- Joined
- Jul 4, 2022
he talked a lot about the case during the first ~1hr 10min of today's livestream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRcv-zvtEeg for any of the advanced clippers (a lot of good stuff in there)
Here's an ElevenLabs generated transcript of that section of the stream for anyone that wants to do more targeted clipping. I agree that there's a lot of good stuff in there—one might even call it insane, unhinged, or, dare I say, DISGUSTING!
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What is up, famalam? So it looks like the motion to seal the hearing transcript was approved. Was it? No shot. Oh, actually, I would need to look in...
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Actually, I would need to look at how that works. Oh my God, don't do this to me. Okay. Bro, they're... I think they put like a um... The mortgageoids are laughing at us right now, rentoids. Stay strong, okay? Stay strong. Nice shirt?
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It is a nice shirt actually. Go to destiny.gg/merch. And if anybody tries to take it from you, you can defend yourself with a wonderful Damascus forged in the fires of hell knife. Okay? Oh, it's this one. Vintage, by the way. It is." Doesn't the property manager usually give you a heads-up if there's going to be a disturbance in the building?" They probably emailed me.
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I mean, it's not like I can do anything about it. Usually when I get emails like that, I just delete them. There's not... What? It's not like I can say, "Please don't renovate." "Will you personally sign the COA for the knife?" Yes. I signing certificates for all of them. Part of the reason why the price is high is because we have to ship it around a lot to do dumb shit or whatever. But... It's also to block the poors from having it, okay? This is a fashion icon. It's a status symbol. I can't be allowing brokies to be wielding DGG memorabilia, all right? Not the knives. Wait, where did...
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I didn't see anything granted for sealing the order. The thing is, here, I'm actually not sure. When it comes to the transcript, if they, um, if they approve a motion to seal the transcript, does that just mean that there won't be a transcript that's available on the public docket? Would that prevent me from publishing it if we bought it? I'm not sure. I actually don't know how that would work. Also, but there's no way that they can... I don't think you can retroactively... Because again, this was like a public hearing, right? Like for instance, obviously I had one fan that was there, and he's free to say what he wants about it, and I don't think the court could hold him in contempt or do anything like that because it was a, because it was a public hearing.
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I just, I don't think you can do that. "Is this transcript available right now?" Okay, I'm ge- I don't fully understand how this works. My lawyer told me this, but I don't believe it. But I, I don't think he would lie to me. Apar- I thought that... My understanding would be that you have, like, stenographers that work for the court, and people that do transcripts are employees of the court, and so they do a transcript, then they make it available for the court. That, that was my understanding. But my lawyer told me that transcript transcribers sell the transcript and that's how they make money. But maybe, maybe just for like official... No, not, this, it was an official proceeding. Maybe just for trial the court has a stenographer or something? But... "This looks like it was filed yesterday." Oh my fucking god.
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So, (sigh) tip, an order, orders look the same. Um, orders just look like orders, right? There, there's not gonna be anything unique or crazy inside of the order. So a proposed order is what you're basically asking the judge, "Listen, here's the arg-" So first you file for the order and you make your arguments for it, and then you file a proposed order saying, "This is what we would want the order to look like. This is what a proposed order looks like," because it was proposed in front of it, and it says, "This is wh- how you would write the order granting plaintiff's motion to have June 3rd, evidentiary hearing transcript filed under seal." And then you write out the order that basically the judge would just have to sign. But it's a proposed order, so it, the court has to accept it first. Wait, so what would happen if you didn't pay for the transcript?
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Some dipshit would be sitting there for free hoping that somebody buys the shit he's writing? I don't... Yeah, that seems silly, right? That seems not possible, no? Or maybe they get paid an hourly fee and selling the transcript is how they make more money, maybe? "Can't you buy the transcript?" We bought the transcript immediately. It's like 1,100 bucks. My lawyer said we'll have it either tomorrow or early next week. Hoping tomorrow. It's 135 pages. Based. I had a, um... Fuck me, I got like four hours of sleep. Um, I had a brain blast this morning. I don't know if we went over this on stream, or maybe we did and I, I don't think I made as big of a deal out of it as I should have.
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Um, I, I, did... We went... I think we talked about this, I just didn't make as big a deal out of it as I think it was. During the p- um, during the direct examination, so direct examination is when you're questioned by your own attorney, and then cross-examination is when the other attorney is questioning you. So direct examination is generally when you ask yourself questions to basically get your statements on the record, right? This is what you want to be a part of the record. Um, this is how you're building your credibility, and these are the things that you want the court or the jury to know, right? During the, I believe it was during the direct examination, so when Doe was answering her own attorney, her and the judge had a back and forth, and she told the judge that she, um, had sent all of the material that we'd made, not just one video, but all three of them to her, uh, ex-boyfriend.
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I've never been told that in my life. I have never been made aware of that. I reread all of our messages surrounding that date and then afterwards, and that's never been communicated to me ever. Which is interesting if the legal argument you're going by is, it has to be explicit, you know, every time requested permission, consent. But, uh, Jesus. Fuck, I want that transcript so bad. Oh my God. Ugh. God, I'm so happy we had that hearing. Oh my God, that hearing makes me feel so sane. Holy shit. (sigh) I think you did mention this before.
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I don't recall hearing... Oh, you didn't mention this before. Oh. Maybe I did may- or I s- or I skimmed it, so. But yeah, Jesus. "Could a person like ZipZip theoretically write down everything really fast to get a transcript this way?" I could be wrong, but I think all electronics are banned from being brought into the court except for by attorneys. So an ordinary person wouldn't be able to bring a laptop. I guess, if they wrote really fast, maybe. (suspenseful music) "This literally started right as my streaming started." Are you serious?
