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Should be a wild four years.

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So let me go down my understanding on why certain people want ww3 to happen

Boomers: like ww2 think that another world war will revitalize america

Neocons: payed by MIC, more war more money

MIC: war is profit and global war would make bank.

Groyphers: think that a war would create a white ethnonatiolist America.

Commies: think a war would destroy America, or turn America communist

I may be missing some, but I think that’s sums it up.
Nihilists: just want the world to burn
 
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You could argue that every one of those was unnecessary but the people on /pol/ telling you "don't die for israel" have very different aims in mind.
Yeah, no, the aim is 'don't go die for a bunch of Pharisees'.
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They fuck us twice, have our government go fight wars on their behalf, then push the 'refugees' from those conflicts into the West. Three times if you count the endless bitching over their handiwork throwing molotovs at them in the streets.
 
So tired of the same fucking song and dance with Paul and Massie total fucking losers who will kneel for the dems but fight tooth and nail against Trump because they want unlimited fucking immigration and pretend not to know how reconciliation works. They talk about cutting stuff you can't even cut in reconciliation when they obviously know it can't be done just to go against Trump.

Is the bill perfect? of course not but the immigration stuff is incredibly strong and it cuts down tons of bullshit money to dem shit and unless the GOP will remove the filibuster (they won't) you will never get a 60 vote regular bill passed without giving something like mass amnesty and Paul/Massie both know and want this.

Congress is why people get disengaged in the political process because they do this every fucking time so people tune out and there is no Trump on the ballot to make them tune back in so once they are gone good luck getting them back.

As for Musk he knows how it works in theory he has smart real conservative people around him but his emotional intelligence is behind the rest like usual so he just posts dumb shit. This bill would be a massive W for Trump so if it doesn't get through then he is gonna take a lot of heat.
 
Well there is a reason why we still have machine guns on fighters...

Besides I am not sure how big an advantage putting an electric motor on a tank vs the risk of it combusting due to the stress and heat of running a tank in a combat situation or needing to source lithium from other countries because China has a strong grip on the stuff and our own domestic deposits are being dug up by Canadians for some fucking reason.

An ultra-heavy engine that takes hours to charge, runs out of energy quickly, and runs like ass if it's too cool or too hot, has a lot of downsides that being quieter probably doesn't make up for. When the Abrams was designed, we were a few years shy of figuring out how to make really high-powered diesel engines. Next MBT will probably have a diesel.
 
When has either man stated they want unlimited immigration?
Well it's sort of like being a Democrat.

If someone is a Democrat, I do not need to hear them say that they are pro-child rape, it's kind of implied by the party's general immigration stances facilitating that at the border.

Similarly, if by sheer coincidence bills that aim to crack down on border hopping don't get passed for stupid reasons, it stands to reason...
 
Well it's sort of like being a Democrat.

If someone is a Democrat, I do not need to hear them say that they are pro-child rape, it's kind of implied by the party's general immigration stances facilitating that at the border.
They're both Republicans, if you didn't happen to know.

But it is good to know that you personally at least agree with the very progressive concept of lynching people in the public square based on things they haven't said.

Similarly, if by sheer coincidence bills that aim to crack down on border hopping don't get passed for stupid reasons, it stands to reason...
Nice stealth edit.

Similarly, if by sheer coincidence bills that have a boatload of shit unrelated to immigration aren't passing, perhaps put the immigration shit in its own bill. It's almost like it's put in that bill for the specific purpose of getting retards to look at it, much like you are here, as something that must be passed to get that done rather than something that it is included in to garner support from blind partisan dipshits.
 
They're both Republicans, if you didn't happen to know.

But it is good to know that you personally at least agree with the very progressive concept of lynching people in the public square based on things they haven't said.
I know perfectly well their supposed affiliation. I do not care what they say, I care what they do.

If you don't crack down on border issues at every opportunity and deport as many illegals as possible, if you do not make the illegals fear for their lives when you have the power to do so, I must assume complicity.
 
Add to this the fact that death counts are nothing compared to what they were even then. 4,500 americans died in iraq and only 2,500 died in afghanistan. These were across 20 years and both of those combined is less americans than died on d-day or from smoking in a week.

You could argue that every one of those was unnecessary but the people on /pol/ telling you "don't die for israel" have very different aims in mind.
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Most Muslims don't give a flying shit if the Palestinians die. Even if America gets all the boys together, goes out, and they kill every single Palestinian man, woman, and child, nothing will change with the greater Muslim world. Especially if America continues to buy oil from them.

Granted, they'll pretend they care; they'll put up strong words of protest; some of their more radical members might even deface a church or bomb a US base, but at the end of the day, they'll settle down and get back to work. Palestine is nothing but something they bitch about for the sake of bitching.

While it gets exaggerated there is also something to be said for "showing people you won't fuck around." When turdies sense weakness they strike. When somebody fights back they cower. America and the west have a lot of nice shit and every nation on earth wants a piece of it. It might have taken 20 years of complacency but if they thought there would be no repercussions for coming after our shit they would have done it. The world is a prison yard and nobody wants to fuck with the big crazy guy. Everyone will fuck with the nice guy.
Depends. France was the big crazy guy during the days of Louis XIV and Napoleon, and damn near everyone ganged up on them. Eventually, people just get tired of the crazy asshole upending the world order for the 50th time because he feels jilted or something, and everyone just gangs up on the bitch to tell him to shut the fuck up. That's why Napoleon died in bitter exile, and Louis XIV died in misery leaving France in deep debt. They built the strongest empires in the western world for their time, but even that didn't save them after pissing off the world.

Also, being the "nice guy" worked well for the Chileans; Pinochet would openly act nice and try to get along with his visitors and politicians, then he makes a few "suggestions" to some armed men that some troublemakers need to be thrown out of a chopper, and they go do it. If you're nice enough to have lots of friends, you can just suggest to them that someone troublesome needs to go, and they go do it. I mean, when America was acting like the world police against Communism in the latter half of the 1900s, a lot of generals, dictators, and juntas were happy to kill Uncle Sam's enemies to keep his hands clean.

Oh yeah the DOD put out the new Peace Through Strength ad with Pete and Trump talking over it. No Emma and her gay moms. Raw power and showcasing a lot of the new tech.
They're acting like hyper-masculine bullshit will win the next war, when that shit was outdated back in Vietnam. It's the technology and know-how that wins wars nowadays. I wouldn't be surprised if the next war is won by some fat nerds piloting drones 500 miles away from the battlefield.
 
If you don't crack down on border issues at every opportunity and deport as many illegals as possible, if you do not make the illegals fear for their lives when you have the power to do so, I must assume complicity.
Okay then the authors of this bill are complicit for not making the immigration components their own bill that no sane Republican could deny without being explicitly complicit in the immigration issue, and instead rolling it into a bigass bill that has parts of it that could reasonably be used as cover for potential complicit actors.

This is fractal retardation in bad faith argument.
 
They're both Republicans, if you didn't happen to know.

But it is good to know that you personally at least agree with the very progressive concept of lynching people in the public square based on things they haven't said.
Did this smug gotcha sound really cool in your mind, or does playing it back to yourself like that ruin the illusion?
 
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