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I don't see a problem with that.
I'll ask again, what about cigarettes and alcohol?
Wtf is the difference? Finger is ok, but the limb is too much? (I thought fingers are also limbs, not exactly a biologist here, well, no shit)
K, here's some more:
Still not a routine, but an another interesting case. The trans surgeries won't be common either if the left didn't popularise the concept.
Well... yeah. If you see a 100% passing person, there is no way of knowing, unless you get in their pants (which why the hell would you?). That's how it works.
Fair.
Fair.
If you live in Europe you have it much worse. If I'm not mistaken, a lot of European countries have these bullshit anti-bullying laws. Well, I'm against that.
No, I don't think they should be forced to say shit they don't believe in.
There aren't that many trans employees though (even if we combine both fake and true ones). Besides, it isn't the worst issue in Europe, if you know what I mean.
That point actually makes sense to me. However:
It's not my fault your government robs you. Personally, I think trans surgeries should not be paid with tax money. So, I guess we're on the same page here.
Well, the more often it happens the more it affects demography. So numbers do matter, in my opinion.
What about a man who sells alcohol? Or tobacco?
Oh, and I suppose you do?
Ya'll so funny when you say "surgery isn't an option", but if you're asked about what's actually an option you don't reply. Because you don't know. Because no one knows. And if you try to study that phenomenon modern people will call you Hitler. It's unfortunate, but that's the way things are.
I've been to many psychologists (and they weren't trans-friendly, I live in a country where there is no such craze - quite the opposite, actually) and they all told me one thing:
"Yeah, we can't help you with your problem, you need a psychiatrist not a psychologist".
In the country I live in it's not against the law. And in some other big countries (like US) it isn't either, if I'm not mistaken.
I've been to psychologists, they weren't able to help me.
I don't say it either. Anyone can call me anything they want, I don't think it should be illegal. Just let me have the surgeries I want to pay for with my own money.
Bro, have you read my posts? I said I'm against this shit like 5 times. I'm pro freedom of speech.
Neither do I.
Neither do I.
The only things I need are surgeries/hormones I pay for with my own very money. What people call me/see me as is up to them.
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If you don't see a problem with a surgeon amputating fingers because a nutcase asked them to, I don't know what to say to you.
What about them?
They're both too much. The difference is you made a claim that surgeons amputate limbs when therapy doesn't work. I found your claim unbelievable and unevidenced and it still is.
I'm not outlawing people doing indescribable body horror to their own bodies. I'm objecting to the idea that surgeons can ethically do so, and that taxpayers should foot the bill.
Here's a quote from the article you linked.
Both groups are mentally ill and no surgeon should have agreed to their mentally ill demands.
It depends on what you mean by passing, doesn't it? Present your poster girl Buck Angel to me naked and I know she doesn't pass.
I live in Australia, which is much worse than large tracts of Europe and even Canada. We literally cannot, by law, have single-sex spaces after 2013.
All trans people are fake, because trans people are not the sex they desperately wish they were.
Whether I think trans madness is the worst issue in the world isn't relevant. I wish cancer would no longer be a thing before I would capitulation to trans madness would no longer be a thing. But cancer no longer being a thing is biologically impossible. Whereas trans madness is a social problem that might have a solution.
It's not your fault, but that isn't the only way trans people impose themselves on society
What about them? I haven't read any of your previous posts so I don't know what argument you are making. What is the man selling alcohol or tobacco forcing me to believe, on threat of state punishment if I don't believe? Is the man selling tobacco or alcohol forcing me to call smokers "non-smokers" or forcing me call alcohol "water"?
Yes, I know. Trans madness enabled the idea that to explore ways to alleviate gender dysphoria is 'conversion therapy' and then outlawed it.
Then trans madness went further. Trans madness enabled the idea that any man who claims to be a woman is a woman. It's utter absurdity. And yet there it is. Literal law in hundreds of leftist madness jurisdictions. Literally changing birth certificates. Absolute fucking madness.
Maybe you do need a psychiatrist. If you could take a pill to alleviate your gender dysphoria, would you take it?
Because the absolute fucking trans madness the world has created, researching such a pill, advocating such a pill, even imagining such a pill is TrAnSpHoBiA. And is not only institutionally impossible but literally illegal.
If you could take a pill to alleviate your dysphoria, would you?
I don't believe any doctor can ethically prescribe wrong-sex hormones solely on the thoughts in the head of a patient.
I also believe, with ample evidence, that surgeries to frankenstein bodies of one sex to simulate the other sex are ludicrously wasteful body horror abominations. Have you visited the SRS surgeries thread? Visit it.
I also believe that doctors (and trans ideologists) who believe society ought to treat them as the sex they are not--in a world where there are no inequalities before the law based on sex-- are narcissistic, selfish, solipsistic deviants who deserve no quarter.
To be clear, if you are a woman who thinks she ought to have been a man, you are mentally ill and I do not believe that wrong-sex hormones and surgery, and the co-requirement that others around you pander to your delusion, including altering language, conventions and laws, are an ethical route to alleviate your dysphoria. I simply don't.
If you are a woman who simply must take testosterone, chop off your tits, and install a rotdog, absolutely do not come to me to call you 'he' or ask me to condone your presence in male-only spaces. Because you are not a man and all the magickal thinking in the world could make you one.
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@NoCockatrice I used to be more accepting of passing trannies that didn't stage scenes or political sperg 24/7. But the issue is that some people are inherently just born with features that make passing completely impossible. And to encourage transition to them is just going to make them even more dysphoric and depressed till it results in an inevitable 41%. Surgeries can only do so much, some people get all the surgeries but are still very obviously non-passing.
