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[NoCockatrice]

Trannies are quintessential lolcows: often dysgenic, autistic, ugly, sexually deviant, and drama addicts (often substance abusers too). They fail at relationships (romantic, familial, friends), have cringe "artistic" endeavors, and fail upwards or crash their careers. They've always belonged in the lolcow threads to me.

I think you're confusing the cause with the effect.

The implied people are dysgenic, autistic, ugly, sexually deviant, and drama addicts (which are their main problems) and that's why they want to appropriate the medical label ('cause free attention and all that).

It's not the trannery that is bad, it's the bad that craves the trannery, if you will.

New term for phalloplasty just dropped

New?

You basically need someone who has Jordan Peterson's

This man was literally put in a coma to supress his drug addiction. Also, he says the most boring, obvious shit ever. Idk, wouldn't trust him as a mental health professional. "Doesn't like troons" isn't a good enough criteria when it comes to doctors.

But besides that, that'll be cool to find a right-leaning psychiatrist. Does anybody know one who does online sessions? (asking for a friend)

>Implying I have loved ones

I think that's your main problem. Try to solve this one and things will get a lot easier.

 

[Paper Machete]

It's not the trannery that is bad, it's the bad that craves the trannery, if you will.

I mean. Same difference. You only trans out if you're a major fuck up in any variety of ways.

Trans isn't a medical issue anyone can appropriate though...because it isn't a medical issue at all. It's a retarded fetish that ropes in some gullible tistics and desperates.

 

[NoCockatrice]

I mean. Same difference. You only trans out if you're a major fuck up in any variety of ways.

Trans isn't a medical issue anyone can appropriate though...because it isn't a medical issue at all. It's a retarded fetish that ropes in some gullible tistics and desperates.

Can't agree with that. How come people with an actual diagnosis have brain patterns of an opposite biological sex and/or hormonal abnormalities? I mean, I guess it technically fits the definition of "You only trans out if you're a major fuck up in any variety of ways".

It's a retarded fetish that ropes in some gullible tistics and desperates

If that were the case there wouldn't be transsexuals who live a quite family life. Which there are. But you don't hear of them, because they're not chronically online attention whores. You don't hear about "normal" people on the internet. Because they don't reveal much info, for they aren't idiots or/and attention whores.

Lots of people are gonna find this retarded, but ignoring the fact decent genuine transsexuals exist is also somewhat delusional. Like it's just life, it happens. And you sure can dislike them or find them gross - up to you. But saying "all tran is same" is either straight up lying or completely misunderstanding where all this different people come from in the first place (which means you don't understand people's motivations well, which sucks).

 

[Sandshrew]

If that were the case there wouldn't be transsexuals who live a quite family life. Which there are. But you don't hear of them, because they're not chronically online attention whores. You don't hear about "normal" people on the internet. Because they don't reveal much info, for they aren't idiots or/and attention whores.

Anyone who needs to mutilate their body is mentally ill, regardless of how chronically online they are. More tolerable trannies exist, yes, but that doesn't mean transgenderism is something that should be accepted. Going to powerlevel a bit, but I am a woman that has had gender dysphoria for years of my life, and there were A LOT of underlying factors for it. Once I started fixing my mental health in general, I no longer gave a fuck about tranny bullshit. There is a cure for gender dysphoria other than mutilating your genitals. Medical transition is self-harm. We should treat gender dysphorics the same way we treat any other kind of body dysmorphia, like we don't start removing the ribcages of anorexics.

I genuinely don't care if someone's a masculine butch woman or a fruity effeminate gay man. That's fine, I have no issue with people expressing androgynously. The difference is when they start mutilating their bodies and encouraging children to do the same, as well as trying to abolish women's-only spaces. That's fucked up.

Edit: Also, brain sex is a myth that has been debunked several times. Woman Brains and Man Brains don't exist. Do you think transcavewomen were putting on press-on nails in caves? Do you think there's a Woman Gene for liking the color pink and a Man Gene for liking the color blue? And hormone imbalances are EXTREMELY COMMON, like PCOS is a very common disorder, but that doesn't mean a woman needs to attach a rotting flesh cylinder to her crotch.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Anyone who needs to mutilate their body is mentally ill

Oh, really? What about cigarettes or alcohol? Everyone is so against selfharm, but nobody gives a shit about those. Stop acting like people weren't doing shit that's bad for them for centuries. There are different kinds of "mentally ill" and different reasons for "mentally ill". And it makes sense to treat them differently. A person with ADHD isn't treated the way a person with tics is, just like a patient with flu isn't treated the same way a cancer patient is.

