Avatar: The Last Airbender / The Legend of Korra

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Can we stop the Aaron Ehasz dicksucking already?

His claim to fame is the original ATLA series and, surprisingly, a few Futurama episodes he wrote back in the 2000's and besides that he hasn't written ANYTHING good in a fucking decade. The Dragon prince is all he is worked on and its a fucking dumpster fire of garbage writing.

Yeah, people forget that Aaron Ehasz was merely one of a MULTITUDE of talented creators that worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender, many of whom didn't come back for Korra either. Additionally that show's problems were down to the way it was planned, merely having more talented writers wouldn't fix it, you'd need to restructure the whole thing from the ground up to make it good. Plus not all of his ideas were gold. He wanted Zuko and Katara to be a thing for example (and I'm not even a fan of Aang and Katara, I always thought Aang should have been by himself).

Also, Ehasz is on record saying that he generally liked Legend of Korra so there's that.

Nah, Zuko was still very much Ozai's son. They confirmed that at the end of the comic. Ursa basically said, "lol I just lied about him being that other guy's son to see if you were reading my mail."

Having browsed through the story, it's fairly obvious that they totally intended Ursa to have cucked Ozai but backed down when the fandom exploded in rage after the release of part 2 because it cheapened the story of the show (one of the things I appreciated about Zuko's family drama in it is that it was implied that Ozai and Ursa were genuinely a loving couple and family at one point and Ozai gradually became an asshole over time. It added a surprising amount of depth even if it never amounted to anything plot-wise). It's the only way the whole retarded logic of "I was only pretending to piss off my psychotic royal husband and hope that he lets me explain instead of just having me and my son killed outright with a word" makes even the slightest bit of sense if you assume that it was a hastily scribbled-together justification to get out of the hole they wrote themselves into.

 

[cactus]

Having browsed through the story, it's fairly obvious that they totally intended Ursa to have cucked Ozai but backed down when the fandom exploded in rage after the release of part 2 because it cheapened the story of the show (one of the things I appreciated about Zuko's family drama in it is that it was implied that Ozai and Ursa were genuinely a loving couple and family at one point and Ozai gradually became an asshole over time. It added a surprising amount of depth even if it never amounted to anything plot-wise). It's the only way the whole retarded logic of "I was only pretending to piss off my psychotic royal husband and hope that he lets me explain instead of just having me and my son killed outright with a word" makes even the slightest bit of sense if you assume that it was a hastily scribbled-together justification to get out of the hole they wrote themselves into.

This is why I don't consider the comics canon, all the bad writing. In the show, it's easy to see when the mere thought of power starts corrupting Ozai. It feels like the comic writer missed the subtler details or didn't even watch the show.

 

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

This is why I don't consider the comics canon, all the bad writing. In the show, it's easy to see when the mere thought of power starts corrupting Ozai. It feels like the comic writer missed the subtler details or didn't even watch the show.

Do you consider the books (the Kyoshi and Yangchen books) canon? I haven't read them but I immediately noped out when I read the summary that included something like, "and Kyoshi struggles with her bisexuality!"

(one of the things I appreciated about Zuko's family drama in it is that it was implied that Ozai and Ursa were genuinely a loving couple and family at one point and Ozai gradually became an asshole over time. It added a surprising amount of depth even if it never amounted to anything plot-wise).

Like I said above, I hated the retconning of Ursa and Ozai. I liked imagining what kind of circumstances led to them getting together, etc. Not that I didn't consider an arranged marriage, of course, but not the way the fucking comics did it.

 

[cactus]

Do you consider the books (the Kyoshi and Yangchen books) canon? I haven't read them but I immediately noped out when I read the summary that included something like, "and Kyoshi struggles with her bisexuality!"

Aw, you haven't seen my previous posts in this thread. Absolutely not, if it's not AtLA, it's not canon. I hate that they made Kiyoshi attracted to women because it just makes the Kiyoshi Warriors look like a harem she set up and I don't buy Mai breaking up with Zuko or Zuko imprisoning all the nobles and generals, etc since they were just doing what they were ordered to. If I ever start missing AtLA, I go rewatch it. I have never had the urge to rewatch LoK. At least the comics have good art, I like Gurihiru's style.

 

[Mary Lee Harvey osWalsh]

Absolutely not, if it's not AtLA, it's not canon.

Maybe they can all be canon to the Netflix adaptation. Or the Shamalyan movie.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah, people forget that Aaron Ehasz was merely one of a MULTITUDE of talented creators that worked on Avatar: The Last Airbender, many of whom didn't come back for Korra either. Additionally that show's problems were down to the way it was planned, merely having more talented writers wouldn't fix it, you'd need to restructure the whole thing from the ground up to make it good. Plus not all of his ideas were gold. He wanted Zuko and Katara to be a thing for example (and I'm not even a fan of Aang and Katara, I always thought Aang should have been by himself).