In order for someone to be pro-tranny "but only the good ones", it's hard to draw a line at "who's a good one". Because what if someone you define "as a good one" ideologically is also someone who will NEVER pass regardless how hard they tried? Would you still recommend they transition? A lot of trannies also have other comorbid mental illnesses like BPD, NPD, or Autism, which severely impact the way they perceive things - so even if they look like an obvious 6-foot brickhon balding man in a dress, they'll believe Reddit comments on how much of a "passing queen" they are. Or they think women who are she/her'ing them to be polite and avoid violence are "proof they passed".
Encouraging the passing more tolerable trannies also encourages the non-passing politics sperging ones, since the spergs think they're the more tolerable "good ones". It all enables the same ideology based on supporting delusions, which is why I'm completely anti-tranny.
Hardly any of them have the self-awareness to realize they're obnoxious, especially since they parrot phrases like "It costs $0 to have basic respect and use someone's preferred pronouns!". They think anyone uncomfortable by them is just a "hateful transphobic bigot". Just look at all the Reddit posts that go along the lines of "My bitch ass wife is such a performative trans ally since she told me the way I dress is inappropriate and like a pornstar, I thought she was supportive of me being MTF".
In order for someone to be pro-tranny "but only the good ones", it's hard to draw a line at "who's a good one". Because what if someone you define "as a good one" ideologically is also someone who will NEVER pass regardless how hard they tried? Would you still recommend they transition? A lot of trannies also have other comorbid mental illnesses like BPD, NPD, or Autism, which severely impact the way they perceive things - so even if they look like an obvious 6-foot brickhon balding man in a dress, they'll believe Reddit comments on how much of a "passing queen" they are. Or they think women who are she/her'ing them to be polite and avoid violence are "proof they passed".
Encouraging the passing more tolerable trannies also encourages the non-passing politics sperging ones, since the spergs think they're the more tolerable "good ones". It all enables the same ideology based on supporting delusions, which is why I'm completely anti-tranny.
Hardly any of them have the self-awareness to realize they're obnoxious, especially since they parrot phrases like "It costs $0 to have basic respect and use someone's preferred pronouns!". They think anyone uncomfortable by them is just a "hateful transphobic bigot". Just look at all the Reddit posts that go along the lines of "My bitch ass wife is such a performative trans ally since she told me the way I dress is inappropriate and like a pornstar, I thought she was supportive of me being MTF".
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Fine. There is no such thing as universal values.
I already said it's because I thought fingers are also considered limbs. Literally said it in my previous post.
So you're fine if someone is doing this shit to themselves at home, but if somebody pays a professional to perform a much safer operation it's suddenly a no-no? Who cares who exactly does the cuts if it's done voluntarily?
By the way, I didn't really get it: do you want the trans surgeries (not payed by tax money) to be banned or not?
The fact someone's mentally ill doesn't mean a surgeon can't do their job.
Buck Angel isn't my "poster"-anything. I found out about him long after starting to deal with my own issues. In my post I literally said:
unless you get in their pants (which why the hell would you?)
This is literally in the post you quoted. My brother in Christ, can you read?
It sucks, but it's not my fault Australia's ruled by cucks. (Ha, it rhymes)
>YeS I KnOw
>Doesn't suggest any solutions
Every. Fucking. Time.
What I mean by "fake trans" is that they don't have an actual diagnosis.
Yes, I know, it's unfortunate. I've acknowledged it in my post:
"If you try to study these things modern people will call you Hitler"
YES
YES
It's not just "the thought", it's the way their brain and their hormonal distribution are. In case of an actual diagnosis.
In my previous post I literally said THREE TIMES in a row that anyone has a right to call me however they want. You definitely think I'm a woman, cause you're ain't paying attention to a single shit I'm saying.
Here are some of my takes from my previous posts:
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Well, I don't think surgeons should be cutting off phalanges either. Or foreskins for that matter. Stop cutting parts of people's bodies off for no good reason.So you're fine if someone is doing this shit to themselves at home,I'm not 'fine' with it. I think it's fucking madness. There is a woman who was 'trans blind' and no surgeon would blind her, so she blinded herself with bleach. She has now made herself a lifelong burden on her entire society because she wanted to indulge her fantasies so much.
Medical professionals are regulated in every society worth living in. I believe a blanket rule of 'do not cut off any healthy body part based on the thoughts of the patient alone'. It's like 'don't give medications to patients for conditions they don't have'.By the way, I didn't really get it: do you want the trans surgeries (not payed by tax money) to be banned or not?First, I doubt any patient has paid the true cost of their surgery, even when there are massive 'out of pocket' costs with a private insurer. I most assuredly do not want taxpayers to pony up for trans surgeries or wrong sex hormones. But I don't want private insurance companies to pay for it either, any more than I want private insurance companies to charge me more for 'complementary and alternative medicine' benefits.
I don't think I would ban trans surgeries for adults per se, but I would like to see every frankensurgeon publically shamed and the results of their unethical practises put on display, so that as a society there is no profitable path to chopping off other people's healthy body parts for cash.
It isn't a surgeon's job to cut off healthy body parts because of the psychological illnesses of their patients.
Yes, I can read. And I answered your question as honestly as I could. If I saw Buck Angel in the streets and didn't already know who she was, I might just think of her as a small-framed man and that's it. But that people can sometimes pass in a brief interaction or from a distance isn't the point. A death cap mushroom is still poisonous, even if it looks like a harmless species.
No, I don't have any neat solutions for the re-making of almost every institution in the Western world so that psychological interventions for gender dysphoria can be seriously explored. It's beyond my power I'm sorry to say.
