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can't believe there's people who look at the debacle that was the invasion of Iraq that ate up the vast majority of the 21st century so far and think that we need a sequel. Yes, let me send my sons to go die in a desert shithole to protect gay sex in Israel and feed the eternal military complex.
no one is calling for an invasion of Iran, they are calling for airstrikes on iranian nuclear facilities.

You guys are denying people have called for full on invasions
name someone who has actually called for an invasion of Iran. Even Mark Levin isn't calling for an invasion.

There needs to be a better explanation for why this time is different from Iraq, or alternatively a argument to why Iraq was okay
IAEA denied that Iraq had any WMDs and the Bush Administration ignored them.

The IAEA confirmed that Iran has lied and cheated with nuclear material, some of which was used to work on a detonator in 2003:


Iran carried out secret nuclear activities with material not declared to the U.N. nuclear watchdog at three locations that have long been under investigation, the watchdog said in a wide-ranging, confidential report to member states seen by Reuters


It also spelled out that Iran's cooperation with IAEA continues to be "less than satisfactory" in "a number of respects". The IAEA is still seeking explanations for uranium traces found years ago at two of four sites it has been investigating. Three hosted secret experiments, it found.
The IAEA has concluded that "these three locations, and other possible related locations, were part of an undeclared structured nuclear programme carried out by Iran until the early 2000s and that some activities used undeclared nuclear material", the report said.
Nuclear material and/or heavily contaminated equipment from that programme was stored at the fourth site, Turquzabad, between 2009 and 2018, it said.
"The Agency concludes that Iran did not declare nuclear material and nuclear-related activities at three undeclared locations in Iran, specifically, Lavisan-Shian, Varamin, and Turquzabad," the report said.
At Lavisan-Shian in Tehran, a disc made of uranium metal was "used in the production of explosively-driven neutron sources" at least twice in 2003, a process designed to initiate the explosion in a nuclear weapon, the report said, adding that it was part of "small-scale" tests.
The report is likely to lead to Iran being referred to the U.N. Security Council, though that would probably happen at a later IAEA board meeting, diplomats said.
More immediately, it is likely to lead to Iran again accelerating or expanding its rapidly advancing nuclear programme, as it has done after previous rebukes at the board. It could also further complicate talks with the United States aimed at reining in that programme.

URANIUM ENRICHMENT​

A separate IAEA report sent to member states on Saturday said Iran's stock of uranium enriched to up to 60% purity, close to the roughly 90% of weapons grade, had grown by roughly half to 408.6 kg. That is enough, if enriched further, for nine nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.
Both IAEA reports said enrichment to such a high level was "of serious concern" since it is the only country to do so without producing nuclear weapons.

Especially those of our esteemed Greatest Ally who would neeeeeever use us to fight their eternal proxy wars
Ariel Sharon warned Bush about Iraq and Bush didn't listen. Somehow that's Israel's fault.
 
No you're witnessing a population that has been lied into doomed forever wars time and time again. Has only seen it make the world worse and America and is finally saying we wont be tricked again.
Shut the fuck up you stupid goy, the neocons have never ever lied about why we need to invade a shit hole on the other side of the planet and I'm only calling for an airstrike, what's a little tiny police action in the grand scheme of things, we just need a small invasion, I'm only asking for a little bitty preemptive nuclear strike, stop being so propagandized and just do what I say because if you don't want to send your sons to die in a brown country for the benefit of another brown country then you're probably brown.
 
Lied about WW2
Lied about Vietnam
Lied about Iraq
Lied about Afghanistan

"But we swear we're selling the truth about Iran! We super duper pinky swear we're telling the truth! Please send your sons and daughters to die Goyim!"

Any of you fucking retards who believe this shit should kill yourselves immediately so the world doesn't have to suffer the consequences of your low IQs and lack of critical thinking abilities.

If rope is too expensive for your broke asses throw yourselves off the troon bridge.