It's an interesting subject what made western animation die a violent death way more than virtually every other media. Even some woke vidja and films are watchable, but seemingly every western animation creator got woke mind virus in a terminal degree while also forgetting how to draw anything that isn't anime-lite.

 

[Incecticyder]

It's an interesting subject what made western animation die a violent death way more than virtually every other media. Even some woke vidja and films are watchable, but seemingly every western animation creator got woke mind virus in a terminal degree while also forgetting how to draw anything that isn't anime-lite.

I am fine with anime-lite, I hate when everyone drew CalArts Beanmouth. Everything felt as if from the same show.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I am fine with anime-lite, I hate when everyone drew CalArts Beanmouth. Everything felt as if from the same show.

I dunno, anime lite is the uncanny valley of animation

 

[Incecticyder]

I dunno, anime lite is the uncanny valley of animation

Depends. Teen Titans and Avatar look good, others can look awful.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Depends. Teen Titans and Avatar look good, others can look awful.

Those two proto anime lite, they still retained the western identity.

 

[Incecticyder]

Those two proto anime lite, they still retained the western identity.

Distinction without a difference.

 

[thyme]

So what Im picking up is that they were really trying to say, by Ursa writing those letters lying about the paternity knowing Ozai would read them, that she was betting it all on 1. Ozai hating Zuko BUT not to the point of killing him- even keeping their promise- and 2. Zuko managing stay a good child/turn good again instead of staying the way he was at the beginning of the series, all while 3. she will no longer be there to guide or protect either child. When Ozai decides to try and honor kill Zuko, part of his resentment of course stems from the paternity question that Ursa introduced- which results in her being forced to abandon her children to save their lives, but hey everything turned out fine, and Azula was always a brat anyway who cares. Like she's a 4D chess master 10 steps ahead, that there wasnt any risk of Zuko either dying or being full evil without her, and that Azula was absolutely irredeemable.
Essentially it implies Ursa was the most strategizing and calculating royal in the show beyond perhaps even King Bumi, a wise experienced royal over 100 years old- through her machinations was the Fire Nation able to entirely change their regime to align with human rights, after a century of maintaining a genocidal monarchy

 

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[Prophetic Spirit]

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Anybody actually see this shit more than normies?

 

[invisibult plus+]

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Don’t you just love it when adapters miss the point of things they’re adapting?

 

[Rockzo]

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I bet she didn't watch ATLA. And that's such a bad interpretation of Toph, so I wonder what she does with the character. Is she going to be like Asami but with earthbending? Useless and quiet in the party till the plot requires it?

Also that movie coming for a title:

 

[Anonitolia]

is this series just becoming gen z harry potter

• kid's books/shows of wildly varying quality that go on to have live-action movies based on the source material a few years after debuting
• godawful dogshit sequels that the fanbase likes to forget
• four color-themed factions with different strengths and weaknesses that all bounce off each other well, with one being the explicit "evil" faction and another being the explicit "protagonist" faction
• beaten to death with an enormous expanded universe franchise that is mostly dogshit and doesn't elevate the original material at all, often outright misinterpreting or twisting it for political gain or the authors' whims
• authors who were already questionable when they began and have only gotten worse with time, as well as smug and very political outside of their work and sometimes within it
• criticism of it is VERBOTEN unless the author says something the fans disagree with
• endless shipping wars over the main characters spill out into the series and influence the finale
• "protagonist guy," "smart girl with vague attitude," "silly guy" trio saving the world from one bad guy whose plan hinges heavily on magic
• villainous antihero turns good in the last quarter of the story, becomes fan-favorite

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

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Because we can't 'humanize' an animated character I guess.

I bet she didn't watch ATLA. And that's such a bad interpretation of Toph, so I wonder what she does with the character. Is she going to be like Asami but with earthbending? Useless and quiet in the party till the plot requires it?

Also that movie coming for a title:
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January release date doesn't give me any confidence.

 

[cactus]

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Fuck you, you stupid cunt. We already have three feminine girls (yes, Azula counts)

 

[Neet Tokusatsu]

Anybody actually see this shit more than normies?

I've heard Netflix always produces two seasons of whatever slop they have in advaqnce in order to give the impression their shows are always a success, so they can announce a second season as soon as season one ends. I bet it's the same with this adaptation, i wouldn't be surprised if this thing doesn't get a third season, because i refuse to believe that many people are watching this shit.