But one thing everyone can do is stop acquiescing to trans madness in every day life. Stop using people's preferred pronouns. Stop advocating that men can go into women's single sex spaces. Call every boy in girls' sports a cheat and a liar. Mock every pooner for her desperate aping of masculinity. When trans ideology is no longer obviously a sacred concept, then it will stop being treated as if it were a sacred concept.
The diagnosis is irrelevant though. Millions of people have type 2 diabetes whether it is diagnosed or not. Type 2 diabetes is something you can have. It's a real thing.
You can have dysphoric thoughts in your head, because thoughts are limitless. But you can't ever have been born in the wrong body or have the 'wrong' body, because that is philosophical nonsense. And you can't change your body from one sex to another: that is biologically impossible to do.
Then you should stop supporting the current model. You will never get effective psychological therapies or effective medication as long as trans people have the lure of wrong-sex hormones and frankensurgery.
Brain states cause thoughts. But there is nothing wrong with the rest of a dysphoric person's body.
Should government employees be forced to use preferred pronouns in order to keep their job?
I posed that question but you didn't answer.
Here are some of my takes from my previous posts:
A man who cuts his dick off because he thinks he ought to have been born with a vagina is making a permanent, life-altering decision that will not only cost him dearly in a physical sense, with lifelong pain and discomfort, he thinks that by this ritual he gets to impose on the entire rest of society as well.
Someone who makes a craft beer and sells it isn't cutting into somebody's body and demanding everyone force it down their gullet.
But indeed--Australia and other countries have multiple public health initiatives and tax structures to discourage drinking and smoking at a societal level.
So, let's try that, shall we? Wrong-sex hormones taken for recreational purposes (that is, what all trans people take them for) should be taxed as much as cigarettes are right now. (About 80 per cent of the retail price of cigarettes in Australia is pure tax).
Second, we will have public anti-trans campaigns everywhere, discouraging people from being trans. Text books for high schoolers should show, in graphic detail, the results of trans frankensurgeries, just like they used to squeeze the tar out of a dead smoker's lungs on television in the shock anti-smoking ads in the 1990s. When someone takes wrong-sex hormones, unflattering pictures of brickhons and pooners should be emblazoned on the packaging.
Third, we will make the lives of trans people as difficult as possible. Smokers can hardly indulge their habits anywhere anymore. Not in public, not in a car if there are other people present, not in their own house if there are children present, not in restaurants or pubs, not even outside them in a certain perimeter. So: no accommodations for trans people. No indulging their demands to use single-sex spaces of the sex class they don't belong to. No changing their birth certificates. No pretense that society is organised along 'gender identity' lines. No time out at work for dilating.
So yes. Let's treat transness like smoking or drinking.
Buckle up.
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A random crazy lady blinded herself. The only one she made troubles for is herself. How does it affect society? (if you say "welfare", I say - I've literally stated I'm against it)
Are you retarded? WTF do you think we pay for it with in countries like Russia?
If there are charity companies who use money they voluntarily got from people to pay for that stuff, it's their business (literally). Forcefully shutting them down would be a socialistic practice, mind you.
Alright, we have some more common ground.
If you sell vodka you're literally selling poison to people. Alcohol destroys your skin, heart and brain. Cutting cock destroys your cock. Cock isn't as important as a brain. A trans person who doesn't drink is much healthier than an alcoholic.
You do you but all I see is excessive moralfagging. You do realise these "public rolls of shame" will cost money? Where do you think these money will come from? TAXES.
I'd say it's better to not expose young people to this idea at all (like it was before). Kids don't need to know about trans stuff. But if there will be such textbooks I won't care or be offended.
Oh my god, why are you so fucking dramatic? Someone cut their tits so it's the end of the world now?
If you live in a country that robs you, lets in immigrants that rape your women (idk if this issue is as common in Australia as it is in Europe) and turns governmental structure into a quasi-socialistic mess and your most important issue is that somebody cuts their dick - you're a moron with bullshit priorities. "Globally, the percentage of people who identify as transgender is estimated to be under 1%" Stop treating them as if they're a world mafia of some sort.
I don't mind that idea at all. Why not.
Trans people aren't the same as alcohol though. Alcohol kills you - trans people (who are under 1%) do not. Even the hormones don't kill you. The danger level of the things you're comparing isn't the same.
May be in Australia it is so, but in a plethora of countries nobody gives a fuck.
Up to the boss to decide. He shouldn't be forced to allow it though.
Personally, I don't think people should be forced to neither love nor hate trans people. Simple as that. Let people decide themselves.
So you think if Buck Angel walks into a female bathroom there aren't gonna be any problems or at least questions?
They'll also cost tax money.
I don't mind that though. That'll make the fake ones think twice.
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Are you sure you aren't the lady who blinded herself with bleach? WTF is this then?
You're kind of arguing with air at times.
YES, THERE IS. Underdeveloped/unusually developed breasts, abnormal hair patterns, abnormal hormonal distribution, abnormal weight distribution, misfunctioning/disfigured genitals, should I go on? And brain is a part of the body. In fact, the most important one.
Ok, you don't fucking listen to me at that point. I said it already, but I'm going to repeat myself (again): Have you actually read my posts? I haven't been "born in the wrong body", my brain's just a bit fucked up. Not the worst way it can happen though.
Everyone should have a right to call anyone however they want. Advocating against that is advocating against freedom of speech. You should not be forced to call a transwoman a woman if you don't want to, but if someone does - it's their business.
WTF should I "stop supporting"? I'm supporting freedom of speech and if I want to call Buck Angel a man - I will. You, however, have a full right not to do so.
Besides, referring to transwomen as women in the 30's didn't stop the scientists to research that phenomenon. You know when they stopped the researches? When commies took over the media (I mean, if we talk about Germany specifically, at first they were actually stopped by nazis, but nazis are also socialists, so you got the pattern). Commies also stopped the researches about brain, genes, race, sex and a lot of other things. But that doesn't seem to concern you.