KYS
 
It's worth making this point again: how do we know this?

I understand that we've been told this for my entire lifetime, but what I'm curious about is how you actually know this to be true, especially given all the times we now know these same people have lied to our faces about the exact same thing somewhere else.
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The United States has ADMITTED to losing a nuke 6 times, 3 were never recovered

The Soviet Union has never admitted how many it has lost

When USSR collapsed they had over 22,000 short range low yield nuclear weapons that had a VERY shoddy accounting for
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Thats to say nothing of the 46,000 nuclear warheads they had at their peak, THATS JUST THE USSR

You are talking about 1, just 1 of these being "misplaced" into the hands of a country literally bordering them.

thats my argument on the issue, I could be wrong.
 
"But we swear we're selling the truth about Iran! We super duper pinky swear we're telling the truth! Please send your sons and daughters to die Goyim!"

Any of you fucking retards who believe this shit should kill yourselves immediately so the world doesn't have to suffer the consequences of your low IQs and lack of critical thinking abilities.
i genuinely cannot understand why you guys are stuck in the idea that anyone wants Iran to be invaded. No one is calling for an invasion. The most that is being called for is a targeted airstrike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

for all your claims of "critical thinking" you can't seem to understand the consequences of allowing the world's biggest sponsor of terror who has already given advanced weapons to its proxies to use on Americans which have resulted in death to have nuclear weapons. you think they won't give it to the houthi like they gave everything else?
 
and I'm only calling for an airstrike,

Bro, come on, it's just a lil airstrike. Nothing to think about. We'll fearporn it hard on TV and social for a week then never speak of it again. We airstrike half the world at this point, what's one more? Why are you so anti-american??????????????

Stealth edit: the totally 100% anti-war not-a-neocon prez is... going to war??? weird.
 
i genuinely cannot understand why you guys are stuck in the idea that anyone wants Iran to be invaded. No one is calling for an invasion. The most that is being called for is a targeted airstrike on Iranian nuclear facilities.

for all your claims of "critical thinking" you can't seem to understand the consequences of allowing the world's biggest sponsor of terror who has already given advanced weapons to its proxies to use on Americans which have resulted in death to have nuclear weapons. you think they won't give it to the houthi like they gave everything else?
Do you think the Iranians are just going to shrug and go "well I guess that's that we give up and surrender forever" after an airstrike?

Do you know what a declaration of war is?
 
No matter what the MIC neocons want, there's no broad support for an Invasion. They might as well give up or hope for a false flag, lol.

That being said, Iran should be watched and reminded of their place if necessary. There's a reason the Saudis have been making nice with Israel and it's not to trade falafel recipes. The Saudis do not want a nuclear Iran, period.
 
"we're just sending some military advisors to Saigon, only a retard would think this would mean we're invading and going to war. You guys lack critical thinking, no one's calling for invasion, just some bombing runs over Hanoi and this will be over by 1962"
 
Shut the fuck up you stupid goy, the neocons have never ever lied about why we need to invade a shit hole on the other side of the planet and I'm only calling for an airstrike, what's a little tiny police action in the grand scheme of things, we just need a small invasion, I'm only asking for a little bitty preemptive nuclear strike, stop being so propagandized and just do what I say because if you don't want to send your sons to die in a brown country for the benefit of another brown country then you're probably brown.
when you're so america first that you let other countries that call for the death of america and whose proxies have murdered hundreds of americans as well as facilitated drug running into the US and banking for the cartels to get nuclear weapons while also intensely researching ICBMs

somehow not a security concern for america
 
2. There needs to be a better explanation for why this time is different from Iraq, or alternatively a argument to why Iraq was okay
Iraq was an embarrassment that ended with people falling off airplanes trying to evacuate, and absolutely nothing to show for the 20 years of millitary weapons and money spent on it except a nation hostile to American interests and armed with American weaponry. If it was attempted again there will be further financial oversight which would make skimming much more difficult.
 
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