because whether or not it was worth it depends on how many tiers of "big picture" you're thinking.

For military nerds it was a US win. Majority of actual engagements were US victories.

But if we zoom out and look a little bit more big picture... it was a massive US loss: The political aim was to unite vietnam under western style democracy and win it for the south. The exact oppossite happenned = loss.

But let's zoom out even more: The vietnam war has to be seen as just one part of the cold war. Why was the west even involved to begin with?
-To stop the Domino effect in southeast asia and prevent communist dominance of pacific shipping chokepoints
-To demonstrate to russia that if they get involved in asia, we'll be there to block them


Both of those goals actually were accomplished... the US held off communism long enough for democratic forces to win in Thailand, Malaysia, indonesia, and the phillippines, all the most important dominos. This Meant there was no longer a fear of communism dominating that region of shipping chokepoints. Russia also backed off on trying to fuck around in the region when they realized it wasn't going to be free real estate.

People who say "the vietnam war was completely pointless" are operating on a very narrow lense. Everything that happened in those 40 years has to be seen as part of a much bigger picture.
we went it to stop china getting a political win and to save french rubber production, ever heard of a little company called Michelin? Google where they got all their rubber from.

War is a Racket my friends
 
Corporal punishment needs to come back because some of these broccoli-haired idiots simply won't learn unless physical pain is involved.
Yeah, beating your kids only teaches them to hate you. If you have to resort to physical punishment, you failed as a parent. I get swatting a kid on the ass when they are too young to be capable of understanding, but all too often shitbag parents resort to this well past the age when mental punishments are required.
 
Yeah, beating your kids only teaches them to hate you. If you have to resort to physical punishment, you failed as a parent. I get swatting a kid on the ass when they are too young to be capable of understanding, but all too often shitbag parents resort to this well past the age when mental punishments are required.
I agree. "We gotta bring back hitting children to discipline them" seems like one of the lazy ideas on the right that sticks around just because it sounds hard or something.
 
Getting it, at this point, is not a positive sign. This is like letting a bunch of scorpions into your house and only freaking out when they start trying to sting your kids. You don't get any credit for realizing the obvious danger you voluntarily submitted your kid to, only after the danger manifests. It's not even like the covid shots, where someone could be legitimately and understandably tricked. These problems have been apparent for a decade and he is supposed to be a media figure who keeps abreast of all information, whether he agrees or not. He actively supports the people who hate his kid and want to see him suffer—and find it funny—and only sees a problem because it endangers his political party.

He's not even saying "These people are despicable for what they say about my kid and how they want to treat him." He's saying it's bad because it hurts his political party. That's demonic.
The difference is that we aren't talking about scorpions, we are talking about human beings. Human beings do have the capacity to change. If Tapper truly reforms remains to be seen, but this is at least a step in a positive direction. Would you rather have two guys who hate you and want to see you dead, or one guy with bad intent and the another who starts to think that maybe what he did was bad?

Then again, I'm not a blackpilled doomer. I'd rather see people like him go "hey, wait a minute" than continue being jackoffs.
 
Yeah, beating your kids only teaches them to hate you. If you have to resort to physical punishment, you failed as a parent. I get swatting a kid on the ass when they are too young to be capable of understanding, but all too often shitbag parents resort to this well past the age when mental punishments are required.
Mental punishments are way better, too. For example, you can punish your teenage daughter by telling her no amount of makeup will hide how weird and ugly her teeth are.
 
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You guys ever given up on a test halfway through and still claimed you Aced it? America has.
You're such a pedantic nigger it's not even funny. Is South Korea and North Korea still technically at war on paper? Yes. Does that mean anything has happened in the last 70 years? Fuck no, the war is long past over. North Korea is a poor shithole and South Korea is a developed Cyberpunk dystopia. Both sides refused to sign a peace treaty simply because of their ideological divide between the two nations. Both sides want/wanted the total unification of Korea (under their own ideology)
With your reasoning you can say that Russia/Soviet Union and Japan are still in a war with each other since they didn't officially sign a peace treaty with each another after the end of WWII.
 
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You guys ever given up on a test halfway through and still claimed you Aced it? America has.
Don't confuse the map with the territory. The 'peace treaty' is not the peace. The peace is the result of the war, which has ended by all reasonable standards. And look who got what in the peace! The Korean War ended with the armistice, and the retarded Kims negotiated a treaty, backed by Mao's butthurt and the taboo against using nuclear weapons on retarded statelike entities like the DPRK. The Southies won and big. Nonetheless, America achieved most of its general strategic aims and kept what has proven to be an extraordinarily valuable ally alive and halt the progress of a hostile ideology. The goal of containment as a strategic policy was to contain, not to eradicate.

Both of those goals actually were accomplished... the US held off communism long enough for democratic forces to win in Thailand, Malaysia, indonesia, and the phillippines, all the most important dominos. This Meant there was no longer a fear of communism dominating that region of shipping chokepoints. Russia also backed off on trying to fuck around in the region when they realized it wasn't going to be free real estate.
'Democratic forces,' sometimes, eh, not so much. Still, better to go through one kind of tyranny than some others. The American public remembers the very visible failure instead of the quieter (in America) and much dirtier success stories.
 
Clot shot. Wrong.

Bub.
Listen. I fall squarely on the side of believing vaccines generally do good, and most of the outrage over them is a mix of Oppositional Defiant Disorder, Dunning-Kruger, and terrible, idiotic messaging during the early days of the disease that misrepresented what a vaccine does.

All that being said, you're being a nonce and not accomplishing anything other than looking retarded.


You never know which one is the one that cracks the dam. That whole article is damning, the party management of safety and risk, the obvious lying about the deaths, paired with the 'improving' workplace casualty numbers indicates that any reduction in workplace fatalities is just a result of not counting them.

I did a report for work once regarding workplace safety and automation.
Food for thought regarding any number from China:
China reports 108 forklift accidents in 2022.
America reports approximately 50,000 for 2021-2022.
The fucking UK reports 1300.

There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and CHINESE STATISTICS.

Having spent my whole life in a career which relies on Forklifts for material handling, and holding several training certificates as a trainer and operator, 108 accidents with 101 fatalities in a country with 1.4 billion people and massive industrial complexes stretching as far as the eye can see is fucking clown world shit.

I do not believe in chinese ability to suppress it. Not with cellphones and the general incompetence of the chinese gov. Even if they disappear the entire workforce and surrounding peasents, eventually the cleanup crew and the guards will get it, or the scroungers will try to pick it clean and develop fun new diseases

They'll hold it in for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if we don't get any more news out of the area for quite some time. Not until those 100's of government agency folks that flooded the area to "help" leave or begin suffering from chemical burns or respiratory distress.
 
Wow, the Gazans were shouting "thank you America?" That's wild since they are all very well aware of who makes Israel's missiles. I'm sure it's not some weird pro-Israel psyop, considering it's coming from the Daily Wire.
Maybe you are a psyop, my be this website is a psyop, maybe the sun is a psyop, maybe life is a psyoo.
 
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