"My country fucks me up so I'm gonna release my frustration at you, whaa whaa". Just get some cash and move to the red county of the US. A lot of your problems will disappear and you'll make sure it wasn't the evil trannies who were the main problem.
You scared me so much, australian boy.
I come from Eastern Europe - I ain't afraid of anything anymore (in general, not only regarding trans stuff).
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*Sorry 'bout double posting, but my posts are long af, and I'd like to separate one topic from the other.
KiwiFarms on the other hand... Has it's own thread for that which is, let's say, slightly less optimistic! https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/
-is not fucking kids/animals
-is not trying to force people to date them
-didn't simply put a wig a minute ago and called it a day (doesn't put actual effort into their transition)
-doesn't have any other diagnoses incompatible with trans dysphoria (like schizophrenia, and, as I was also told, BPD)
-is not obsessed with trans aesthetic (not a deal breaker, but a red flag)
There is a good chance they might be actually trans.
Of course, I would also prefer if they shared my values, but it has nothing to do with the diagnosis. I must add however, that being ultra left is a red flag in my opinion.
Now I kinda want to make an illustrated "fake trans bingo" thing.
Personally, I'm polite to trans people as long as they aren't assholes (even if I doubt they're true - after all, I'm not a doctor). I don't think everyone should be, though - up to people to decide for themselves.
Men, I wish the topic of AGP was researched by doctors as well.
Well, it is unfortunate you've met people on your way that changed that. Fair enough, you can't change how you feel after interacting with some motherfuckers.
Yes, happens. Unfortunate, but it ain't anyone's fault. Shit happens.
I won't recommend anyone anything, because I'm not a doctor. I have never recommended anyone to transition. Just tell them "It's your decision and it's up to you".
This is actually a very interesting phenomenon, and I wish it was researched. Clearly, there is often a correlation between, let's say, autism and being trans. If anyone has any articles/literature touching that subject I'll be interested.
I don't see the point in asking online ultra left spaces (I never did). All they gonna say is "yess, honn" and people who post there know it. And that's why they post there.
KiwiFarms on the other hand... Has it's own thread for that which is, let's say, slightly less optimistic! https://kiwifarms.st/threads/tranny-sideshows-on-social-media.33028/
To me, it's quite simple. If a person
-is not fucking kids/animals
-is not trying to force people to date them
-didn't simply put a wig a minute ago and called it a day (doesn't put actual effort into their transition)
-doesn't have any other diagnoses incompatible with trans dysphoria (like schizophrenia, and, as I was also told, BPD)
-is not obsessed with trans aesthetic (not a deal breaker, but a red flag)
There is a good chance they might be actually trans.
Of course, I would also prefer if they shared my values, but it has nothing to do with the diagnosis. I must add however, that being ultra left is a red flag in my opinion.
Now I kinda want to make an illustrated "fake trans bingo" thing.
Personally, I'm polite to trans people as long as they aren't assholes (even if I doubt they're true - after all, I'm not a doctor). I don't think everyone should be, though - up to people to decide for themselves.
That's why, I think, there should be more medical control over who is "trans" to begin with. Some kind of a "true trans certificate".
People are stupid in general. Happened before, happens now, will happen again. Topics change, but the point does not.
That's just an AGP. Not true and honest trans.
Men, I wish the topic of AGP was researched by doctors as well.
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But welfare is a reality. The woman who blinded herself should just have killed herself, if I'm honest. But, she has made the lives of multiple people harder - her entire family for instance - because the fucked up idea in her head was more important than anything else.
We need to actively discourage people from harming themselves and others. Trans people harm themselves and others with their fucking lunacy. Every mother or father who transitions and then kvetches on reddit that their 'selfish' children have trouble coping should be actively shunned and shamed in society.
Russia has socialised medicine. If you are saying Russia does not include trans surgeries in their socialised medicine, I'm glad to hear it, but what I mean is in countries where there is socialised medicine or medicine covered by insurance or a mixture, the 'costs' calculated for something don't reflect reality. The 'cost' that hospitals charge to cover an emergency room visit in the United States is outrageously high - but it's because some people never pay their medical debt and the hospitals know they can make up for it in other ways.
But I also meant 'cost' in a different way. Chopping your cock and balls off and installing a permanent wound will cost that person and the people around them pain, suffering, inconvenience and reduced quality of life.
Men don't chop their cock off and leave it at that. They also taken wrong-sex hormones. It's difficult to imagine you believe that taking wrong-sex hormones for the rest of your life has no negative effect on your health.
I don't know where you have got the idea that I'm a libertarian. I'm not. Also, I didn't say the public rolls of shame needed to be taxpayer funded. But frankensurgeons will no doubt sue people who expose the truth about them, and so the State does have a duty to not censor people.
Well we don't live in a world where children are not exposed. We live in a world that celebrates trans joy. Children need to see the adults in the room condemn medical and surgical mutilation.
They're far fucking worse than the mafia. Nobody in noncorrupt governments defers to the mafia. Nobody in civil society says it's morally okay to join the mafia. Nobody says we need to 'listen to mafia voices'.
Trans ideology has deathgripped the entirety of Western civilisation in its noisome paws. It is an irredeemably stupid religion, that, like Islam, demands jizya from the infidel. It brooks no dissent. It is internally incoherent and morally repugnant. It has swept entire institutions. It has surgically mutilated and hormonally destroyed the bodies of tens of thousands of children. It has told girls and women that the desires of men with a sexual fetish are more important than they will ever be.
Dramatic? My god, I don't have the literary prowess to be dramatic enough.