Also, what about tattoos? Or plastic surgeries? Or even make up in some sense? Some people don't like themselves and these kind of people will always be there. And if there's a way for them to change - it's up to them.

that doesn't mean transgenderism is something that should be accepted

What exactly do you mean by "accepted"?

We should treat gender dysphorics the same way we treat any other kind of body dysmorphia

I'm not sure you want to die on that hill, because they do cut the limbs of patients with severe body dysmorphia.

I have no issue with people expressing androgynously

People express themselves in a certain way for a reason. For example, feminine gay men wear feminine clothes, because they want to attract men and have sex with them, while taking a female role in bed as a bottom. So, by saying "I'm okay with people expressing themselves in a certain way" you also have to be okay with the reasons that make them do that. And if that's the case, why is the reason being "this person's brain pattern is similar to the one of an opposite biological sex" is where you cross the line? (I don't think it's bad: people create random inner lines all the time, I'm just curious).

and encouraging children to do the same

Being trans doesn't mean doing that. In fact, a lot of "trans parents" are single straight biological white women, who's empty head randomly received an idea that their son is now a girl.

Be honest. You don't give a fuck about other people hurting themselves (and you don't have to, and it's normal). You just saw a lot of disgusting pervy fakers online and are grossed out by them. Which we all are. Which is understandable. But it's not normal trans' fault and neither their responsibility.

 

[Sandshrew]

Oh, really? What about cigarettes or alcohol? Everyone is so against selfharm, but nobody gives a shit about those. Stop acting like people weren't doing shit that's bad for them for centuries. There are different kinds of "mentally ill" and different reasons for "mentally ill". And it makes sense to treat them differently. A person with ADHD isn't treated the way a person with tics is, just like a patient with flu isn't treated the same way a cancer patient is.

Also, what about tattoos? Or plastic surgeries? Or even make up in some sense? Some people don't like themselves and these kind of people will always be there. And if there's a way for them to change - it's up to them.

I don't support smoking either. Alcohol is fine in moderation. I don't like plastic surgery either, and less women would get it if not for the pressure from social media. I think plastic surgery should only be used for people that are severely physically disfigured from a condition or accident.

What exactly do you mean by "accepted"?

Medical transition should be outlawed. Genital sex changes are fucking horrific. Have you seen the thread of hundreds of result pictures? Do you think the HIGH LIKELIHOOD your crotch will rot off is worth the hypothetical "very few good results" you imagine?

People express themselves in a certain way for a reason. For example, feminine gay men wear feminine clothes, because they want to attract men and have sex with them, while taking a female role in bed as a bottom. So, by saying "I'm okay with people expressing themselves in a certain way" you also have to be okay with the reasons that make them do that. And if that's the case, why is the reason being "this person's brain pattern is similar to the one of an opposite biological sex" is where you cross the line? (I don't think it's bad: people create random inner lines all the time, I'm just curious).

Brain sex is NOT REAL. It has been debunked.
The brain is also neuroplastic and society/culture/experiences plays a huge part in how we view males/females. I've noticed in my own experience that men raised around primarily women tend to act more culturally "feminine", in terms of having higher empathy and other female socialized traits. But that doesn't mean that they should chop their dick off?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20538246/

https://neurosciencenews.com/male-female-brain-debunked-18276/

Meet the neuroscientist shattering the myth of the gendered brain

Why asking whether your brain is male or female is the wrong question

www.theguardian.com

Being trans doesn't mean doing that. In fact, a lot of "trans parents" are single straight biological white women, who's empty head randomly received an idea that their son is now a girl.

Be honest. You don't give a fuck about other people hurting themselves (and you don't have to, and it's normal). You just saw a lot of disgusting pervy fakers online and are grossed out by them. Which we all are. Which is understandable. But it's not normal trans' fault and neither their responsibility.

Are you a tranny and/or fucking a tranny?

Edit: Ok yeah, that explains it. Sorry to hear that you're a self-hating lesbian.
Hope you enjoy the effects of HRT: early balding, getting fat, and increased likelihood of osteoperosis.
You could have been a butch lesbian and saved yourself all the medical issues and dating life failures.
I'm a regular butch lesbian, and I'm glad I have a strap-on and not a rotdog.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Also, brain sex is a myth that has been debunked several times. Woman Brains and Man Brains don't exist.

