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Iraq was an embarrassment that ended with people falling off airplanes trying to evacuate, and absolutely nothing to show for the 20 years of millitary weapons and money spent on it except a nation hostile to American interests and armed with American weaponry. If it was attempted again there will be further financial oversight which would make skimming much more difficult.
That was Afghanistan. We are still in Iraq. Because we won.
 
i genuinely cannot understand why you guys are stuck in the idea that anyone wants Iran to be invaded. No one is calling for an invasion of Iran
Oh yeah not like the chief national security advisor wasn’t saying exactly that in 2017

“The declared policy of the United States should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran.”

Our current un ambassador too btw
 
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"we're just sending some military advisors to Saigon, only a retard would think this would mean we're invading and going to war. You guys lack critical thinking, no one's calling for invasion, just some bombing runs over Hanoi and this will be over by 1962"
one of the best posts in a while

"They are just rice farmers in the jungle, how hard could it be?"
 
Because we won.
Look, Welper, I know American exceptionalism is a core tenet of the Church of Latter Day Saints but you're delusional if you think Iraq even remotely resembles a win. What did twenty years and billions upon billions of tax dollars get us in Iraq aside from lucrative contracts for Ratheon and thousands of dead sand people?
 
They are under US control essentially as a base and airstrip. They have armed forces but are a shadow of what they were
So a smaller group is being dominated and kinda sorta treated badly by the American government and you feel fine with that?

Are you sure you’re a real Mormon?
 
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According to the guy who got Biden to step down, Trump's America is worst than McCarthyism.
https://en.as.com/entertainment/geo...he-mccarthy-era-i-do-think-it-is-worse-now-n/
https://ghostarchive.org/archive/jMTnt
Clooney, a well publicised Democrat spoke to CNN on the set of the play and spoke about the parallels of politics in the 50s and now.

Clooney stated: "Although McCarthyism was bad, it wasn’t anywhere near as pervasive as it is right now, the kind of fear that you see kind of stretching through law firms and universities, you think it’s worse now than McCarthyism.

I do think it is worse now, although there is one caveat that kind of gets ignored when people talk about this, which is, when I was a kid, we did duck and cover drills. So overriding all of this was the threat of nuclear annihilation."
 
Since Iran is an existential threat to Israel, they shouldn’t have any complaints.
I actually agree with this.
"we're just sending some military advisors to Saigon, only a retard would think this would mean we're invading and going to war. You guys lack critical thinking, no one's calling for invasion, just some bombing runs over Hanoi and this will be over by 1962"
That was a different situation. The explicit idea behind the Michigan State Group in 1955 was to give a little support now and not have to send a lot more support later on. If you want, I can go digging for the primary source documents this weekend. I have them laying around in digital form somewhere.

Of course, the problem became that the communists in Vietnam were not fucking around, followed by all the communists in the US media who ran defense for them in the 1960's. Eisenhower did not want to send troops to Vietnam and neither did JFK. LBJ and his camp were the ones who pushed for US military intervention in Vietnam.

Either way, my point is that Vietnam was a lot more complicated than "nothing happens, Bay of Pigs, WAR." It was a conflict that really began with the Haiphong Incident in November 1946 and the US was tangled up in it from that point on.
 
when you're so america first that you let other countries that call for the death of america and whose proxies have murdered hundreds of americans as well as facilitated drug running into the US and banking for the cartels to get nuclear weapons while also intensely researching ICBMs

somehow not a security concern for america
You'll note that while I never pinged him or quoted him, CTR saw his own ridiculous reasoning lampooned and felt it necessary to defend a comical strawman because in reality, his argument IS the strawman.
 
Do you think the Iranians are just going to shrug and go "well I guess that's that we give up and surrender forever" after an airstrike?
Trump killed Soleimani and their best response were ineffective missile launches at US bases. Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in Syria and killed Haniyeh in the middle of Tehran in a protected area, that led to True Promise 1/2 which were Iranian missile attacks on Israel that were largely ineffective. Israel then destroyed Iranian air defenses which Iran didn't respond to at all, only promising that True Promise 3 would happen "at a time and place of their choosing."

The Iranians are fundamentally cowards and their technology mostly sucks. No other nation will intercede on their behalf either, Russia is too busy and China regards Iran as a pain in the ass. Once you factor in that Iran is going through strikes, a drought, and an energy crisis, it's questionable what their response will be at all.
 
I actually agree with this.

That was a different situation. The explicit idea behind the Michigan State Group in 1955 was to give a little support now and not have to send a lot more support later on. If you want, I can go digging for the primary source documents this weekend. I have them laying around in digital form somewhere.

Of course, the problem became that the communists in Vietnam were not fucking around, followed by all the communists in the US media who ran defense for them in the 1960's. Eisenhower did not want to send troops to Vietnam and neither did JFK. LBJ and his camp were the ones who pushed for US military intervention in Vietnam.

Either way, my point is that Vietnam was a lot more complicated than "nothing happens, Bay of Pigs, WAR." It was a conflict that really began with the Haiphong Incident in November 1946 and the US was tangled up in it from that point on.
You could argue that the seeds were sown with our idiotic support of France holding authority over Vietnam.
 
Look, Welper, I know American exceptionalism is a core tenet of the Church of Latter Day Saints but you're delusional if you think Iraq even remotely resembles a win. What did twenty years and billions upon billions of tax dollars get us in Iraq aside from lucrative contracts for Ratheon and thousands of dead sand people?
So a smaller group is being dominated and kinda sorta treated badly by the American government and you feel fine with that?

Are you sure you’re a real Mormon?
Iraq was a military victory. Saddam is dead, his government toppled, ISIS later destroyed. We gained military bases in the region. I never said anything about political costs.
 
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Trump killed Soleimani and their best response were ineffective missile launches at US bases. Israel bombed an Iranian embassy in Syria and killed Haniyeh in the middle of Tehran in a protected area, that led to True Promise 1/2 which were Iranian missile attacks on Israel that were largely ineffective. Israel then destroyed Iranian air defenses which Iran didn't respond to at all, only promising that True Promise 3 would happen "at a time and place of their choosing."

The Iranians are fundamentally cowards and their technology mostly sucks. No other nation will intercede on their behalf either, Russia is too busy and China regards Iran as a pain in the ass. Once you factor in that Iran is going through strikes, a drought, and an energy crisis, it's questionable what their response will be at all.
If it’s so weak and easy i guess Israel can take them out then, if it’s so easy why haven’t they done it already like with bombing saddams stuff

They are either degenerate inbred goatfuckers who we can lick in a week or they are a serious threat it can’t be both.
 
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