Taking wrong-sex hormones causes health issues. It's hard to believe you don't know this. Yet you already acknowledge that the medical establishment actively silences any study that might show negative effects of 'trans affirming care'.
I guess it is up to the boss, but I can think of nothing grosser than someone slacking off work because they deliberately wounded their body and need to stick something up their urethra for an hour a day.
People are forced to capitulate to State laws that forces people to utter things they don't believe, and prevents them from gathering in a single-sex space.
I know, I know. Australia is particularly fucked on this. Worse than Canada.
In a world where trans people didn't lie every day, to themselves and others, there wouldn't be a problem. In such a world, women would know that someone who looked like Buck Angel was female.
But it's asymmetric and I acknowledge that. I don't like the idea of Buck Angel using the male bathroom but he doesn't frighten me. So if she wanted to, I wouldn't cry a river over it. But trans women should use the men's bathroom. Because they're men. And men shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.
Trans people and their ideology are costing me tax money and my freedom of conscience every fucking day right now.
So to be explicit, nobody employed by the government should be forced to use preferred pronouns, is that right? What about toilets at a government workplace?
What are you talking about? Are you saying trans people are really intersex or have a disorder of sexual development?
My brain is fixed inside my skull. People see my body and hear my voice when they interact with me, not my brain. And I can tell what sex somebody is without looking at their brain.
Yes, your brain is fucked up. You should change your brain because that is where the problem is.
Should the government be forced to respect someone's pronouns? Should the government change sex markers on birth certificates?
You seem to live, or pretend to live, in some kind of libertarian fantasy. The government exists and it has to make decisions.
I don't actually. I literally can be punished by my own government for doing so.
Yes, I know. Australia is cucked. You don't need to remind me of that. I live here.
It concerns me that we live in a suffocated academic world where some subjects are taboo. What makes you think it doesn't concern me?
You appear to be as deluded as the trannies on reddit who are asking which countries will take Americans as refugees.
Very high net worth individuals can move countries on a whim. There are countries that literally sell citizenship. The United States is not one of them. Ordinary people can't just move countries whenever they want.
Also, even if I wanted to live in the United States, even in a red state, it is still suffocated in pro-trans madness from top to bottom. Democrats have shown time and again they are willing to die on the trannie hill, and as soon as the next Democrat president gets installed, it'll be as bad as it was before.
Remember, the last Democrat contender wanted to use taxpayer money to give 'gender affirming surgeries' to federal prisoners.
In case it was not obvious from my screen name, my entire ethnic heritage is Southern and Eastern Europe. I know what my parents fled and the lives they had. I can only hope that Europe is based enough to stay based.You scared me so much, australian boy.
I come from Eastern Europe - I ain't afraid of anything anymore (in general, not only regarding trans stuff).
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Than how about we fight that first? If it ain't gonna be trannies it's gonna be something else. The problem won't disappear.
These are shamed. People just don't say it out loud (well, now they start to do it more and more).
Being trans is not the end of the fucking world. I'm not blind, not in a wheelchair, I can work, I'm fully capable of stable income, I don't drink, I can help my local society prosper, I'm pro freedom of speech, I can have a family. I'm not disabled. Hell, I'm even capable of multiplying.
If your government charges you money for the comfort of random ass people - they will continue doing that, even if all trannies on Earth'll disappear. So may be trannies aren't your biggest problem?
The fact a bunch of government people said something stupid doesn't mean the whole world's in danger. Stop pretending there are no right wing governmental structures (like in US for example).
Not my fucking fault
If I'm not mistaken, intersex is when you either have an unusual set of chromosomes or strongly abnormal genitals. But technically speaking, transsexuality does involve some intersexuality (for example, your brain develops in a pattern of an opposite sex). And often the things I've mentioned above (unusual tits, hair etc.). If you consider it to be "sexual development issue" - you can call it that.
Not. My. Fault.
They do, but they're not nearly as bad as alcohol.
By "world" you mean a bunch of European countries (in which private schools are still an option) and Australia. Europe has been cucky for ages, way before the trans craze. Which proves once again, that it's not our fault.
You do realise you just made a pro-trans point? Just like I said: if a person looks, sounds and acts like the opposite sex, they will be treated by people as such.
I don't have such an option. WTF am I supposed to do aside from taking hormones?
I know US's hard to get in. Sure, but you can at least try to get a job visa, for example. It depends on how badly you want to get there.
No.
Up to them. Personally, I don't care about my birth certificate, I don't need it to be changed.
Up to the people in said workplace. They can do a local poll of "should we let that person in that bathroom?" and vote. Or they can install a third bathroom for all the trans people, if they think it's necessary. Personally, I've been to places that have one bathroom for everyone. Nobody had an issue.
Well, because you treat trans stuff like it's the end of the world, and not the gene stuff.
I don't know where you have gotten the idea I think you're a libertarian.
Used to be that way around 15 years ago. Not that hard to go back.
If one sees a man who looks, sounds and acts like a man they're not gonna see him as a woman. People analyze things with their eyes. And if a thing looks like a thing it's a thing. And it works both ways: if you're a non-passing caveman with a wig nobody's gonna call you female.
Well fuck him, I don't support it. He failed anyway.
Me too, but it has been cuckier and cuckier since the 19th century. The hope fades away.
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I know I'm double posting again, but I want to highlight that, for I find it really important.
Do you think that trannies (less then 1% of the entire world) are as dangerous as radical muslims, who come in thousands in Europe every day?...
Do you think that trannies (less then 1% of the entire world) are as dangerous as radical muslims, who come in thousands in Europe every day?...