Very scientific. Roll the fucking credits. You can literally tell if someone is male or female by the way they type and things they say.

Brain always matters. Brain is the most important thing in one's body. Everything you do is related to your brain and it's capabilities. If you don't believe that - you're coping real hard (and probably are ultra left, which are the same things). You don't know shit about science, stop pretending you do.

I don't support smoking either. Alcohol is fine in moderation.

What about outlawing them? Well it actually happened once, and it made everything much worse by creating a black market. Do you know what started to happen when Russia banned the sex surgeries? Take a wild guess.

Also alcohol isn't fine in moderation. You're just a hypocrite. It's much worse than tobacco, actually. Not only does it affect you, but your children as well. It destroys your brain, ruins your sperm/eggs, your skin, your heart, but worst of all - it's addicting. And it's gonna sound insane, but all things considered, a person who cuts their dick once isn't as hurt as the one who continuously drinks.

Have you seen the thread of hundreds of result pictures?

Have you ever seen how boob/nose surgeries look right after they're done? Surgeries are fucking brutal. If outlaw some, why not all of them?

society/culture/experiences plays a huge part in how we view males/females.

Oh my fucking god. "Society bad, whaa, whaa". So people who are brought up in the wild act genderless? So hormones (that are connected to your brain) don't matter? How are you any different from parents who raise their kids "non-binary" and won't let them play with "gendered" toys? That's just bullshit. There are male and female behavioural patterns, produced by millions of years of evolution. And they are connected to one's brain.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20538246/ https://neurosciencenews.com/male-female-brain-debunked-18276/

I've been sent this article many times, and I've debunked it many times.

1. The title implies that it's wrong to call one's brain male/female, but the actual statement in the article is "Whatever its sex, this baby’s future is predetermined by the entrenched belief that males and females do all kinds of things differently, better or worse, because they have different brains". I didn't say "all kind of thing", I've said there are different behavioural patterns, related to one's brain. This is the substitution of concepts. The article doesn't disprove my point. It doesn't disprove anything. It's just a bunch of "whaa, sexism, whaa, society". By the way, the fact that men and women are different doesn't make one better than the other. And there are no scans, no photos, no nothing in said article. It also says that "brain is being moulded", but it doesn't debunk the fact there are male/female patterns as well.

But that doesn't mean that they should chop their dick off?

No. What makes you "cut your dick off" is a serious neurobiological condition. Not just "being soft". These are different thigs.

And hormone imbalances are EXTREMELY COMMON

I agree here. But that's what the doctors are for. To determine one thing from the other.

Do you think transcavewomen were putting on press-on nails in caves?

No, but they had a female behavioural patterns and probably female-like hormone distribution.

Sorry to hear that you're a self-hating

You're not sorry for me, don't pretend you are. Why call me "self-hating" though? You think butch lesbians don't hate some parts of themselves or/and don't envy men sometimes? You think femboy men don't envy women in some ways? You think regular ass people don't hate themselves in some ways? Disliking something in you is normal to begin with. I hate the stigma that you should "love yourself 100%", people who "love themselves" are one of the most delusional people I've ever met. But that's not even important in case of trans people because, as I've said, their discomfort comes from a neurobiological fuck up in their heads. Well.. happens.

not a rotdog.

Never said I want to get one.

Medical transition should be outlawed. Genital sex changes are fucking horrific.

"Everything I don't like should be banned" is a position of a 5 year old. Your "ews" should not worth me my productive life.

 

[Sandshrew]

@NoCockatrice
You will never be a real man. You will always either be looked at as a butch lesbian, or if you do pass then as a slightly-off frog-voiced short manlet gay man.
Straight women will always prefer a real man who can protect them and procreate with them over you. They don't want an enlarged clit freakshow, they want an actual dick.
You think you're above Reddit trannies, but you're equally as delusional and mentally ill.
Continue glorifying your self-hatred self-harm lifestyle. No, I do not hate myself for being an androgynous woman, because I grew up and fixed my mental illness. Nor do the gay men I know hate themselves for being effeminate.
You do not sound as manly online as you believe you do, I could clock right away by how offended you are that you were a tranny. A real man doesn't care about KiwiFarms users validating him.
The founders of transgender ideology, like John Money, were pedophiles that were attracted to children. That's what your movement is.