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"I gotta say, bro, this is a weird world where you're all recording each other and sending it around." I, sure, I guess. I mean, like, I'm sympathetic to people that think that, which is fine, but they, um, my, my whole issue with this from the very beginning has basically been that, like, for a long time I was part of a very horny world, which is fine. I'm cool with it. I'm like, I'm not here to slut-shame everything. I love horny worlds. Or at least I, you know, I partake, par- partook, partaken, partooken, partook more in it. Um, where there's just like a lot of horny people doing like a lot of horny things, which is fine, which is cool, and which was based, and which was fun.
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But then the issue that I had is that another party has come out, um, the, whoever leaked all the stuff, and then as a result of that, there's been this like ultra, ultra-high fucking intensity, high-resolution spotlight on only me. And if you're looking into a weird world, and you're literally only getting a singular person's view of what's going on, like it almost feels like I'm gonna tell you the story about this guy. Um, I'm gonna tell you the story about this European dude, and this guy shot and killed seven different people. Um, sometimes he was w- was with friends, sometimes he was on his own, uh, but he shot and murdered, it, it was like seven different people.
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One maybe even in cold blood. I don't know if he had a weapon on him at the time. Um, and then like at the end of all of it, you're like, "Okay, Jesus, well, like when was this, and what was going on?" It was like, well, this was 1941, it was World War II. You know, he was a soldier from, I guess, Germany or whatever. It was like, "Okay, well, that, I feel like that changes things a little bit." You know? It's frustrating because I see some people are saying things like, um, some people are, I've seen some comments where it's like, "This doesn't actually change anything about how I feel about, uh, Dusty or whatever. It just means that both of them were horrible people." Well, or it just means there was like a shared understanding of like, um, that, that this was, this was the understanding at the time, but, you know.
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Jesus Christ. Ah, fuck me. I want that, I want that transcript so bad. Hopefully we get it soonish. If we got it tomorrow, that'd be awesome. "Did you tell your lawyer that you'll talk to Stream about your legal stuff so if they mess up, thousands of people know?" (laughs) I mean, they know, because it shows up in like every fucking court filing, but I, the, my legal team is they are very, very, very good at what they do. I mean, the guy is, he, um, he's had multiple very, very high-profile clients, right? From Prince Andrew I think was probably the most high-profile one, and then there were a few other very high-profile c- uh, clients.
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So they're used to having like a lot of public attention and everything else. And he was, he was very good, um, during cross and direct examination, I guess. He was, uh, yeah, I didn't even know, I didn't know he was like a, actually, I still don't know if he does like actual, um, we call them trial lawyers, right? People that are actually present, presenting during trial. I don't know if he does that, but yeah, he was very good during questioning. "You came in way too weak in January when you made the statement. It seems crazy that with each, with each hearing we're getting more and more details." The reason why, um, the reason why I came in weak or whatever, or why I wasn't sure in January is, it's hard, I'll do a big retrospective at the end, but you gotta understand that this is a world that I've been a part of for a long time.
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This is a world that I've been horny in for a long time. And I think there's been like one time ever with some weird, I found out she was an Andrew Tate fan, some weird person like leaked some DMs of mine to some other person or whatever. It, it was cringe. But this is n- and then all of a sudden on like one day, there's all of these people coming out and saying shit, and there's like my, the conspiratorial part of my brain literally goes into overdrive because I have no idea like all these different figures are coming together. Some are friends, some are ex-friends, some are, yeah. So for a while the first thing I had to do was just understand like what the fuck is actually going on, because I don't know like...
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Actually I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm honest. It's not, it's not about like saying something that will incriminate you in a lie. It's about saying something and then wondering like, if I say this or if I, you know, reveal this, or if I talk about this, like what, how is this gonna look if I have to, you know, say something else later? So it's, it's hard to without knowing everything that's gonna be on the table, without knowing there's, somebody's gonna clip this and say, "Oh, there are other accusations and he was just waiting to see if those people found out or some bullshit." But it's not. It's just like, um, I'm trying to think of a, like an, an example. Um, this is common sense if you've dealt with like law enforcement or court stuff. You just don't want to say more than what's necessary, basically. Um, you don't wanna drag other people's business out into the open.
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You don't wanna drag, um, unnecessary info out into the open. So you have to wait for like kind of the cards to fall and see like, okay, what exactly are we dealing with on the table? And then once that's down, and then especially, especially, oh, the second part too is I have to wait and see like what the other side wants to bring to court. Because imagine we have this whole fight publicly. I don't wanna give the other side the opportunity to hone their argument, um, for free basically, right? But I mean, I, I think I, I made that joke like a year ago where it's like, oh, court's really cool because you have to lay out all of your arguments and it has to be like logical. You can't just bring up random bullshit. And so now that we're in the court environment actually, now that like we're in the litigation process, like we can see everything going on, you know.
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(clears throat) "There was a lot of coordination behind the scenes. People pushed to take positions," et cetera. Yeah, I agree. There absolutely was. Which is, I think that's why Jstlk, for instance, doesn't want to be an official part of the case. I think he wants to be beyond, um, subpoena power or beyond any kind of discovery. Because I think that Jstlk is probably working in a highly coordinated manner with a lot of people. And I think plaintiff is probably working with Jstlk as well, because you saw those messages between them. So, I think there's probably a high degree of coordination there, where they're trying to do, uh, reputational attacks, they're trying to recruit more people for whatever lawsuits or- Oh, my God. "Aren't you already helping them with the streaming?" Not really.
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So, the thing that you have to balance out, so the, the, um, conventional wisdom is always given of, like, don't ever talk about your court case. And I think that this is true for 90, for this is true for all private people, right? Why would you ever, don't, like, talking about your court case is, it's almost never going to benefit you, and you can end up getting yourself in a lot more trouble. And people are usually not as smart as they think they are. Um, I would say me included, except I know that, like, even I've been, like, pretty careful just not to, 'cause I don't, I, I just, I, who knows what would come up where. It, it's just, you have to be careful for that. Um, but the challenge when you're a public figure is that this is a civil case, and at the end of the day, the only thing I ever really stand to lose is money.
