Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[HackerX]

e: well, your bank may require you do to inspections and surveys but cash in hand can skip all that.

That's our Russ. Cash in hand. Angel investors. He's got the dough until it's legally inconvenient. Then he's just a poor boy.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

That's our Russ. Cash in hand. Angel investors. He's got the dough until it's legally inconvenient. Then he's just a poor boy.

There's actually big money to be made in real estate with just that - if you can buy problem properties for cash (cheap as fuck because no bank will loan) and then rectify the problem (like it's got a whorehouse on it), then turn around and sell to someone getting a loan, you can mop up.

It's work and you need to know quite a bit about issues and how they are resolved, and you will get burned now and then, but you can make 20-50% or more in a year.

 

[AnOminous]

you don't need to do inspections or anything else to buy property whether it's a house or an empty lot.

Unless you mind buying a money pit with a superfund site underneath it that turns out to be completely worthless and gets condemned right after buying it.

there's usually nothing preventing a landowner from selling their real estate to someone else on a napkin for whatever consideration they want,

I recall a 1L property case unremarkable other than for being taught involving literally exactly that, a contract to sell a property written on a napkin in a bar. They tried to back out of it because of intoxication. Iirc they were found not too intoxicated to sign a contract and it was upheld.

even verbal real estate contracts can be enforced (but can also be an absolute fuck) - this is why title searches are important and fun!

I'd like an example of that. Every state has a statute of frauds that requires certain contracts to be in writing, and any contract involving permanent transfer of even an interest in land generally applies.

 

[talk talk talk]

Of course Greer's application for a protective order is relevant. Aside from the fact that he referred to it himself when trying to threaten Hardin and Moon, it is a statement Greer made under penalty of perjury or other sanction to a court. It is clearly impeachment evidence.

It is especially relevant because Greer's only evidence at trial will be his own testimony. Greer lying under oath in the past about the same party as in this case is fantastic impeachment evidence of his testimony--the only evidence he will present at trial.

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

After the judge takes action for his lack of action on the production of the RO application, we can expect another epic "Motion to undo what has already been done" and then, of course, an epic spergplight appeal to the 10th.

 

[The Strongest Haaton]

After reading this thread, it's easy to forget that this is a copyright lawsuit. I wonder if Greer forgets this sometimes too. I wonder how frustrated the judge must be by this point.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

I'd like an example of that. Every state has a statute of frauds that requires certain contracts to be in writing, and any contract involving permanent transfer of even an interest in land generally applies.

It may have been accepting a verbal offer to buy, etc. I don't have any details on hand - and yes, usually at a minimum the deed transfer has to be filed (though fun can happen here, too, submarine real estate contracts can exist and can cause problems).

arguably one of the important parts of property tax is it establishes who the fuck is actually paying for it year in, year out.

After reading this thread, it's easy to forget that this is a copyright lawsuit. I wonder if Greer forgets this sometimes too. I wonder how frustrated the judge must be by this point.

it started as a harassment/copyright lawsuit, and is now a copyright one, but will eventually have travelled through ALL 27 amendments, somehow. (The 18th and 13th are gonna be lit!)

 

[Farmer McColl]

After reading this thread, it's easy to forget that this is a copyright lawsuit. I wonder if Greer forgets this sometimes too. I wonder how frustrated the judge must be by this point.

If you factor in just how many filings the judges allow to pile up in this case before tossing out a quick, often minor ruling, I don't think either pays enough attention to get very frustrated at all.

 

[and six goriilion others]

After reading this thread, it's easy to forget that this is a copyright lawsuit. I wonder if Greer forgets this sometimes too. I wonder how frustrated the judge must be by this point.

Don't worry, Greer will remind you it's a copyright lawsuit when you raise irrelevant issues like "IFP fraud" or "not complying with a court order".

 

[somevan712]

Don't worry, Greer will remind you it's a copyright lawsuit when you raise irrelevant issues like "IFP fraud" or "not complying with a court order".

And then Greer will remind you that Null and Mr. Hardin are stalkers for looking into his claims, and claim* he will report them to law enforcement. Then he will tell you there are documents related to whatever claim he just made. Then, he'll tell you, ' No, stalker child, those relevant documents I brought up are now irrelevant. Enjoy sanctions and prison.'

 

[Useful_Mistake]

and he will report them to law enforcement.

And then I will look into it, as I do, and it will turn out that he lied about that too. You can count the number of actual police reports he has made on one hand, and have fingers left over.

