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Should be a wild four years.

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You imagine trying to explain this image to a caveman?

"Alright so in my village we all pick a handful of leaders from among ourselves, following me so far Grug?"

"Grug, follows, pretty basic"

"Alright, so we can ask him questions and tell him our opinions and stuff like that, all still making sense?"

"Grug gets it, not complex system"

"well alright you say that, so after a few hundred years they kinda get tired of having to deal with all our questions and stuff so they slowly make it harder and harder to communicate with them and they are in luck cause at that same time long distance communication became "the fashion" in my time, anyway we found a way to make rocks answer our question when we shock them with lighting and so now the leaders want us to direct our questions to the rock."

"hmmm, Grug sees how thats a little more complicated than originally thought, Grug curious how good the answers the rock gives?"
Encino Man for the modern audience?
 

Mistakenly deported Salvadoran native Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on his way back to the United States where he will face criminal charges for allegedly transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., according to sources familiar with the matter.

More than two months after the Trump administration admitted it mistakenly deported Abrego Garcia from Maryland to his native El Salvador, a federal grand jury has indicted him for allegedly transporting undocumented migrants within the United States, ABC News has learned.

A two-count indictment, which was filed under seal in federal court in Tennessee last month, alleges Abrego Garcia, 29, participated in a years-long conspiracy to haul undocumented migrants from Texas to the interior of the country, according to sources briefed on the indictment.

The alleged conspiracy spanned nearly a decade and involved the domestic transport of thousands of non-citizens, including some children, from Mexico and Central America, according to sources.

Among those allegedly transported were members of the Salvadoran gang MS-13, sources familiar with the investigation said.


Abrego Garcia, a Salvadoran native who had been living with his wife and children in Maryland, was deported in March to El Salvador's CECOT mega-prison -- despite a 2019 court order barring his deportation to that country due to fear of persecution -- after the Trump administration claimed he was a member of the criminal gang MS-13. His wife and attorneys deny that he is an MS-13 member.

The Justice Department's move to criminally prosecute Abrego Garcia represents the most aggressive step yet in the administration's efforts to gather potentially incriminating information about Abrego Garcia's background, following a federal judge's order requiring the government to facilitate his return to the U.S. to be afforded due process in deportation proceedings.


Abrego Garcia is on his way back to the U.S. to face the charges following high-level diplomatic discussions between the Trump administration and the government of El Salvador, sources familiar with the matter said.

The Trump administration has acknowledged in court filings that Abrego Garcia's removal to El Salvador in March was in error, because it violated a U.S. immigration court order in 2019 that shielded Abrego Garcia from deportation to his native country, according to immigration court records. An immigration judge had determined that Abrego Garcia would likely face persecution there by local gangs that had allegedly terrorized him and his family.

The administration has argued, however, that Abrego Garcia should not be returned to the U.S. because he is a member of the transnational Salvadoran gang MS-13, a claim his family and attorneys have denied. In recent weeks, Trump administration officials have been publicizing Abrego Garcia's interactions with police over the years, despite a lack of corresponding criminal charges.


In March, Abrego Garcia's family filed a lawsuit over his deportation. U.S. District Judge Paula Xinis in Maryland ultimately ordered the Trump administration to facilitate his return to the U.S. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed that ruling on April 10.


Abrego Garcia was initially sent to El Salvador's notorious CECOT prison but was believed to have later been transferred to a different facility in the country.

The criminal investigation that led to the charges was launched in April as federal authorities began scrutinizing the circumstances of a 2022 traffic stop of Abrego Garcia by the Tennessee Highway Patrol, according to the sources. Abrego Garcia was pulled over for speeding in a vehicle with eight passengers and told police they had been working construction in Missouri.


According to body camera footage of the 2022 traffic stop, the Tennessee troopers -- after questioning Abrego Garcia -- discussed among themselves their suspicions that Abrego Garcia might be transporting people for money because nine people were traveling without luggage, but Abrego Garcia was not ticketed or charged.

The officers ultimately allowed Abrego Garcia to drive on with just a warning about an expired driver's license, according to a report about the stop released last month by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.


As ABC News first reported last month, the Justice Department had been quietly investigating the incident. As part of the probe, federal agents in late April visited a federal prison in Talladega, Alabama to question Jose Ramon Hernandez-Reyes, a convicted felon who was the registered owner of the vehicle Abrego Garcia was driving when stopped on Interstate 40 east of Nashville, sources previously told ABC News. Hernandez-Reyes was not present at the traffic stop.

Hernandez-Reyes, 38, is currently serving a 30-month sentence for illegally re-entering the U.S. after a prior felony conviction for illegal transportation of aliens.

After being granted limited immunity, Hernandez-Reyes allegedly told investigators that he previously operated a "taxi service" based in Baltimore. He claimed to have met Abrego Garcia around 2015 and claimed to have hired him on multiple occasions to transport undocumented migrants from Texas to various locations in the United States, sources told ABC News.


When details of the Tennessee traffic stop were first publicized, Abrego Garcia's wife said her husband sometimes transported groups of fellow construction workers between job sites.

"Unfortunately, Kilmar is currently imprisoned without contact with the outside world, which means he cannot respond to the claims," Jennifer Vasquez Sura said in mid-April.


Abrego Garcia entered the U.S. illegally as a teenager in 2012, according to court records. He has been living in Maryland for the past 13 years, and married Vasquez Sura, a U.S. citizen, in 2019. The couple has one child together.
 