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That's it. It's a civil case. The only thing I stand to lose is money. So, if I don't talk about anything ever, and I'm losing money as a result of that, well, like, what am I actually doing? What's going on, right? I'm sacrificing reputation and financial... And I, and I'm incurring financial harm to, to what? Try to stave off reputational and financial harm in a court case? Like, it doesn't make sense. So you have to balance out, like, the, the public figure aspect of it. This was one of the things that, um... This is one of the things that, uh, I think Kiwi Farms and Jstlk Server and everybody was like, "This," and Esports dipshit man was like, "This is why you're, you should never talk about your case. Like, his lawyer must hate him right now. He can't talk about it. He should never be talking." It's like, bro, I'm literally getting de- I'm getting destroyed. I'm getting raped in my... I've lost like 40,000 subs, you know.
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Uh, multiple sponsorships have canceled. Like, I have to say something. What do you mean? Why would I not s- It's a civil case. The only thing I can lose is money, so why would I not talk to try to stave off, uh, some of the losses? What do you mean, fucking "Don't say anything and just sit there and, and eat all the losses." This is retarded. It's a civil case. The only thing I stand to lose is money. So, yeah. (clears throat) "Isn't it hilarious that none of the drama slop tubers are even touching anything about this case?" They're probably just waiting for it to finish. And I'm sure once it finishes, if it all gets tossed, then it goes my way. There'll be some people that do retrospectives on it, but... "Is there a tiny bit of sympathy for Doe?
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The more that comes out, the more it feels like she got gaslit by people that hate you." Um, no. Unfor- no, not really. I think I'm too, I think I'm too forgiving sometimes. This got stressed to me a lot over the past several months by some people. Um, I mean, these are adults. Like, your stated goal is over and over again, like, they're, that person has conducted themselves in a way that I think is probably one of the most disgusting, like, things I've ever seen in my entire life. I'm sorry. It just is. But... "Isn't Lily a snake for assuming you were guilty until proven innocent?" Uh, no.
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I, if anything, she probably just doesn't want to be associated with, like, crazy dramatic sh- stuff. She already gets enough shit for (laughs) being friends with me. It's fine. I don't care. "Why do you say she acted so disgustingly?" Um, plaintiff's counsel, or her, I don't know who's responsible. I hope we get to find out. Um, has... The filings have been disgusting. Um, naming people in my life, first and last name. My ex-wife, bringing up her name over and over again, and then linking directly to online websites where you can go and look up revenge porn of us is disgusting. Um, especially if she thinks she needs to proceed under a pseudonym, why is she giving other people's names?
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That's just disgusting behavior in my opinion. Um, the inability to protect any of their witnesses. Um, the, the fuck-ups in all of their filings. Having, for instance, um, having, for instance, one of the witnesses who is identified by the screen name Abbey MC come under protective seal and then redacting the name, but not redacting the screen name. Or showing Jstlk's picture, for instance. Um, it's just bad. This is egregious behavior. Um, their meet-and-confers have just been disgusting. They clearly aren't trying to reach any type of, like, good faith, um, resolution. They, um... I, I, I do think they got in over their heads, and I think that they thought that I wanted to, that I would eventually just buckle and settle.
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Because I didn't want to spend the money on it. But I told my, um, my, I, actually, to be honest, even my attorneys didn't believe that. People say that attorneys just want, um, just want money. But even mine were telling me in the beginning, like, "It's, it could be a hefty fee, but, like, like this would be better to settle, 'cause it's gonna cost a lot." And I said, "I'd, I'd rather pay. I'll pay 3X the cost or whatever." I don't give a fuck. Like, I'm not, there's no way I'm gonna pay out money to somebody that is extorting and blackmailing me and threatening me with a suicide and a note to go live afterwards. Fuck that. I'll pay, I'll pay half a million dollars. I don't give a fuck. I'll go stream more. I, like, fuck that. No. There's, like, principally, hell no. That's insane to me. But... "Why did Loaner Box et cetera claim to know stuff behind the scenes that wasn't released yet, that would change the whole perspective?" Um, I don't know.
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'Cause he was dating Pxie and she probably told them a bunch of shit. I mean, you're not gonna, like, assume your girlfriend is lying to you or whatever, right? (clears throat) "Is there-""Did Melina participate in this lawsuit or do you suspect so?" Or do you think she's just stayed out of it? She's probably stayed out of it. She's, I think she has her life and she's, like, living her stuff and she's doing her stuff. I doubt she wants anything to do with any of this. And I don't have any, like, ill will against her. I don't hate her or anything like that. We had our breakup. It was dramatic, but that's it. People grow up and we move on. Most of our relationship was fun, like, (laughs) what are you gonna say? "When you say showing Jew stalker's picture, do you mean his profile pic from the DMs or did they somehow leak that pic or we found out he was a three..." Oh.
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Um, no, I meant from the... Showing his profile picture for the DMs was stupid. "She doesn't want to fumble, what she's got going now." Oh, probably, yeah. I, she said as much, I think to the judge. If we get the transcript we'll see it. 'Cause she was saying, like, "The reason why I did this lawsuit is because he has to be stopped. He needs to be punished. And if I don't do this lawsuit, even though..." I think this is what, when she started to break down or whatever, she was like, "If I don't do this, even though I know it's gonna be hard that um, he's gonna keep victimizing women or whatever." And I was like, "Okay, dude." (clears throat) "Oh, no, I meant your ex-wife not being involved." Um, I think that...
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Uh, I mean, like, for all of, w- we, me and Melina's differences or whatever, like, I don't think Melina is, like, publicly, like, a very dramatic person. I d- I don't know if... I don't think she gets much out of that. I don't think she would want to. I, I just, I don't think... It just wouldn't be a thing that I don't think she would be as interested in, yeah. "You think these lawyers might have something personal against you or against your online shit? The arguments they've made seem crazy online." Um, like I said, my guess and the, the feeling that I get, especially with that Joanne Peters, like, her being an immigration lawyer from Puerto Rico, my feeling is that she at least is a family friend. Um, and maybe the attorneys are trying to do, like, a personal favor. Or it might be that the attorneys are, are aware that I have a decent amount of money and they think that if they...