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Both are dangerous. But at least sandniggers don't control the entirety of social media and threaten to get you fired from your job. Even the FTM Lawyer @legaltweetz on Twitter has received several emails trying to get her fired from her job (though she owns her own legal practice so they can't), JUST BECAUSE she was considering detransitioning. They react with aggression and violence towards any dissenters. MTF trannies have a tendency to threaten and write rape fanfictions of how they'd love to rape those that won't sleep with them.
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YOU THINK? Try to utter something bout disliking islam or supporting Israel and see how that goes.
Let me guess, they're either from a blue state or Europe? Also, even though they've received emails they weren't fired (if I understand correctly).
The danger level isn't nearly the same. If you claim otherwise you're just lying. Trans people cut themselves, radical muslims cut heads. Isn't it a big difference?
And I state again: there are much less transes in Europe than there are radical muslims. Set your priorities.
These are AGPs, not true trans. Again, harsh medical control would've dealt with that.
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Fight the idea of welfare? I'm not against the idea of welfare. I'm against waste, fraud and abuse of welfare, sure.
But they're not shamed. Have you seen a single politician or mainstream media pundit ever talk about the idea? You think there is a single "when dad becomes mum" story that isn't revoltingly sympathetic to the trans figure? I have not seen this get any coverage at all, frankly.
Many trans people do become disabled, from actions directly related to their transness. How many pooners have mobility aids when they're in their 20s? Do you think the female body is designed to take massive amounts of exogenous testosterone?
I'm sorry your trans and your life would be better if you were not. You seem to agree with me.
Trannies are a very big problem, but I'm curious about your reasoning. Are you saying I should only be worried about the absolute biggest problem worldwide and nothing else, until that problem is solved, and then move on to whatever the next biggest problem is?
If you are saying that, why? And if you're not saying that, why is it relevant to rank-order problems. Why bring it up?
If having a right-wing government solved the problem, the problem would be solved. Trans madness in the UK went from 'undetectable' to 'unimaginable insanity' under a Conservative government. The 'Conservative' government wanted to make it easier for men to change their legal sex to women.
There are boys playing against girls in girls's sports in 'red' states up and down America.
The trans problem is certainly BIGGEST in Western countries, and in the Western countries, it is the Anglosphere that has it the worst. So yes: trans madness is a very real problem to me because I live in the Anglosphere, and in the country that has most cravenly surrendered herself wholesale to trans ideology.
Australia is on her knees and she is sucking the girlcock.
The vast majority of trans people are not remotely 'intersex'. Your brain has nothing to do with your sex. Literally nothing. Your sex is about your body's reproductive pathway.
I didn't say it was your fault. I am explaining why I care about the issue in response to your challenges.
We don't know how bad it can get. We know everything possible that is bad about alcohol because humans have been drinking it for at least 3,000 years and it is widespread in many socities.
We don't know how bad exogenous wrong-sex hormones will make people, because we haven't had widespread usage of exogenous wrong-sex hormones for 3,000 years.
No, I mean large swathes of Europe, both Americas, and some parts of Asia. That's a pretty big chunk of the world.
No, I didn't make a pro-trans point. Trans people do not look, sound and act like the opposite sex, and that's why people can tell your trans. And you are being deliberately deceitful here: many trans people say they don't care about 'passing', and frankly if you look at many of them they are clearly telling the truth about that.
But, it would be irrelevant even if transness was undetectable. Males simply do not qualify to be in women's spaces, and that's an end to it.
There are psychological therapies that have varying degrees of success for various mental conditions. You could start with those.
I don't want to go and live in the US. I have a life that I have built here. Australia is actually a first-world country, believe it or not. And moving to a country that at some point in the future is going to have a Democrat president means it could get just as bad again.
No, it shouldn't be 'up to them'. No government anywhere should be falsifying records.
Or trans people can use the facilities of their sex, like everyone else does.
Because you keep making suggestions like 'why not get rid of welfare' or that I think doctors should be able to do whatever they want.
It is impossible. The world isn't giving up the internet on smart devices.
I "see" Buck Angel as a woman, because she is a woman. She's a fucked up woman who has been taking exogenous testosterone for years, but nevertheless a woman. I know what she sounds and looks like. I can't see her as anything else. Buck Angel isn't a man.
Huge tracts of the world call transwomen 'women' and 'female'. What you mean is 'nobody believes it'. And yet people feel compelled to say the opposite of what they believe. It's because, as I've said, trans ideology has a deathgrip on the culture.
It was actually Kamala, but I'm sure Joe Biden, despite his professed Catholicism, would have let his handlers approve such a policy anyway.
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Again with this strange line of questioning.
When people donate to charities, do you think the only metric people use is 'this is the biggest problem in the world right now so that's why I'm donating to it?'
No, nobody does that. If I advocate that Australian employers should correctly pay their employees' overtime, does that mean I think that people who are literal slaves right now don't have it worse?
I think Islam is the worst mainstream religion, the countries under Islamic control are fucking shit holes, it is violent and homophobic and misogynistic and repressive and Islamists are crybullies who will literally try to kill you if you draw their Prophet (peace be upon him).
But I don't have to choose between 'getting rid of the worst of Islam' and 'getting rid of the worst of trans madness'.
Also, people pick their battles. Islam is 1,400 years old with a billion Muslims. That problem isn't going to go away quickly or easily.
But trans madness started in earnest less than 15 years ago. It is a craze that has swept over countries like a tidal wave. But tidal waves can break and recede. We can see some glimmers of hope in America and the UK. It won't ever go away, but the worst of its evil machinations might be kept at bay.
And in my jurisdiction, the government can punish me for calling a transwoman 'he'. Not even Islamists have the power to criminalise me for not believing in their faith.