 

[NoCockatrice]

You will never be a real man

Noone's perfect.

Straight women will always prefer a real man

That's true. I'm fine with this. Ain't that hard to find a girl.

but you're equally as delusional and mentally ill.

I am ill. That's my point.

Continue glorifying your self-hatred self-harm lifestyle

Never glorified it.

I could clock right away by how offended you are that you were a tranny

What do you mean? Offended by what exactly? I haven't even brought it up, you did. I know where I post, and I know the opinions of the locals. If I were a pussy I wouldn't be there.

A real man doesn't care about KiwiFarms users validating him.

Neither am I. I'm here to have conversations on the aforementioned heated topic, for it is, perhaps, the only site left to do so without immediately being called a nazi. You haven't replied to any point I've raised in my previous post, but sent a bunch of soyjacks. ok. I do love the pooner comics though, they're funny

 

[Sandshrew]

Transgenderism was founded by pedophiles.
Supporting transgenderism is the modern equivalent to supporting NAMBLA.

John Money was the pioneer in the "gender vs sex" trans theory, with him running experiments on two boys, the Reimer twins. He forced them to simulate sex acts on each other and one of them killed himself.

Founding WPATH, the trans org, members were friends of John Money and the NAMBLA founder. WPATH was also citing the Eunuch Forums, a castration fetish pedophile website, in their transgender healthcare documents.

Transgenderism is only pushed because of how big of a money maker it is: selling binders/packers/etc, synthetic hormones, and costly surgeries. It's as evil as the beauty industry convincing women they need more and more products. Transgenderism is peak consumerism, creating a customer for life. It's a feedback loop of being dysphoric over your natural body and craving more and more snake oil treatments to stay in your delusion.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Transgenderism was founded by pedophiles.

No, it wasn't. It's a condition that always was and will always be there. If it's "supported" (whatever that means) not only by decent people, but by bad people as well it doesn't mean it ain't real.

Speaking of pedophiles and their support, do you know how many of them supported gay people? You sure you wanna die on that hill?

John Money was the pioneer in the "gender vs sex"

And Adolf Hitler drank water. Doesn't make anyone who drank water a bad person. Also, I've never said I have a "gender vs sex" point of view. I have no fucking idea what this doctrine means.

Transgenderism is only pushed because of how big of a money maker it is

Yes, I agree 100% actually. Except, it's not only "transgenderism". Mental health cult, pills for toddlers with ADHD, antidepressants for 5 year olds - doesn't it all seem weird? Sadly it's just business. But for some reason people only notice it when the trans topic is brought up. I find it extremely hypocritical.

Here's my advice: if you wanna hate something - just hate it. To me, the statement "I hate trannies cuz they're gross" makes much more sense than the ones that contain some semi-scientific bullshit arguments.

 

[Sandshrew]

@NoCockatrice Clearly, we're both set in our beliefs, and neither of us will change our opinion on the legitimacy of being transgender.

So I have a new question for you, out of curiosity: Do you think that the gay community and the trans community should be the same community under "LGBT"?

Personally, I don't think so, since I feel as though being attracted to the same sex, and attempting to change your sex, are two different concepts that aren't really related to one another. And the two communities tend to have lots of infighting amongst each other.

One of my biggest problems with trannies is the fact that we as gays are "force-teamed" alongside them. When I attend an event for lesbians, I expect no one with a dick to be present, nor for any conversation to have to accommodate penises. Unfortunately, in Current Year, I avoid most lesbian groups like the plague, because they've been transformed into "All Inclusive Queer WLW spaces", where there's a lot of unwashed disgusting balding transbians and polyamorous they/thems with boyfriends trying to get thirds. Lesbians no longer have anywhere we can go, because our communities have been overtaken by literal men in dresses and their handmaidens.

There is also the misconception that all gay people want to be the opposite sex, when that is untrue. I know quite a few very feminine lesbians and very masculine gay men that you wouldn't even suspect were homosexual, until they told you. I also know that crossdressing is common amongst gay people, but the difference is that crossdressers are not getting surgeries or trying to live full-time as the opposite sex. People like to equate drag queens to transwomen, yet drag queens are just doing a performance. So, why are we grouped together?