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And th- and this is why they can keep doing this case. If they're doing it pro bono or on a contingency they think that if I settle or they could get some huge payday from it maybe, but... "Seems you can at least recoup attorney's fees for frivolous, malicious filings under Rule 11." Federal Rule Civil Procedure 11. "How likely is it that Joanne is actually Lauren or Lauren is ghostwriting for her?" That, yeah, that can't be the case. Would you really risk your...
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That's like some automatically lose your license shit, I would imagine, right? "Are you going to seek attorney fees when you win?" Um, I have to... Uh, there's, like, a huge personal moment that I have to figure out how I wanna publicly be... Wh- what I want my demeanor to be. (laughs) Of course, all of this when this ends, so... I have the, the angel and the demon. (laughs) So I don't know, I have to think about it.
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"But as a business, don't these lawyers see that they aren't going to get anything? When do they cut their losses?" I mean, I don't think you can just arbitrarily drop your client. There'd probably be an issue with that and it would make you look bad, I would imagine. "After this is behind you, what would be the best way to extort you?" Best...
[00:35:00]
"How do you think you'll rebuild bridges after this? I feel like you had a good thing going, but I feel it's impossible to bring you up without being, like, a sex pest. I feel like you have to, a lot to contribute to the public space, but getting back to mainstream platforms se- impossible." Um, th- for mainstreamish people, I still don't know. This is, like, necessarily broken into that orbit. Um, it'll just depend, I guess, on spam emailers and then how much people give a fuck about that. Like, I, like, I still... I had a conversation with that one dude from The Bulwark. Um, if... I think if I get a really positive outcome from this case, that can mitigate some of it, a decent amount of it. A little bit of it in my world, and hopefully a lot of it in any, like, professional world, but... I think the thing that makes me the most upset, kind of about all of this from like a to- And I re- and I mean, like...
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Also keep in mind that, um, I'm saying all this now, but, like, there is still a world where I get really unlucky and still somehow lose (laughs) the case. That is possible, right? It could be that the judge looks at all this and he's like, "Well, you know, they have weak arguments, but fuck it. We'll pass it through, you know. We'll see what happens because there's not much case law on this." And then it ends up going to trial, and then there's, like, a bunch of jury people, and they're like, "Well, you know, I feel, (sighs) I feel kinda bad for her. Maybe, you know..." Like, there's pop-ups just to be clear. Nothing is 100% when it comes to court stuff. Although, I mean, obviously right now it looks, uh, heavily, heavily slanted towards me. Um, wait, why did I bring that up? All that to say... (coughs) Wait, fuck.
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What was I responding to? I brought that up as a hedge before I was gonna say something. Whatever, must not have been that important. Oh, what most bothered you? Um, the thing that bothers me the most is that there's a world where if me and all of the other people affected by the leaks were together in a joint suit with my New York law firm, um, it's just an, it's an insanely strong case. It's a very strong criminal case. 'Cause when I first contacted the New York law firm, the stuff we were putting together was, um, was a packet for the DOJ. The goal was to ship that to the FBI and get them to take the case on, and, and go criminally after the leaker.
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Uh, because that, it's, that's like a beyond repro- That's like a, that's not just a transmission, a Cardi claim or whatever bullshit. This is like an actual case of like revenge porn, uh, extortion, blackmail, uh, like publication to huge platforms, like interstate, like, i- that's a, that's like a slam dunk, killer case, um, if they, if they take an interest to it. The, what my law firm in New York told me is, it's very, very hard to get the FBI to take an interest in things, um, that aren't literally like fucking serial rape or murder, just 'cause their resources are pretty strained, and online stuff can be hard too. But if it was like me with like three or four other plaintiffs, and all of us are filing that case, like there is a huge criminal case there.
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There's a guaranteed civil case. That's an, that's the easiest win in the world. Like, the solo dude, it will be bankrupt for the next 20 years paying off that judgment. Fucking guaranteed, one million percent. And there's a world where, uh, Kiwi Farms or Joshua I think is held personally liable, uh, because I, I do believe I would have to go through and like read specifically the statutes and then float this by a law firm. But I do believe that he probably forfeited a lot of his Section 230 protections by being made aware by me that there was revenge porn posted on the site, and then by publicly acknowledging that the porn posted was likely non-consensual in nature, and then by actively participating in my thread and being aware that the leaks were non-consensual in nature, but continuing to provide active hosting for them and everything.
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Um, remember, Section 230 protects you as kind of like a neutral hoster of content, not as a content curator or not as a unique publisher or anything like that. So, when he starts taking steps to... You know how I say that like for DMCA stuff, the reason why c- uh, platforms won't, like, proactively take stuff down, um, before like content ID and everything counts 'cause, well, if you take down some stuff but not other stuff, well people are gonna say, "Oh, excuse me. You're literally, you're curating content now, and some of this is illegal, and now you could be held personally liable." And for him to just account wall the revenge porn, which he did, he just made it available on an account, says something about, I just think it speaks to his knowledge of the material. And I think that there is a big liability potentially for Kiwi Farms or Joshua for that too. I think there's a lot of crazy stuff like that.
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But now if I, if I go through with that case, it's just gonna be me on my own, and then civilly the cases probably I guess would be weakened. I don't know if you can reference other lawsuit. You must be able to, right? It's probably gonna be weakened to some extent by, um, the leaker or Kiwi Farms saying, "Oh, well, look, all these other women sued him. Like he's just trying to pass the buck or whatever." Um, you get into weird arguments about like foreseeability, proximate harm, like, well, you know, who's at fault, what percentage of liability. Like, the, the civil case I think is weakened quite a bit, and the criminal case is not as interesting because now there's a singular, um, there's a singular injured party who is, uh, claiming the other side is solely responsible, and then, yeah. So everything just got... And, and the only reason all of this happened, the only reason all of this happened is because people are so deranged and hate me so fucking much, and in order, in their brains I can't possibly be the victim of anything ever.
