🌟 Internet Famous Steven Carver / Saberspark / Saberspark 64 / Sabersteve - Soylent infused breadtuber "Toonophile" who reviews children's cartoons for a living.

Nat Figger said:
Idk if there’s a thread on blackgryph0n but lazybedhead(largest YouTuber who made a video on gryphon) has deleted her video on it
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Surprisingly there isn’t a thread on him. And I posted the video in here like just before the allegations came out because Lazy mentioned Saber in it. Interesting that she made it private.
 
Fats McGee said:
The thing that really stood out in that video for me was the interview with Claire. I'm not saying I agree with Gabe marrying someone that much younger than him, and I definitely see why people would be uncomfortable about the situation - But you heard it from the horses mouth (No pony pun intended.) Claire seems genuinely, honestly happy.
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I agree that people should be leaving Claire alone in all this. If she doesn't want help, that's up to her.

I just wish that some of this stuff was properly covered because I think there is legitimately weird as fuck things that Gabe has done.
On its own, marrying someone close to 10 years younger than you isn't a big deal but its when you factor in everything else it raises eyebrows.

Like Gabe getting into arguments in his c0mment section about how him (25) and Claire (16) aren't dating, but it'd be perfectly okay for them to do so! It's legal in Canada don't you know ;)
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Or their flirting on Twitter.
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And the most damning of it all is his DeviantArt posts where him and this 14 year old Chinese girl are planning on meeting up when he was 20.
From the looks of it, they had a romantic relationship where he stayed over at her place leaving some of his stuff.

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All of this is weird as fuck but needs to be looked into more to confirm some of the details.
 
lurker_fuck said:
I just wish that some of this stuff was properly covered because I think there is legitimately weird as fuck things that Gabe has done.
On its own, marrying someone close to 10 years younger than you isn't a big deal but its when you factor in everything else it raises eyebrows.
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Oh, I 100% agree. As another user stated, it's a "keep your hand on your gun, but until he does something truly actionable you can't shoot." I firmly believe Gabe has some... Concerning proclivities. But again, Claire seems legitimately happy and if Gabe doesn't do anything else... What can we do? It's a messed up situation, but for now... as my grand-dad always said - Not my chickens, not my farm.
 
Nat Figger said:
Idk if there’s a thread on blackgryph0n but lazybedhead(largest YouTuber who made a video on gryphon) has deleted her video on it
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I kind of want Bedhead to have a thread she seems very cowish. Mostly because it takes her 10 years to get to the point in any video and she dresses like a gender special.

I thought her video on Blackgryphon was fine. It comes to the conclusion of, "this is a weird, morally grey situation with no happy ending for anyone" instead of calling the guy some child rapist for over an hour. It tried to be objective which I'll take over KP's dogshit video.

I imagine she deleted it because of how KP and Bronyfandont fucked the whole subject matter up. Doesn't mean I feel bad though maybe ask what your friend's project is about before you read for them so you don't look like a jackass?
 
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Mr. Enter's video on this situation is coming out in a few days, so he released this document giving us what to expect. Most notably, he states "I was given permission to talk about exactly who the accuser was in the video proper, as well as their own controversies. Phineas, Lazy Bedhead, and I were able to get an interview on them talking about their side of their own controversies. As that interview is 3 and a half hours long, it will be uploaded separately".
 
I saw this guy's name come up in the same breath as Chris Chan, and I remembered "Oh yeah, that guy. I saw some of his videos talking about cartoons a long time ago. I wonder what kind of nonsense he gets into." I checked out the thread here and read every page over the course of the past couple weeks, and wow, what a ride! I'll admit that I couldn't quite keep up with all the ancillary characters, but the issues about the allegations against Saberspark and his response to them certainly drew me in.

Now I am neither a lawyer nor a public relations professional, but I am also not a moron[citation needed], and it seems to me that everyone involved in the story handled things extremely poorly. Everyone was entirely too eager to take to the internet to air their dirty laundry (literally, in the case of the chick who left her filthy underwear on the floor for all to see and the dude who allegedly jacked off on them).

I like to put myself in the shoes of others to imagine how I might react in their situations, and I found myself doing that as I read through this saga. I certainly wouldn't have done things the way that he and his accuser did.

If you're a victim of a crime: Don't brag about it online. Doing so only hurts your case. Go to the authorities -- even if it's been a long time. They are the only ones who can really do anything productive to help. The most that can happen from blabbing about it on the internet is that some randos will wag their fingers disapprovingly at the perpetrator without any real consequences.
If you've been falsely accused of a crime: Resist the urge to clear your name with a "Nuh-uh" video. It'll be doubted and picked apart by your critics. If you've been publicly slandered, consult your attorney on your legal standing and allow him to handle it while you stfu. It's amazing how quickly things resolve themselves when someone in the wrong receives a letter on law firm letterhead.

Getting all your weirdo pony-loving friends involved just muddies the waters and makes you look bad.

These people's lives are so online that they don't seem to recognize that there's a real world out there.
 