 

[Bill's Due]

It's not the trannery that is bad, it's the bad that craves the trannery, if you will.

The trans ideology is bad, what the fuck are you on about. There is no cure to it for those who actually are "gender dysphoric". The current "treatment" for it is completely destructive to the human body and doing nothing about someone being "gender dysphoric" is more effective than letting them mutilate their bodies.

Just like being gay, it's your brain and body deviating from the norm. Does this mean you should be treated like you have fewer rights? Not really, but am I terribly sympathetic to their plights when it is suppressed in more stable societies? No, because the acceptance of that debauchery is why we are where we are.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

This man was literally put in a coma to supress his drug addiction. Also, he says the most boring, obvious shit ever.

Yes, Jordan Peterson says milquetoast, anodyne things and the entire left establishment hates him for it and think he is dangerous.

I would rather have Jordan Peterson as my therapist than somebody who believes the mindless destructive doctrine of trans ideology, which is the majority of psychologists.

 

[NoCockatrice]

Clearly, we're both set in our beliefs, and neither of us will change our opinion on the legitimacy of being transgender.

Fair enough, not a bad thing.

Do you think that the gay community and the trans community should be the same community under "LGBT"?

No, not necessarily. I consider myself a straight person (a guy who's into girls), so why should I be in the gay space? Personally, I don't want to be in any group based solely on who and how I fuck at all. Aside from that I have nothing in common with people in said groups, they're often ultra-left. I don't see the necessity of LGB and T being together, I think initially people just grouped by the "I fuck in a weird way" factor, but it doesn't have to be this way now.

Being gay is about preference, being trans is about an illness (which doesn't make one a bad person, but is different in nature from being gay). Personally, I think both of these things are somehow transmitted genetically, but I've also heard trans stuff happens because of the incorrect hormonal distribution in the womb. Not sure.

When I attend an event for lesbians, I expect no one with a dick to be present

Do you live in a left-wing state (like California etc.)? The way I always saw it is stuff like that doesn't really happen in red counties. Just curious if it's so.

The people who are invading lesbian spaces aren't actually trans. 99% of them are desperate incels and/or AGPs. My point is, that the medical gate keeping for being trans should be harsher, to avoid these kinds of situations. Also, is it legal in the US to make like a "biological women only" convention, or does it fall under the discrimination act? If it does, then, technically speaking, you don't even have to pretend you're a woman to not get kicked out. Which means, even if "all trans are gone", the problem you described won't go away entirely.

But I do understand your annoyance. Besides, anyone who says you should have sex with them or else you're a bigot is a potential rapist.

The trans ideology is bad

Define "trans ideology". I have no idea what it means or what you think it means. All I'm saying is: I think it's hypocritical and pointless to take the rights of adult people to get operations they want for their bodies.

There is no cure to it for those who actually are "gender dysphoric".

Yeah, I'd say you're right. There are a lot of conditions doctors have no idea how to cure entirely in general. But what am I to do with that fact? Not my fault. I feel bad - I see a way to fix it - I do it. Simple as that.

The current "treatment" for it is completely destructive to the human body and doing nothing about someone being "gender dysphoric"

If you are actually trans, it helps. Right now it's the only way to get better if you actually have said condition. The problem is the lack of professional medical control. They hand out diagnoses to anyone now, that needs to be fixed.

completely destructive to the human body

I raised that point before, but I'll say it again: what about cigarettes and alcohol? You're not against these, are you? Be real, you're don't care about a random person hurting themselves (and you shouldn't care: they have their lives, you have yours).

the acceptance of that debauchery is why we are where we are.

Trans people (both true and fake ones combined) are less then 1% of the entire population of Europe. I highly doubt an amount of people that small is responsible for anything important at all.

I don't know what exactly you mean by "where we are", but I can say that the left dominating the media sphere happened because of the communistic outbreak after the WW2 (I can elaborate, but it's probably going to be a long post).

mindless destructive doctrine of trans ideology

What exactly do you mean by that?
(Personally, I want to find an at least right-leaning psychiatrist, who wouldn't automatically say I'm trans as soon as I walk in the room)

 

[Izdaja Slika]

mindless destructive doctrine of trans ideology

What exactly do you mean by that?
(Personally, I want to find an at least right-leaning psychiatrist, who wouldn't automatically say I'm trans as soon as I walk in the room)

If a client went to a psychologist and said 'I feel like my right arm does not belong to me. It makes me anxious and depressed thinking about it, using it, seeing it, cleaning it. I want to cut it off. It's the only way I'll have any peace'.