[00:40:20]
It's always my fault, I'm always an evil, malicious, lying, manipulating, horrible, crazy person. Everything is like planned and plotted because of me. So like because of that, because of that narrative, because they think they stand to gain so much by, you know, taking me out, um, yeah, they basically destroyed any of the harmed parties' ability to recoup anything on this. Like, at the end of the day, it's basically like, um, it's like ordering pizzas to my house. Like, I'm, I'm gonna be fine regardle- even if I have to retire I'm gonna be fine. But for everybody else that got fucked in this, well, they all get nothing now. They get nothing. 'Cause I'm not working with any of the witnesses on this case, obviously. I'm not working with any Doe, obviously. Right? So even if I did go after this guy in a civil sense, they don't get anything from it. They're not gonna, they don't stand to gain anything from it. Um, and then criminally there probably will never be repercussions for the guy that did everything.
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So it's just like completely... Yeah, they just, they, they, the people involved who were like obsessively deranged haters of mine sunk and destroyed like any chance of any of those people getting any sort of justice or any actual justice being delivered to the guy who did it, so what are you gonna do? "Jstlk’s repeatedly said he will coordinate mass emailing campaigns of any mainstream person you collaborate with in the future. Eventually you must confront him the Jstlk question." Um, I'll wait till this case is over. I mean, like I said, his, all of his shit is already out there. So. Um, I think he's spam calling the FBI about me too.
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Like, uh, they woke me up this morning. We had a wonderful chat. But hey, I have a First Amendment, baby. To be clear, when I say his stuff is out there, I mean that like people have seen all the fucked up, um, retarded shit that he's said and been involved in. Not that anybody should do anything violent or mean or evil or anything like that. I would never encourage that. We're a peaceful type here, okay? The Dali ban, if you open the mouth of a Dali ban-er, all of the teeth are flat. They're molars 'cause we're vegans. We're plant eaters here. Peaceful types. "Like the red pill dudes for example, you go on some Andrew Tate-esque platform, they can just repeatedly throw this in your face and you, what can you really say?" Uh, I mean, well, if I win my case I can say, "Well, hey, the legal system worked." It is kind of sad/funny though that-I think Dress Pearly Things had Pxie on her show and I think she literally told Pxie, "You're gonna me too some guy in the future, I know it." (laughs) Which is...
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Jesus. "What is your under- understanding of how plaintiff reconciles doing this because she has a moral obligation to stop you from doing this again? If she did the very same thing, would she say that someone should hold her accountable too, and do a civil suit against her?" Um, I- I don't know what's going on in her mind. I don't know how much she believes or just how much is real versus how much she's... Like, she is legitimately like way more fucking progressive or left-leaning than she was when she was in my world.
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We remember we had the whole Tara Reade argument. There are a couple other funny things too. Who knows if... Like, this is kind of pathetic. Did I bring this up yesterday or did we... Or a few days ago after my court thing? I don't remember if we talked about this or not. This is astounding to me. This is actually so crazy to me. I don't- I don't know what is happening here. Like I don't know if she's- if they're legitimately this stupid or if it's all a troll, um... Did I mention that she said that... Oh no, I think it might have even been one of their filings, that- that a lot of the- most of the people that sent her messages saying, "Oh my God, um, Destiny sent me videos of you by the way," just deleted their fucking accounts after she made her Substack.
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And it's like, was this not an indication to you that it's possible that you're being like epically trolled? Are you actually serious right now? Like, are you really this naive or this stupid that you- that... But... You didn't ring the bell. Okay, yeah. "But do you think people, at least other creators, care about the legal verdict or where the impetus for the legal case comes from?" Um, maybe, uh, hopefully. Just have to write a good summary judgment. I'm sure this is ending soon, okay? Oh, my God. "How does Destiny generate this level of blind hatred from people?" I think there's just a lot of like really unfortunate things that come together. I've already gone over all this in the past. I have a certain personality type that is... I've said this, if you agree with me, I'm based, but if you disagree with me, I'm very fucking annoying. Um, I think I probably don't set good boundaries with people. Um, I don't map cleanly onto any political camp, so if you're willing to trash me, there's always a huge community reward for it.
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I used to cover a huge variety of content and some of it was like the most, uh, crazy drama slop content, and that draws like a certain type of audience, a certain style of audience. Um, I'm very, very open about, or I was very open about almost all aspects of my personal life, so very easy to like mine that for content for stuff if you wanna speculate or gossip or anything, so. I'm sure these guys will be done soon, okay? "Were you aware that other creators may come in and help float her case financially just to drag it out?" Um, I don't know.
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I w- I will say, I didn't wanna jinx myself in the beginning, I don't know if I said this earlier, but, um, I thought my haters would fundraise more to- to destroy me. So fuck my haters. They're claiming that motion to seal granted. Is that true? Who is they? I don't know why you keep saying that. Unless that thing was literally filed in the last five minutes, that's just a proposed order. I don't know, you're a pretty typical moderate liberal now. Um, yeah, but there are like no moderate liberals that are like famous online. Except for them that are totally disconnected from this world, right? Everybody's either a tankie or they're some kind of like MAGA.
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Oh my God, Natalie Wynn, joining the neoliberal world order. "Did she accomplish her quasi goal somewhat though? If I were you, I'd be a lot more careful with showing sexual videos to friends." I mean, the problem with that statement is that this is like probably the most red-pilled, I guess, uh, thing, like f- reality of this, is it takes a super misandrist brain, a super like broken human being to see a guy who has had videos of him sucking cock leaked online that are being sent to his family members, that everybody in the internet is tweeting and retweeting and attacking him with, and then thinking, "Wow, this guy is definitely not being punished at all.