ASeabear8952 said:
Cope and Seethe’s video debunked all the claims made against Blackgryph0n by interviewing his wife, who said she wasn’t groomed at all. That’s probably why Lazy privated the video.
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I don't think he debunked all the claims. In the video he straight up says he doesn't know if Gabe is a groomer or not.
He might make a follow up video on BlackGryp0n but we'll see.
It was more so exposing the insane bronies who have been a logging Gabe and Claire for this long.

We know that C&S has been talking to Lazy behind the scenes so yeah that probably had something to do with it.
 
Fats McGee said:
Oh, I 100% agree. As another user stated, it's a "keep your hand on your gun, but until he does something truly actionable you can't shoot." I firmly believe Gabe has some... Concerning proclivities. But again, Claire seems legitimately happy and if Gabe doesn't do anything else... What can we do? It's a messed up situation, but for now... as my grand-dad always said - Not my chickens, not my farm.
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The only option is to leave her alone because the more people say it’s a problem the less likely she will snap out of it. Grooming victims will believe their abusers aren’t doing anything wrong and will always protect them. It’s not her fault for getting groomed but her actions do mirror Liz Gillies from victorious who met her future husband on set (she was 15 he was 36). He convinced Liz’s parents to have her privately stay at his house during production of victorious. Despite all this they conveniently said they started dating when she was 18. Michelle’s mom severely fucked up having Gabe (a grown ass man) move into their house for singing lessons. This entire situation gives me the ick and it doesn’t help the fandom involved was intended for little girls.
 
Girly Games Dot Com said:
The only option is to leave her alone because the more people say it’s a problem the less likely she will snap out of it. Grooming victims will believe their abusers aren’t doing anything wrong and will always protect them. It’s not her fault for getting groomed but her actions do mirror Liz Gillies from victorious who met her future husband on set (she was 15 he was 36). He convinced Liz’s parents to have her privately stay at his house during production of victorious. Despite all this they conveniently said they started dating when she was 18. Michelle’s mom severely fucked up having Gabe (a grown ass man) move into their house for singing lessons. This entire situation gives me the ick and it doesn’t help the fandom involved was intended for little girls.
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At this rate she will never snap out of it due to the backfire effect these morons keep causing.
The fact she went into the cope and seethe video defending the guy should be proof enough alone that they are causing her to latch onto him even more.

If she was groomed by him, then them trying to bully her at all just destroyed any chance of her waking up from the manipulation for at least a few years.

Now if she has those thoughts of being groomed, she will 100% believe they planted it, and it is just overthinking bullshit instead of questioning her reality.

This is why you don't play internet hero with serious situations like this especially bullying the victim in addition.

Abuse victims are in those situations due to extreme manipulation or fear.
They are surrounded by people like family who have normalized abuse in some form.
From the ground up, they already did not have a stable, normal life to develop the skills to recognize or fight back.

You are never going to "wake them up," by being abusive/talking down to them, how the fuck do people think they got here to begin with?

Grooming victims latch because the groomer knows they are emotionally vulnerable, and uses it against them by pretending to be the loving, stable person in thier life.
Why do these morons think they go after weak and vulnerable kids?

When you act like an asshole, you will reinforce that belief that this person is the only one who understands/cares about them.

If you aren't willing to have patience, and talk reasonably with them, you need to fuck off.
These people being a clout hungry whores trying to "be the one to free her," is only making the situation worse for everyone involved.
 
SpergPatrol said:
If she was groomed by him, then them trying to bully her at all just destroyed any chance of her waking up from the manipulation for at least a few years.
Now if she has those thoughts of being groomed, she will 100% believe they planted it, and it is just overthinking bullshit instead of questioning her reality.
This is why you don't play internet hero with serious situations like this especially bullying the victim in addition.
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Yup and who knows how long that’ll take. Claire also believes people who get groomed are “stupid” so yeah, that’s going to take a long time for sure. I’m not sure if Claire’s family is religious but those religious YouTube videos they’re in really make my skin crawl.
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C&S's video DEFINITELY didn't debunk all the claims. I remember in Lazy's video she mentioned Claire doxxed someone related to the whole situation. Too bad that video is private now so I can't get the timestamp however (note: Cope & Seethe did NOT mention this in his video at all).
 
nozomu said:
C&S's video DEFINITELY didn't debunk all the claims. I remember in Lazy's video she mentioned Claire doxxed someone related to the whole situation. Too bad that video is private now so I can't get the timestamp however (note: Cope & Seethe did NOT mention this in his video at all).
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You’re misremembering the claim. Claire accepted bonks doxx to presume legal action against him. She didn’t post his information or anything she just now knows where he lives so she could send a ceast and desist
 
ASeabear8952 said:
Mr. Enter’s video is finally out.

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Oh great. The guy who made a really sus comic/children's book where kids are the adults and the adults are all kids.
nozomu said:
C&S's video DEFINITELY didn't debunk all the claims. I remember in Lazy's video she mentioned Claire doxxed someone related to the whole situation. Too bad that video is private now so I can't get the timestamp however (note: Cope & Seethe did NOT mention this in his video at all).
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I'm reminded of women who are with abusive husbands. Part of you just wonders why they don't leave. Part of you is wondering if you should go kick the husband's ass. That shit usually makes it all worse.
 
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