The psychologist would correctly identify this as body integrity dysphoria, and would correctly begin psychological treatment that would reduce the thoughts of dysphoria, and might also refer to a psychiatrist for drug treatment that would also reduce the thoughts of dysphoria.

But, do you know what a psychologist would not do? She would not say 'you are correct that you were born in the wrong body and that your right arm is alien. I will refer you to an endocrinologist who will prescribe injections to whither your right arm so it becomes useless, and I will also write a letter to a surgeon so he can chop off your right arm'.

She would also not say 'tell people in your life that you wish them to see you as one-handed. If they try to hand something to you to your right hand, correct them gently and say you don't have a right hand. If somebody repeatedly mislimbs you, you may need to cut them out of your life'.

I don't want to belabour the point but all the things that would happen for body integrity dysphoria would not be called 'conversion therapy', and anyone who treated BID as if it reflected something true about the patient (that the arm really didn't belong to him and it was impossible to treat him without cutting off his arm) would be rightfully struck off the register and sent to jail.

But if the body part was a dick, all that goes out the window.

I am a psychologist by education and all I can say is: the entire field is now hopelessly corrupted by trans madness. These people are not dumb. They are just hopelessly logically and morally compromised. And that's okay for them when they also have all the institutional power. Which they do.

That's what I mean.

 

[NoCockatrice]

The psychologist would correctly identify this as body integrity dysphoria, and would correctly begin psychological treatment that would reduce the thoughts of dysphoria

But if it doesn't help, they do cut the limbs. And, as insane as it sounds, the patients do get better after that.

She would not say 'you are correct that you were born in the wrong body and that your right arm is alien

Personally, I'm not asking for that. Passing trans people are received as the opposite biological sex by society. But if someone's misgendered it's not the end of the world, as the left treats it. Friends receive me as male, strangers receive me as male I don't need to forcefully ask people for it. I am pro freedom of speech. Personally, I am polite even to non-passing trans people if I consider them true-trans, but I'm against the idea other people should be forced to do the same.

who will prescribe injections to whither your right arm so it becomes useless

The are a lot of pills they prescribe in general that fuck up your body. And you don't have to be trans for that. A huge amount of neuroleptics/antidepressants fry your brain up and/or make your dick useless. But, again, people are only concerned by it when it comes to trans stuff. There are a lot of conditions that make you rely on harmful pills for the rest of your life (because there is no better option). Don't act as if it's only trans stuff.

the entire field is now hopelessly corrupted by trans madness

It's not the trans madness, it's the left madness, that leads to what you describe as "trans madness". Thanks a lot to commies who took over the media. Inconvenient, but that's the world we live in now. Could've been worse.

 

[Izdaja Slika]

The psychologist would correctly identify this as body integrity dysphoria, and would correctly begin psychological treatment that would reduce the thoughts of dysphoria

But if it doesn't help, they do cut the limbs. And, as insane as it sounds, the patients do get better after that.

They do fucking not. Show your evidence.

She would not say 'you are correct that you were born in the wrong body and that your right arm is alien

Personally, I'm not asking for that. Passing trans people are received as the opposite biological sex by society.

Not by me. And perhaps they are 'received' that way by the force of law as well as the implicit threat of being assaulted by trans women.

(Nobody, of course, is threatened by being assaulted by trans men, because they're women, which puts paid to your lie that trans people are treated as their biological sex by society. They're not).

But if someone's misgendered it's not the end of the world, as the left treats it. Friends receive me as male, strangers receive me as male I don't need to forcefully ask people for it. I am pro freedom of speech. Personally, I am polite even to non-passing trans people if I consider them true-trans, but I'm against the idea other people should be forced to do the same.

I'm "polite" to non-passing trans people because I don't have fuck off money and I need my job.

There is no such thing as misgendering. Pronouns in English refer to the sex of a person, not the 'gender identity' of a person. It is literally impossible to misgender somebody, unless you say something like 'I do not believe you when you say your gender identity is x'.

who will prescribe injections to whither your right arm so it becomes useless

The are a lot of pills they prescribe in general that fuck up your body. And you don't have to be trans for that. A huge amount of neuroleptics/antidepressants fry your brain up and/or make your dick useless. But, again, people are only concerned by it when it comes to trans stuff. There are a lot of conditions that make you rely on harmful pills for the rest of your life (because there is no better option). Don't act as if it's only trans stuff.