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I, a woman, need to come. I, a white woman, need to come and- and make sure that he understands he's done something wrong." Like, that is an unbelievably unhinged and unbelievably self-centered take. But that's just my opinion, you know? (clears throat) (keyboard clicking) Oh, and then the, um, "Would your approach to discussions be more leaning towards good faith by default?" I, I think generally, yeah.
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One of the, um... Sorry, okay, last meme and then we're moving from this. I don't wanna do all this every day, sorry. (laughs) Something that I thought was funny, I have this conversation with so many people in my personal life, and then they always, like, laugh, um, because they're like, "Oh, no," like... Hold on. (keyboard clicking) It was when, uh, it was when Pxie was a, was talking to me about some other dumb shit that was happening. "Do you think streaming attracts, uh, those types of people, or do you think it's an unintended consequence of most people not being used to poly stuff?" And I said, "I have no idea, honestly. I've met lots of crazy people. Outside of streaming, uh, I just hate everyone, I don't know, LOL." And then she says, "I think you've just had way too many bad experiences with people. Do you think it's strange that you're so, uh, open despite disliking people?" And I said, "Nah, I just don't really care about other people's opinions, so it's, y- always fun and interesting to share stuff." Uh, she said, "You say you don't really care, but it seems like a lot of people have betrayed you and caused you some level of hurt before. You said earlier you've gotten disappointed because people look for other opportunities. What do you mean by that?" And I say, "Uh, my expectations are so low, so it doesn't really hurt that much. I just kind of expect it now, LOL. Um, I mean, when someone feels like they can get big or do something with more opportunity, they'll run off and do that, 100%." And she said, "I wanna give you a hug." I said, "Ah, it's okay." And she said, "No, it's not. You mightn't expect it, but that's still sad. It's not okay to deal with so many people like that." (laughs) Jesus Christ. I've had this conversation with so many people, like, "Oh, no, I would never do that or say anything or do crazy shit publicly." I'm like, "It's all good, dude. We're all on, we're all on timers." Oh, then my favorite meme, I didn't even realize this. (laughs) I'm sorry, my last, this is my final meme from this. (clears throat) Um, when we did meet up in real life. "Yes, I'm here in the lobby." "Uh, oh, do you want me to come downstairs, blah, blah, blah?" And she's like, "I'm all the way up." (laughs) The date that we met in real life was in the year 2020, on 9/11. I feel like that's lazy writing. I feel like that's too on the nose.
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It was September 11th, 2020. (sighs) (laughs) "Have you ever betrayed someone for personal gain, and if not, then why not?" I mean, I feel like I try to be, like, a little Machiavellian person or whatever. But I, like, I guess the way that I always see it in my mind is that if I were to start betraying people that nobody would trust me in the future on anything. That's, like, generally my perspective. Not to say that I, again... It's so funny 'cause people look at you, like, making a mistake or fucking up and they're like, "Oh," like you don't believe any of this. Well, no, it's also possible you could just, like, m- fuck up. Like, I'm sure I've fucked up before, obviously. But, um, if you just, like, openly betray or backstab, like, a ton of people, this is why I, like, don't shit on most people ever.
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Um, except, like, uh, like, I don't, I tend not to hold grudges. It's not even just that, like, I'm too forgiving, although maybe I am, but it's also it just looks bad, right? Um, like, uh, like even, like, we brought up Melina earlier. Like, yeah, obviously our breakup was kinda crazy and there was a lot of dumb stuff there, but, like, I don't shit on her all the time. In fact, I'm pretty sure if I, if I ever bring up Melina or if I've ever brought her up in the last, like, several months, it's usually just been to say something about how she'd streamed or something positive about her or whatever. It's not I'm, I'm just shitting on her. I just, I think it looks bad and I think it hurts other people's trust, you know, but I don't know, may- I guess maybe people don't think about it or maybe people don't give a fuck. Who knows? Whatever. (clears throat) "Do keep in mind that these experiences might genuinely make you believe no one will ever not treat (clears throat), not treat you like this." (coughs) Jesus.
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"Like, how do you not start believing and that's just the way things are?" As long as I always have my chat, as long as I got my DGGers. That was a hard one. We're good, guys. "Are you all actually gonna pursue sanctions?" I have no idea. I might ask my attorney at the end. We'll see. "Is your motivation not to shit on others entirely self-interested or is it some virtue you hold?" I mean, at the foundation of all of my ethics there's gonna be some self-interested rationalization.
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I'm sure intuitively it just doesn't feel good to hold so much hatred in your heart. What is the quote that, um...Holding a grudge is like drinking a vial of poison and expecting the other person to die. Um, I don't know. If you walk around, like, mad at the world and mad at everybody else and resentful and bitter and spiteful, I think it just, it comes out of your life in a lot of different ways. It's not good. And there's, like, so much other... Like, why would I wanna be angry and mad and upset all the time at everybody? It's just, I think it's a really bad way to navigate the world. And it also causes you to lose sight of how to navigate future situations better.
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So, like, I like looking at my relationship with Melina, right? There were, obviously there were cons. Um, but if I were to go back and be like, "Actually, she was a crazy, horrible, stupid bitch the entire time. I fucking hated her the entire time from the very beginning." People will rewrite relationships some- sometimes like that. Well, there's two questions. So one is like, well, what the fuck was I doing the whole time? She was evil for five years. Why... Was I just a fucking retard? And then two, how can I possibly avoid getting into that situation again in the future if this person was so clearly and obviously hor- Like, that's obviously not the case, right? Relationships are complicated. People are complicated. Most relationships are more good than bad, especially if they've lasted for a long time, so you know. "Have you had any past experience with holding too much hatred that ended you up in a ci- shitty situation?" No, um, not generally, I don't think.
