Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

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Avatar: Best animated series or best animated series ever?

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SteelPlatedHeart said:
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This really misses the point of the character. Toph has openly rejected gender roles and femininity that her family has put her in. While she did open up to it and enjoyed it on her own terms, she still rejected it in the end since she felt it wasn't her. Making her feminine from the beginning would even undermine that moment and her own arc. But if its her becoming more feminine after the tale of ba sing se, I mean it could theoretically be an interesting direction since if its an adaptation, you're free to have some creative liberties. However, given how the creative team behind the live action team handled the other chaacters it wouldn't work.

- Making Bumi into this hardened soldier who acts like a massive prick towards Aang.

- Aang already trying to act more responsible from the beginning.

- Sokka just being a good guy with no flaws of sexism which really takes away his own development.

- Azula being belittled by Ozai while Ozai is setup to have Azula's arc and Zuko kind of rushing his own development.

I feel these traits being sanded away especially Sokka and Toph's are the most insulting. Trying to act like sexist behavior doesn't exist would just make the issue of sexism worse, especially if your show is also meant for younger audiences, maybe seeing a character grow from that mindset would be good. Same with Toph as her defying of gender roles is important because gender roles shouldn't really define the type of person you are. Having her be feminine from the onset (assuming its her enjoying that on her own) is pretty insulting to people who don't fit into gendered stereotypes while saying it would "humanize" her more by being that way only adds to how insulting that is.

Can't wait for Season 3 to have Aang kill Ozai or have Azula redeem herself (like redemption could work for her, but not in the same way Zuko's does where they defy their father while he's at the peak of his power.)

Anonitolia said:
is this series just becoming gen z harry potter
  • kid's books/shows of wildly varying quality that go on to have live-action movies based on the source material a few years after debuting
  • godawful dogshit sequels that the fanbase likes to forget
  • four color-themed factions with different strengths and weaknesses that all bounce off each other well, with one being the explicit "evil" faction and another being the explicit "protagonist" faction
  • beaten to death with an enormous expanded universe franchise that is mostly dogshit and doesn't elevate the original material at all, often outright misinterpreting or twisting it for political gain or the authors' whims
  • authors who were already questionable when they began and have only gotten worse with time, as well as smug and very political outside of their work and sometimes within it
  • criticism of it is VERBOTEN unless the author says something the fans disagree with
  • endless shipping wars over the main characters spill out into the series and influence the finale
  • "protagonist guy," "smart girl with vague attitude," "silly guy" trio saving the world from one bad guy whose plan hinges heavily on magic
  • villainous antihero turns good in the last quarter of the story, becomes fan-favorite
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To be fair some of these points are just pretty common tropes especially the last two points.

Hell Harry Potter massively differs from Avatar in that the live action adaptations of it were actually good as the movies cultivated their own fanbase and there's a lot more people who watched the movies that never read the books.

Though I guess we'll see if the similarities emerge with that Harry Potter series.
 
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Anonitolia said:
is this series just becoming gen z harry potter
  • kid's books/shows of wildly varying quality that go on to have live-action movies based on the source material a few years after debuting
  • godawful dogshit sequels that the fanbase likes to forget
  • four color-themed factions with different strengths and weaknesses that all bounce off each other well, with one being the explicit "evil" faction and another being the explicit "protagonist" faction
  • beaten to death with an enormous expanded universe franchise that is mostly dogshit and doesn't elevate the original material at all, often outright misinterpreting or twisting it for political gain or the authors' whims
  • authors who were already questionable when they began and have only gotten worse with time, as well as smug and very political outside of their work and sometimes within it
  • criticism of it is VERBOTEN unless the author says something the fans disagree with
  • endless shipping wars over the main characters spill out into the series and influence the finale
  • "protagonist guy," "smart girl with vague attitude," "silly guy" trio saving the world from one bad guy whose plan hinges heavily on magic
  • villainous antihero turns good in the last quarter of the story, becomes fan-favorite
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Yeah a lot of those are either tried and true tropes, or apply to every media that came out post 2000.
 