Holy shit you are beyond redemption luv. Should doctors inject muscle-rotting substances into the arms of people who think their arms are alien and are distressed by them?

Go on. Say something logically consistent with your trans-supporting madness that also doesn't make you sound like a complete fucking psychopath. I'll wait.

the entire field is now hopelessly corrupted by trans madness

It's not the trans madness, it's the left madness, that leads to what you describe as "trans madness". Thanks a lot to commies who took over the media. Inconvenient, but that's the world we live in now. Could've been worse.

It's trans madness, championed by the left.

The fact that you think--as you obviously do--that being born in the wrong body is a concept that can even be entertained beyond 'first year philosophy students having a round of drinks on Friday night' is on you. toots.

 

[NoCockatrice]

They do fucking not. Show your evidence.

I don't really trust Wikipedia when it comes to social issues (for example, it says AGP is fake, which is bullshit), but here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_integrity_dysphoria

And the reason I don't think this particular article is bullshit is because it has some sources:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ccr3.8720

I also heard about such cases from both psychologists/psychiatrists I known (and they are far from left).

Not by me. And perhaps they are 'received' that way by the force of law as well as the implicit threat of being assaulted by trans women.

There are a lot of passing trans people. In fact I'd say the most passing ones are often the most legit ones (because the real diagnosis comes with a plethora of hormonal/anatomical abnormalities that already kind of shape you like the opposite sex). If a person looks/sounds/acts like the opposite biological sex - they will be seen as such by society.

Spoiler: An example

Be honest, if you saw that guy irl would you assume he has a pussy?

I'm "polite" to non-passing trans people because I don't have fuck off money and I need my job.

I understand and share your pain completely here. And I'm against shit like that happening. As I've said, I'm pro freedom of speech and I think you should be able to call anyone anything. On the other hand though, people also should be able to fire people they want to fire. That's also a part of a healthy free society.

Do you happen to live in a left wing state? Or does this problem a common thing in the red states as well?

Holy shit you are beyond redemption

I've literally told ya'll

Should doctors inject muscle-rotting substances into the arms of people who think their arms are alien and are distressed by them?

I mean, why use injections, if you can just cut it? Besides that, I do not care. There aren't that many people with dysmorphia, it's like a 1/1000000 thing. So if once in a blue moon there's a person who voluntarily cuts his arm, why should I be bothered? Especially if it (supposedly) makes him feel better. There are hundreds of people dying every day - should I care about all of them? Does it makes me a psychopath if I don't? No. And it's ok.

My point is consistent. What I'm saying is: if there are already so many ways people can hurt themselves that you don't care about, why do you want to ban that particular way (gender surgery)?

And I think I know the answer.

Years and years of left dominated media have resulted in thousands of young people (especially young men) bottling their anger up. You associate the concept of being trans with people like Yaniv, Peet, Fart Queen Kebabs (power-hungry incompetent deviants). But what you don't realise, is that if they didn't call themselves "trans" they would've been just the same. These people would've used anything as a shield, "trans" is just popular and plays along well with their fetishes. And I hate these people as much if not more than you do. But the fact they exist isn't my fault. I don't share their values, I don't share their opinions. I, and people like me, should not be deprived of the only way to feel better because of random people we have nothing in common with.

edit: Again, these power-hungry freaks aren't actually trans. They've been given the papers by the modern corrupt semi-doctors. And besides, a lot of people who support fake trans aren't even trans themselves (not even fake trans).

Also, don't act like before the trans™ popularity there were no deviants in power. Always been that way. Deranged people want to compensate and gain power.

The fact that you think--as you obviously do--that being born in the wrong body is a concept that can even be entertained

Have you actually read my posts? I haven't been "born in the wrong body", my brain's just a bit fucked up. Not the worst way it can happen though.

It's trans madness, championed by the left.

The trans popularity stuff isn't the worst thing the lefts have brought, trust me.

 

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They do fucking not. Show your evidence.

I don't really trust Wikipedia when it comes to social issues (for example, it says AGP is fake, which is bullshit), but here:

Yeah, zeroth, Wikipedia is hopelessly compromised on social issues, I agree. Yeah, first, finger amputation isn't limb amputation, which is what you claimed. Second, no, the doctors should not have amputated his fingers. Can you fucking hear yourself? Third, one case study is not your claim that this is somehow a routine happening.