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I just, I'm just not generally that kind of person. "I feel like all of this boils down to you being on the Darius side of the Darius-Aella spectrum of promiscuity. High promiscuity environments tend to breed more drama, and you basically stand to lose more in high volatility environments because of the nature of your work." While that might be true, I don't understand the Darius-Aella spectrum of promiscuity. Aren't they both on one si- the same side of the spectrum? Aren't they both, like, rel- highly promiscuous people? "What do you think caused her to 180 on you after she was working with you initially?
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Was she really that mind fucked?" My guess, just in the difference in how DMs went and the fact that Lauren messaged me on the 11th, I think that Lauren DeLaguna probably got to her, and I think Lauren super, like, dug her claws in. And as soon as she did that, you gotta understand, there's a whole community of people that are ready to try to take me down at any point of time. Remember, not... Um, also some people accuse me of not talking about this because I, the facts aren't on my side and I'm scared of her. The reason why I don't bring up anything related to Cherry is 'cause she has her own shit going on. If we end up fighting that out in the future, like, we'll fucking find out in the future. I'm glad to take that fight, but if she's not, like, um, a- I just, there's no reason to, like, poke that a ton. But if you look at the Cherry situation, right?
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When Cherry had to step back and take a break, what did she say (laughs)? What did she tweet out? And this is just what we saw on Twitter, that Jstlk told her that she would... And these are public tweets. This isn't private or something. Jstlk told her he would be her private, her personal Dr. K to help her, like, try to take me down. So, as soon as, uh, Lauren DeLaguna sunk her claws into Pxie, I'm sure there were a ton of other people ready to go behind that. So, yeah. So who knows, like, how many people, uh, are, are in that world or whatever, you know? And then combined with who knows how many people from... And, you know, listen, props to the kiwi farmers, okay?
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Who knows how many of them were creating fake accounts and, like, messaging, uh, Pxie, you know, saying like, "Oh, my God, you sent me your videos too? Ah." Right? Who knows? Um, yeah. "Genuine question, do you think there should ever be a limit that can be crossed to invoke a petty grudge? And could it be justified even though it comes off a bit petty?" I mean, if a limit has been crossed, then it's not really petty at that point, right? It's justified, no? "What has been the most frustrating part about all of this for you?
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I think what drove me insane is the massive amounts of goalpost moving and judgments that got thrown around at the start. It genuinely felt like a critical thinking exercise on whether or not you could avoid virtue signaling for a topic that almost demands it." I think the biggest issue, I think the biggest issue for me, and this will be an issue going forward, and it'll, unfortunately it'll be an issue that I have to recommend to people going forward, is I think a lot of what happened in this particular case, I'm talking about it like it's over. It's not really over yet, but a lot of it was really, like, the worst case, almost meme tier shit that could happen. Like, when people are like, when you get in a car accident with somebody, don't get out and be like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry," 'cause you'll get convicted of, like, being at fault or whatever. I don't believe that's actually true. I don't think that is generally true. Like, an utterance like that I don't think can be used to convict you, um, or, or, or cause you to be accountable for behavior.
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I don't think that's generally true either way. I think in Canada they even have a name for this. Um, but even in the US, I don't, I don't think that's the way it works. But the fact that, um, like, there are, there are, like, two messages that I sent to Pxie. She, like, they tried to bring this up in a, in a court environment, (sighs) where I, where I get to address it clearly, frankly, head-on, feels so good to not have random dipshits. Um, one was, uh-One was me saying that, um, "Oh," like, "I'm super sorry." Like, you know, "There's no excuse. This is..." blah, blah, blah. Like, if you read my message, uh, like it's very obvious that what I'm talking about is like, th- this person should have never been like publishing shit online. 'Cause right after I say that, like, "I'm so sorry, there's no excuse," or whatever, um, like I knew this person per- uh, I knew this person pretty well.
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I didn't think that they would e- anything like this would ever happen. It doesn't make sense that I'm... Like, it doesn't make sense that I'm saying, like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry I shared this without your permission, but I thought I could trust that per-" Like, it doesn't make sense, right? The, "I'm sorry" is because, like, "I'm sorry shit got leaked." That g- genuinely sucks, right? Like that's always... But that's like always going to be the case. Um, like if somebody... Like I, I've said this before on stream. Like if somebody stole my phone or if somebody hacked my computer or hacked my Google Drive, like I would type the same message. Like, "Holy shit, I'm so sorry." Like, "There's no excuse." Like, "This is horrible." Like, "My bad," like, "Let me..." But for ins- like people like to read that as like, "Oh, he's admitting here that he did this," blah, blah, blah. And then there's a message that I had between where me and Erin, where Erin had typed out like, uh, "You obviously shared her stuff non-consensually." Um, or she put that at the end of her message.
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And people can say whether I'm lying or not, but I don't give a fuck. People can post my messages. I had to... (laughs) People already do post mine. I do this shit all the time. But like I'm responding to her message as I'm getting it. Um, I don't even... We don't ever talk about like the non-consensual, uh, claim because one, because one, it's just not worth arguing at that point in time. What am I gonna do? Have this argument? But, um, two, the stuff that I'm responding to... Oh yeah, here. I guess I responded to this. People like to throw... There's like two messages people like to throw like, "Oh, he already admitted to everything." So she's like, which is probably extremely... Oh. "What do you think would be the appropriate way of even approaching her about that?" Oh, because we were talking about like, what can I do to like help her out? Because obviously I feel bad that her shit got leaked. And Erin is like, "It's probably extremely difficult to prove in her case.