 

[Uncle Buck]

After reading this thread, it's easy to forget that this is a copyright lawsuit. I wonder if Greer forgets this sometimes too. I wonder how frustrated the judge must be by this point.

More accurately, it's a SLAAP suit masquerading as a copyright suit. Greer merely had the good luck of filing it in a jurisdiction that, as @Useful_Mistake informed me recently, had no SLAAP statute at the time.

[EDIT: D'oh! SLAPP, not SLAAP; thank you, @StinkySnack]

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

More accurately, it's a SLAAP suit masquerading as a copyright suit. Greer merely had the good luck of filing it in a jurisdiction that, as @Useful_Mistake informed me recently, had no SLAAP statute at the time.

i'd really be amused to see this Schrönigger case be used to test whether a SLAAP case transferred out of a district and back in and then restarted with an amended complaint allows a SLAAP statue that came into being between could apply

 

[Thomas Talus]

It may have been accepting a verbal offer to buy, etc. I don't have any details on hand - and yes, usually at a minimum the deed transfer has to be filed (though fun can happen here, too, submarine real estate contracts can exist and can cause problems).

arguably one of the important parts of property tax is it establishes who the fuck is actually paying for it year in, year out.

If the "buyer" is living on the property, the "seller" could argue that paying the property tax and upkeep on an ongoing basis were actually the consideration for a verbal LLT agreement, not an agreement to sell the property, and be on much stronger legal ground than the one trying to claim the contract was for fee simple.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

If the "buyer" is living on the property, the "seller" could argue that paying the property tax and upkeep on an ongoing basis were actually the consideration for a verbal LLT agreement, not an agreement to sell the property, and be on much stronger legal ground than the one trying to claim the contract was for fee simple.

well possession is 9/10ths of the law, and greer is clearly possessed by the demon of whores and stupidity, ergo he's 9/10ths of the way there!

 

[StinkySnack]

More accurately, it's a SLAAP suit masquerading as a copyright suit. Greer merely had the good luck of filing it in a jurisdiction that, as @Useful_Mistake informed me recently, had no SLAAP statute at the time.

i'd really be amused to see this Schrönigger case be used to test whether a SLAAP case transferred out of a district and back in and then restarted with an amended complaint allows a SLAAP statue that came into being between could apply

Just wanted to point out that it's called a SLAPP suit, not SLAAP.

Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.

 

[Uncle Buck]

Just wanted to point out that it's called a SLAPP suit, not SLAAP.

Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Just wanted to point out that it's called a SLAPP suit, not SLAAP.

Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation.

I thought he was referring to the Strategic Lawsuit Activated by Asshole Pro-se-persons, but I guess that makes sense.

 

[Irene and 22 others]

The whole $67 could just be another outright lie from Russ- he doesn't want to comply with getting this document, so he intentionally miscalculated how much it will cost so he can bitch about it to the judge to try to wiggle out of it.

I don't think it's a lie, or at least it's hard to believe that he's clever enough to do what he did intentionally. If you read through his exhibits in ECF 326 you can spot what he actually did. Even when Amber (the case manager at the Utah court) tries explaining it to him, I don't think he's picking up on what he did wrong because he's too tunneled on the fact that they won't stamp the copies with "attorney's eyes only" as requested by Greer and he doesn't believe that this is the sort of thing that could easily be worked out via an email to Hardin.

In usual Greer fashion he only tried to do something that he had weeks to do at the last possible moment and he didn't plan on anything going wrong. As soon as something does go wrong, he attempts a last minute plight dump to undo the thing that has already been done to try not face redress for his own neglect. Complaining to the judge is also easier for him than figuring out what went wrong and taking steps to fix it and the courts have coddled him enough in the past before to encourage this exact behavior from Russ.

Although a lot of people think that the RO application must contain something juicy, I'm inclined to believe it's not going to be materially different than what Greer said in the police report he made in Florida that went nowhere. I'm sure that it does at the very least give Hardin some ammunition for proposing further sanctions, case dismissal, etc. but the pursuit of this document is far more interesting than the document itself could ever hope to be. I doubt it contains anything that Greer hasn't claimed in any of the various filings in this case at one point or another.

 

[Oliver Onions]

I thought he was referring to the Strategic Lawsuit Activated by Asshole Pro-se-persons, but I guess that makes sense.

Or Slobbering Lecherous Autistic Asshole Plaintiff.