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@NoCockatrice You're self-aware enough to realize that being transgender is a mental illness, but not self-aware enough to stop going on about "True Trans". You realize you can just admit you're a masculine woman who wants to look like a man, and are willing to do risky experimental procedures in the process, right? You realize you don't have to keep defending it and citing debunked quack psuedoscience? "Male brained females" is literally the same type of "science" as astrology. I see no difference between "I'm stoic and tough, I like cars, so I'm a man" and "I'm a Gemini so I'm crazyyy".
It's like how smokers know they're giving themselves lung cancer but don't care. You can admit you're doing something bad that we don't know the long-term effects of to your body, but you don't care and are exercising your freedom to do so anyway. That's fine. The reason we have issue with you is you're acting like it's a legitimate treatment option that you HAVE to do.
I also had severe gender dysphoria, and I still do have days sometimes where I'd prefer being a man, but I've chosen to treat my mental illnesses with psychiatric medications, rather than feeding them. I relate far more to men than women on average. And I'd love to be able to use dating apps normally without having to go through the 9000 profiles of bisluts with bfs looking for thirds.
You are no different than those insecure women that get lots of plastic surgery procedures for aesthetic reasons.
The only difference between "True Trans" like you and "Fake Trans" is that one is more self-aware and tolerable than the other. But there's no such thing as "True"/"Fake" trans because it's the same ideology. HSTS troons can be just as degenerate and repulsive as AGP ones. It's not solely just AGP's fault.
It's like how smokers know they're giving themselves lung cancer but don't care. You can admit you're doing something bad that we don't know the long-term effects of to your body, but you don't care and are exercising your freedom to do so anyway. That's fine. The reason we have issue with you is you're acting like it's a legitimate treatment option that you HAVE to do.
I also had severe gender dysphoria, and I still do have days sometimes where I'd prefer being a man, but I've chosen to treat my mental illnesses with psychiatric medications, rather than feeding them. I relate far more to men than women on average. And I'd love to be able to use dating apps normally without having to go through the 9000 profiles of bisluts with bfs looking for thirds.
You are no different than those insecure women that get lots of plastic surgery procedures for aesthetic reasons.
The only difference between "True Trans" like you and "Fake Trans" is that one is more self-aware and tolerable than the other. But there's no such thing as "True"/"Fake" trans because it's the same ideology. HSTS troons can be just as degenerate and repulsive as AGP ones. It's not solely just AGP's fault.
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Not just look, but be a man due to illness. You can call it that. You can call me whatever you want - I'm not taking away your freedom of speech.
They weren't debunked. You sent me one article and I explained to you why it isn't a proof. If you say it's debunked - show me evidence.
Show me another option then. I already said I tried psychology. No effect. They don't deal with the issues I have. There are no alternatives for me.
No, it's not. You can measure hormone levels, you can (to some level) observe brain and it's reactions, you can research mental conditions. You cannot neither measure nor observe horoscopes.
Brains of people with ADHD, autism, OCD and many other conditions do look different from regular brains. What makes you think it's a different case with transsexuals? Or do you think all people have same looking/functioning brain? That's just ultra left non-sense.
If doctors will tell me I'm not trans and prescribe me pills - I will take them, sure. I'm not against that idea. Psychiatrists I had told me to get a professional that specifically works with sex-related mental stuff. Right now I'm looking for an appropriate specialist and saving up money.
Is ADHD an ideology? Is OCD an ideology? Is autism an ideology (hell, yeah
)? Is schizophrenia an ideology (to be fair, I can name a few I'd call that)? If the answer is no, why transsexualism is? Is it really that hard to believe your brain can be fucked up in a way that makes you feel you're the opposite sex? I think not. There are far weirder conditions than this.While researching trans brain differences, I have came across an article from a Russian psychiatrist, that contains a lot of interesting info. I'll translate it and post it.
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@NoCockatrice What is it about having hormone levels higher than average or looking androgynous or having a mental illness that causes you gender delusions means you must resort to experimental surgeries and synthetic hormones that we don't know the long-term effects of?
Like, I know it sounds extremely impossible for you to believe that you could get rid of your gender dysphoria in other ways, because that's the way delusions work - it's extremely difficult to come out of a delusion. But not impossible. There has even been treated schizophrenics that successfully stopped having delusions/hallucinations.
I highly doubt that you in real-life are all of these things:
- employed in a good-paying stable career you enjoy without overworking yourself
- eating healthily and exercising
- taking care of yourself in general
- have an active social life
- have a good support network composed of some non-trannies / non-liberals
- have decent relations with family
- without unhealed trauma
- without addictions, including psychological ones like porn
If you were, then the gender delusions wouldn't have so much power over you. You can't realize it because you're actively stuck in the delusion, and I know the feeling because I've also had delusions. I know you're also probably going to reply to me saying I'm wrong and you do have all of those things, but I just don't really believe that. Or you'll say that those things have no correlation, which is stupid, since it's widely accepted that mental health is extremely tied to environment and physical health.
Edit: I'd recommend you read the r/detrans subreddit, but I already know you'll just say "those are all fake trannies because they regretted it and a real tranny wouldn't regret it". Literal cult mentality. "We are the one true religion and all other religions are fake and going to hell." "Name 50 songs from this band or you're a fake fan."
Edit 2: So far, you've only proven to me that a mental illness exists, and may be exacerbated by conditions that cause higher hormones or other shit. Ok, so what? You still haven't proven to me anything about why the delusion should be encouraged. You still haven't talked about why trannies that live as trans for 20 years but then detransition are "fake trannies" and you're so much of a realer tranny than them. If it really were so clear-cut that a brain scan can reveal if transition will make someone happy, then wouldn't you think people would do that FIRST before all the irreversible surgeries that cost thousands of dollars?