Neet Tokusatsu said:
I've heard Netflix always produces two seasons of whatever slop they have in advaqnce in order to give the impression their shows are always a success, so they can announce a second season as soon as season one ends. I bet it's the same with this adaptation, i wouldn't be surprised if this thing doesn't get a third season, because i refuse to believe that many people are watching this shit.
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If I recall correctly they did approve seasons two and three on the eve of the live-action shows debut. I am not shocked considering there was already a lot of negative hype surrounding the show before it even arrived. From what what was reported, it seemed like the show did debut to high ratings but it quickly dropped. It seems like once people received confirmation that the new show wasn't going to be good they decided to cut their loses and move on without even watching the rest of the first season.
- Making Bumi into this hardened soldier who acts like a massive prick towards Aang.
- Aang already trying to act more responsible from the beginning.
- Sokka just being a good guy with no flaws of sexism which really takes away his own development.
- Azula being belittled by Ozai while Ozai is setup to have Azula's arc and Zuko kind of rushing his own development.
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They literally got no one's character right. Suki became a female incel, Roku was made out to be a joke so they could set up Kyoshi to be the real Avatar mentor to Aang. Katara was removed of any character flaw and it came off like they are going to make Hakoda to be an actual bad dad.

They completely missed what made the characters so endearing in the original series
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
This really misses the point of the character. Toph has openly rejected gender roles and femininity that her family has put her in. While she did open up to it and enjoyed it on her own terms, she still rejected it in the end since she felt it wasn't her. Making her feminine from the beginning would even undermine that moment and her own arc. But if its her becoming more feminine after the tale of ba sing se, I mean it could theoretically be an interesting direction since if its an adaptation, you're free to have some creative liberties.
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I always viewed toph acting the way she does as an act of rebellion against her parents for helicoptering her so much. Post Ba Sing Se after she finally got a chance to chill out a bit and act feminine it made sense to me that after the war ended she would eventually melow out, especially since he was at least positive to the idea of reconcilling with her parents meaning it was possible she would also give up her perpetual rebellion.

I didn't like her in korra because she essentially suffers from perpetual arrested development, having stayed the same for the past 70 years.

I'm not really not a fan of "grown up version of kid character is just exact same kid in adult body" because its lame and doesn't tell you anything about the character. Its funny as a kid, but when you look back on it as an adult its a bit of a sad fate.
 
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SteelPlatedHeart said:
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Remember how the whole reason Aang managed to learn earthbending was because Toph helped him become more aggressive by intentionally pushing his buttons?
Rome's rightful successor said:
January release date doesn't give me any confidence.
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January is like the River Styx of movie releases. You might as well say you have absolutely no confidence in it succeeding.
Doctor of Autism said:
Hell Harry Potter massively differs from Avatar in that the live action adaptations of it were actually good as the movies cultivated their own fanbase and there's a lot more people who watched the movies that never read the books.

Though I guess we'll see if the similarities emerge with that Harry Potter series.
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I guess it depends if the creators get involved in political discussions in the future.
 
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They keep doubling down on this.
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Rome's rightful successor said:
They keep doubling down on this.
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Except the majority of the fans don't give an iota of a fuck if the voice actors races match the characters. No one can top Toph's and Sokka's voice actors and the fact they aren't coming back is a supreme let down to the fan base because the producers and creators want brownie points with people who don't even like the show.
 
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Personally, I find that this reads as too deliberate. Everything reads like they could see what the fans would like and did the opposite. Remember that scene in Spiderverse where Miles Morales gets an F on a True or False quiz only to be told that it is impossible to do so without knowing the answers? It reads like this exactly! Someone is being a contrarian here and is trying to either "fix the art" or "own the chuds". Or outright writing fanfiction based on the source material.
 
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They keep doubling down on this.
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So they want to go out and find an actual Tibetan monk man, two Inuit siblings, a blind Asian girl and a Japanese man to play characters who sound heavily Americanized, with no accents instead of just using the old cast who can play the aged up cast anyways. They really want this to fail don't they?
 

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Ethnic characters with relatable white character and voice acting was the thin end of the wedge, enjoy niggers stalker
 
so advanced bending from both series.

Air: learn to fly.

Water: blood bending.

Fire: shoot electricity.

Earth: metal bend, lava bend.

Azula would arguably have had another advanced fire bending technique with the blue flames burn hotter than regular flames bending but that wouldn't have sat well with Ozai being the main antagonist in fire bending for the 1st series with Aang. Disappointed with no advanced air bending used for combat, like they could have made a remove oxygen from the air effecting a certain area as advanced air bending.
 
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