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She's not a high profile micro-celebrity and you didn't leak it maliciously. You didn't even leak it at all. You distributed it non-consensually." So generally when I get messages, I just respond to them from like start to finish, right? So her case was extremely difficult to prove and I knew she had no case at all 'cause I'd looked into it. Um. Oh, and I even followed that up with a two here. I was like, "Yeah, I know. I looked into it for obvious reasons just to be sure, but I really don't care much about the legal side of it or whatever." Um, and then obviously I've severely at the very least psychologically damaged her. Recovering therapy or whatever is the minimum. Like, there's a set of actions that I took which was, um, communicating with this realized person and as a result, a whole bunch of fucking explicit material got leaked. But people like read this as though, again, I would like... It would be the same shit if my Google Drive got leaked or whatever else. Um, none of our conversations early on, not with me, not with Erin, not with Pxie, and that's why none of these conversations exist and it's why nothing got leaked and it's why nothing came out, um, in- immediately after November where like, "Oh my God," like, "I didn't give you permission to share this.
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Why would you do that?" Or like, "Oh my God," like, "I know I wasn't supposed to." Like, there's no messages like that ever. Now you can say that's just because I'm a master Machiavelli manipulator and then the other side was too emotional to bring that up. But, um, yeah. "Is it true that she shared videos of you without written or spoken consent? She just assumed it would be fine?" Uh, yes and that will be in the transcript. Um, do I want to say more about that or not? I don't know if I've said more about that or not. I don't think I'll say anything more about that. I'll just leave that there since it's like central to the Cardi claims. But yes, that is correct. That will be in the transcript, yeah. "Why do you say you violated her trust in that message, though?" Because when somebody does something with you or somebody records explicit content or has stuff like that with you, they're trusting you to, to safeguard it and to make sure that just like shit doesn't get leaked.
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Um, and if it does, I mean like if you're like the safe keeper or the guardian or whatever of that content, then I mean, yeah, you're kind of fucked up. You... Regard- It doesn't matter if... Well, I mean it would. Obviously sending stuff non-consensually is not good. But like even if somebody like, you know, stole it or hacked an account or whatever like that, like it fuck you, you still like kind of fucked up, you know? "You changed your Opsec?" Yeah, I wiped my fucking DMs with basically every single person (laughs) on all my platforms like as of a year ago or whatever. Or as of like January 1st or whatever. "Now what?" Now we just stream and we chill.
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We take deep breaths and we wait for all of our... (clears throat) Oh my god. Uh-oh. "Are there small signs of her behavior, of her eventual behavior that you'd be able to recognize in hindsight?" I don't know if it's possible to know all of that.
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I think there are just certain safeguards. I think like things... It sounds cringe and I don't want to sound like a fucking hot shot or whatever. Like I think like NDAs are probably important and that I understand why like celebs only mess with other celebs is 'cause you want to always be messing with people. When I say mess with, I don't even mean necessarily sexually, but you always want to have connections with people who have something to lose. You don't ever want to be in a fight with somebody or ever juxtaposed, um, with somebody who has nothing to lose 'cause then it's like, like it's no holds barred and they can say and do whatever the fuck they want with no reputational risk 'cause they have none anyway and that's like the worst. It's always the worst world to be in. "Why did you never respond to Loner Box's underhanded tactics?
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You let him get away scot-free with all the stuff he did to you." I don't think Loner Box did much. Yeah, I think Loner Box's statements were probably the most fair-ish out of everybody. Like he didn't say too much, but he's also in an uncomfortable spot because he's, um... I mean he was... They, they were, they were dating and all that bullshit, so. But whatever. "Are there any other adult friends in your life? To me most of the friends involved A, they're publi-" Oh no, no. I have like a set of like real life normie friends now that you will never know about, that no one will ever know about. I take a bunch of psychedelic mushrooms, I sit in my living room and then I chat with the voices in my head for... Let me get a Red Bull, hold on. They keep saying, "You're saying X, Y, Z to control your audience/control the narrative.
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Makes me feel really retarded." Yeah. But again, I'm just trying to read through things... I, I need to keep applying the, um, projection lens, um, 'cause I'm trying to figure out, like, why do people say things they do? And I realize for Kiwi Farms, their obsession is that they have a perspective on a person, and they want to have that perspective. That has to be the true perspective, and there can be no other ones. So, whenever somebody contradicts it, they immediately project what they do. "Oh, my God. They're trying to control the narrative and blah, blah, blah." Like, that's always the go-to and somehow that's supposed to be an argument. But the reality is 'cause they wanna be the ones to write the story about everything. Oh, and then I also figured that out too. I checked yesterday 'cause I was curious. I was like, "When is the last, uh... When is the last cosplay thing that Kelly Jean posted or whatever?" And I think it's like years ago, because I don't know where this new thing came from where...
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And their server, for some reason, they call- they just like, obsessively call me fat and I have no idea where this came from or why. Like, I think Kelly's name in Jstlk's Discord server is like, DestinyIsFat. And I'm like, I've weighed like 150 to 155 for the past like two years. And- and... But it's probably because she's gotten fat and that's why, like, she hasn't done any, like, cosplay shit. I don't even know if she cams up anymore. It's 'cause she's probably gained a lot of weight 'cause of all of her fake medical conditions, so... That's how it makes sense. Oh, I... Like, I- I was super open about my- the hair stuff. Um, I have an autoimmune condition called alopecia areata, which I didn't know anything about until I researched it 'cause the doctor I went to didn't say fuck all about it.
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But as my, uh... As my hair is, it's like- it's mostly regrown. I'm still waiting for a few more to come in. But like, people are like, "I think he's coloring his hair in now. I think he's trying to fill it in or he's using a marker or something." It's like, why would I say anything at all then in the first place? I would have just... Like, okay, dude. Whatever. Whatever. Anyway, okay. We already watched this yesterday.
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Legal Mindset said, "You're cooked." Has he done a recent commentary or was that just when he first covered it? Um, 'cause I know that he went over this when the stuff first dropped, but this was back when everybody was saying I- I didn't have a legal team at all and I was gonna represent myself pro se and I was gonna get, like... I don't know. And now it's switched to my legal team is too good. So, whatever. Are the Kelly Jean is old memes real? Like, is she 40 plus? I think she's 38. I have to go back and check or something, but I don't know.
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