Edit 3: Just because a doctor or healthcare company says something doesn't necessarily mean I'll believe it. There's therapists that validate and encourage polyamorous genderfluid retards. The "trans healthcare" industry makes a lot of money. Your psychiatrist saying there's nothing they can do for you except medical transition means NOTHING to me. Because there's other therapists that would ask and delve deep into your life on the checklist I mentioned above. Even Blaire White had a video series where she met with a therapist, and even she admits her dysphoria is likely linked to her history of being sexually abused. Even academia research is a highly political business. You can't really do studies like Ray Blanchard about AGP anymore, no university would sponsor it and give you money. Because it's now a hate crime to study that.
Like, I know it sounds extremely impossible for you to believe that you could get rid of your gender dysphoria in other ways, because that's the way delusions work - it's extremely difficult to come out of a delusion. But not impossible. There has even been treated schizophrenics that successfully stopped having delusions/hallucinations.
I highly doubt that you in real-life are all of these things:
- employed in a good-paying stable career you enjoy without overworking yourself
- eating healthily and exercising
- taking care of yourself in general
- have an active social life
- have a good support network composed of some non-trannies / non-liberals
- have decent relations with family
- without unhealed trauma
- without addictions, including psychological ones like porn
If you were, then the gender delusions wouldn't have so much power over you. You can't realize it because you're actively stuck in the delusion, and I know the feeling because I've also had delusions. I know you're also probably going to reply to me saying I'm wrong and you do have all of those things, but I just don't really believe that. Or you'll say that those things have no correlation, which is stupid, since it's widely accepted that mental health is extremely tied to environment and physical health.
Edit: I'd recommend you read the r/detrans subreddit, but I already know you'll just say "those are all fake trannies because they regretted it and a real tranny wouldn't regret it". Literal cult mentality. "We are the one true religion and all other religions are fake and going to hell." "Name 50 songs from this band or you're a fake fan."
Edit 2: So far, you've only proven to me that a mental illness exists, and may be exacerbated by conditions that cause higher hormones or other shit. Ok, so what? You still haven't proven to me anything about why the delusion should be encouraged. You still haven't talked about why trannies that live as trans for 20 years but then detransition are "fake trannies" and you're so much of a realer tranny than them. If it really were so clear-cut that a brain scan can reveal if transition will make someone happy, then wouldn't you think people would do that FIRST before all the irreversible surgeries that cost thousands of dollars?
Edit 3: Just because a doctor or healthcare company says something doesn't necessarily mean I'll believe it. There's therapists that validate and encourage polyamorous genderfluid retards. The "trans healthcare" industry makes a lot of money. Your psychiatrist saying there's nothing they can do for you except medical transition means NOTHING to me. Because there's other therapists that would ask and delve deep into your life on the checklist I mentioned above. Even Blaire White had a video series where she met with a therapist, and even she admits her dysphoria is likely linked to her history of being sexually abused. Even academia research is a highly political business. You can't really do studies like Ray Blanchard about AGP anymore, no university would sponsor it and give you money. Because it's now a hate crime to study that.
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Because right now, in the state the medicine is in, there are no other options for me.
If doctor tells me how - I will.
1. I'm looking for a new job right now (I wanna earn a huge sum this summer, til the college starts), but I do love my speciality. I know exactly who I wanna be in the future and I love it.
2. I mean, define healthy (I highly doubt soda will fuck my brain up that much). I do exercise. I'm not nearly obese.
3. I take care of myself just like any other person. Face is clean, room is clean etc.
4. Sure do. Gonna hang out with old friends from school in a week (we're still in contact). People in college genuinely miss me as well etc.
5. I only know one trans person irl and we aren't friends. Neither of my friends are trans nor leftists. Most of them are male.
6. I have a full, big family, I love them very much and they love me back (our political differences don't matter to me). No matter how they're gonna call me in the future, I'll always love them. I want to have a family of my own in the future.
7. No trauma. I talked to psychologists - they found nothing.
8. No addictions either. I don't even drink coffee.
2. I mean, define healthy (I highly doubt soda will fuck my brain up that much). I do exercise. I'm not nearly obese.
3. I take care of myself just like any other person. Face is clean, room is clean etc.
4. Sure do. Gonna hang out with old friends from school in a week (we're still in contact). People in college genuinely miss me as well etc.
5. I only know one trans person irl and we aren't friends. Neither of my friends are trans nor leftists. Most of them are male.
6. I have a full, big family, I love them very much and they love me back (our political differences don't matter to me). No matter how they're gonna call me in the future, I'll always love them. I want to have a family of my own in the future.
7. No trauma. I talked to psychologists - they found nothing.
8. No addictions either. I don't even drink coffee.
Then why ask in the first place?...
I agree with you, they do have correlation.
I've been there. It's a depressing subreddit for sure. But I've never read a story form it that sounded like my story.
I never said that. Stop claiming I say things I don't say.
Look. If you give a person without OCD medications for people with OCD - it's not gonna work, it's gonna hurt them. It's called misdiagnosing. People in that subreddit aren't going to hell, they aren't bad people, they were misdiagnosed - given a wrong solution to their problems. How is a conception of misdiagnosing a cult mentality? OCD can be misdiagnosed, autism can be misdiagnosed, ADHD can be misdiagnosed. Why can't transsexualism?
I genuinely feel bad for detransitioners and I'm very much against the hate they face. I do think more cases of detransitioners should be shown in the media, so people can see how bad things can get. But again, there won't be that many cases of that if there was a harsher medical control.
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There is one notable difference. Astrology invented 12 fake personality types and stopped there. Trans ideology keeps inventing genders and didn't stop at 12.