I also heard about such cases from both psychologists/psychiatrists I known (and they are far from left).

Okay, well. I reserve the right to dismiss without evidence that which has been asserted without evidence.

There are a lot of passing trans people. In fact I'd say the most passing ones are often the most legit ones (because the real diagnosis comes with a plethora of hormonal/anatomical abnormalities that already kind of shape you like the opposite sex). If a person looks/sounds/acts like the opposite biological sex - they will be seen as such by society.

I don't know how many 'passing' trans people there are, because according to the phantasia of trans ideology, I'd never know.

Spoiler: An example

If I 'saw' Buck Angel in the street, and she didn't speak to me and I didn't already know who she was, I might just think I saw an actual man. But since I've seen her vagina in gay porn, in which she made an unwelcome and unexpected and revolting appearance in, no, she doesn't pass.

But if your point was "trans men often are perceived as the wrong sex more than trans women are", I agree.

I understand and share your pain completely here. And I'm against shit like that happening. As I've said, I'm pro freedom of speech and I think you should be able to call anyone anything. On the other hand though, people also should be able to fire people they want to fire. That's also a part of a healthy free society.

I'm not entering a libertarian debate about how private employers should be free to act. I was merely making a point that what you perceive as people treating trans people as if they may be an illusion.

Also, what do you think the government should do if it employs people? Should the government's employees be forced to utter things they don't believe to appease trans employees?

Do you happen to live in a left wing state? Or does this problem a common thing in the red states as well?

Not everyone lives in America.

I mean, why use injections, if you can just cut it?

Because I live in a country that has both socialised medicine and is a welfare state. And if you are going to do something that is going to cost taxpayers you better have a damn goodgod fucking reason.

Besides that, I do not care. There aren't that many people with dysmorphia, it's like a 1/1000000 thing. So if once in a blue moon there's a person who voluntarily cuts his arm, why should I be bothered? Especially if it (supposedly) makes him feel better. There are hundreds of people dying every day - should I care about all of them? Does it makes me a psychopath if I don't? No. And it's ok.

The numbers are irrelevant. There is nothing qualitatively different about people with BID and trannies. Except that braindead elite leftists have decided that trannies are a gilded class.

My point is consistent. What I'm saying is: if there are already so many ways people can hurt themselves that you don't care about, why do you want to ban that particular way (gender surgery)?

Huh? I am consistent. I would not condone any surgeon cutting off an arm because the patient wanted it cut off for idiotic reasons like 'I don't like it'.

And I think I know the answer.

You don't.

Years and years of left dominated media have resulted in thousands of young people (especially young men) bottling their anger up. You associate the concept of being trans with people like Yaniv, Peet, Fart Queen Kebabs (power-hungry incompetent deviants). But what you don't realise, is that if they didn't call themselves "trans" they would've been just the same. These people would've used anything as a shield, "trans" is just popular and plays along well with their fetishes. And I hate these people as much if not more than you do. But the fact they exist isn't my fault. I don't share their values, I don't share their opinions. I, and people like me, should not be deprived of the only way to feel better because of random people we have nothing in common with.

You have no idea what it would take to make you feel better because any psychological intervention that would treat your condition is labelled 'conversion therapy' and is literally against the law.

Have you actually read my posts? I haven't been "born in the wrong body", my brain's just a bit fucked up. Not the worst way it can happen though.

Yes, your brain is fucked up. Absolutely it is. A lot of people would call my brain fucked up, because I'm a man who is sexually interested in men.

You know what the difference is? I did not look anyone in the fucking eye and say 'treat me as if I'm heterosexual. I want you to believe I'm heterosexual. In fact, I am heterosexual. Outlaw and call it a hate crime if anyone says I'm gay.'

You know what else is different? I impose nothing by believing I'm gay and being gay does not require medical intervention. I don't need to take wrong-sex hormones or chop my dick off or ask the entire society around me to believe things they can see with their own eyes are not true.

I don't scream bloody murder because somebody asked if I had a girlfriend instead of a boyfriend.

That's the fucking difference.

The trans popularity stuff isn't the worst thing the lefts have brought, trust me.

I'm well aware of the endless idiocy of the left.