I struggle to think of something gayer than trying to talk down to someone with a newer join date on a gossip forum than you.
Its possible It was on me for how I constructed that thought but good golly Ive seen about 3 different takes on it that are all different and so far removed from what I was trying to say

Im just going to try to clear it up, the WHOLE point im trying to make is that if the powers that be want to they have the ability and the backing to remove any content they want from the internet AND ON TOP OF THAT stop your ability to reorganize online, the farms issue is a bad example because that was public pressure/capitalism at play not some top down silencing effort.

NIST has the power and ability to hardware ban ANY forward facing server from DNS at the click of a button, hell there are only 13 PRIMARY DNS servers, you could remove whole NATIONS by closing their connection to their associated root server, this goes double for any host or service provider, and even for local vendors. There is so many ways the angry pixies we use to talk on the internet can be taken away.
 
now has elon said anything or has he been put on permanent time out by his shareholders?
He's just been retweeting passive aggressive shit from people saying "The BBB doesn't have any favors for Elon in it!" and "Trump is mean to Elon :( ". He's a bit pathetic right now. Funny enough though it looks like SpaceX had a launch today and he's been Xeeting about that too, I guess Elon shutting down SpaceX to own Trump didn't age well.
 
“Marissa” Rothenberger, a biological male, just single-handedly led Champlin Park to a 6-0 shutout to win the Minnesota Girls’ State Championship.

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“There are real problems in girls and women’s sports, trans kids playing isn’t one of them.”

Every single Democrat voted to strike down protections in girls’ sports.

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Hope letting that troon play was worth losing federal grants.
 
This exactly, Massie was actually one of the few guys I liked in congress to an absolute abject mongoloid retard. He went from principled small government guy to a never trump faggot who desperately wanted Desantis to win, and he's salty Desantis got his shit pushed in.
Interesting, I never knew he was a DeSantis fanboy. Was this due to any deeper connection that you are aware of or is it a straightforward ideological alignment? Or does Massie just really hate Trump? I appreciate you and @Fishmalk Observer answering my question.

Edit to quickly add: I was a little surprised DeSantis didn't do any better in the 2024 primary. I didn't think he would win, but I expected him to perform better.
 
"Elon criticizes congress, not Trump
Trump then attacked Elon personally"

Elons reply "Exactly"


No Elon, Trump said you were pissy about EV credits and that he could end your Government contracts. He didn't attack you personally, he attacked your business.

If you can attack his work trying to get a bill passed, why the hell can't he turn it around on you?
You're just mad that you spent a lot of money on the campaign, not realizing that you weren't buying Trump.
 
Its possible It was on me for how I constructed that thought but good golly Ive seen about 3 different takes on it that are all different and so far removed from what I was trying to say

Im just going to try to clear it up, the WHOLE point im trying to make is that if the powers that be want to they have the ability and the backing to remove any content they want from the internet AND ON TOP OF THAT stop your ability to reorganize online, the farms issue is a bad example because that was public pressure/capitalism at play not some top down silencing effort.

NIST has the power and ability to hardware ban ANY forward facing server from DNS at the click of a button, hell there are only 13 PRIMARY DNS servers, you could remove whole NATIONS by closing their connection to their associated root server, this goes double for any host or service provider, and even for local vendors. There is so many ways the angry pixies we use to talk on the internet can be taken away.
Not even Russia has gotten their Internet disconnected. Calm down. The situation is bad, but if the situation was that bad, Null would be talking about it every fucking day.
 
Mistakenly deported Salvadoran native Kilmar Abrego Garcia is on his way back to the United States where he will face criminal charges for allegedly transporting undocumented migrants within the U.S., according to sources familiar with the matter.
Is it only the Democrat base that is still buying that?
 
@SIGSEV got what he deserved. Josh got a court order. He honored it. That has always been a site rule. That nigger glowposted way too hard.
Not saying I agree or disagree with that take but if you believe that (witch I respect) please explain what made what he said not free speech


But this is just fine to post

This isent a gotcha or anything, Im curious from your perspective what the difference was. Im kinda a free speech purist but even I agree you have to draw the line at direct threats of violence but even there you run into issues of jokes, social commentary, and just raw free speech being important.

Is it ok to make a cartoon in a news paper about blowing up an elementy school full of students? Is that a call to violence or is it art? Bill Waterson would say its art, and art is protected right? But art isent even enumerated in the bill of rights as a protected right so how much more should speech be?
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Hope im making my point well and not trying to make you feel you should agree with me or feel wrong, its a HIGHLY COMPLEX issue and I feel constructive and respectful discourse isent just important but necessary
 
Bannon is correct. The Defense Production Act could take over SpaceX. There is nothing "illegial" about it. Its more of a wartime law, but it is still law. If musk wants to fuck with the military putting satelites in orbit, something Space Force no doubt would take issue with, they WILL take over, and Musk can do nothing.
 
Not saying I agree or disagree with that take but if you believe that (witch I respect) please explain what made what he said not free speech
as I understand the criteria are:

>statement of intent
>specifying location
>specifying time

Sam Hyde doesn't fall under that because he never specified a time
 
Not saying I agree or disagree with that take but if you believe that (witch I respect) please explain what made what he said not free speech


But this is just fine to post

This isent a gotcha or anything, Im curious from your perspective what the difference was. Im kinda a free speech purist but even I agree you have to draw the line at direct threats of violence but even there you run into issues of jokes, social commentary, and just raw free speech being important.

Is it ok to make a cartoon in a news paper about blowing up an elementy school full of students? Is that a call to violence or is it art? Bill Waterson would say its art, and art is protected right? But art isent even enumerated in the bill of rights as a protected right so how much more should speech be?
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Hope im making my point well and not trying to make you feel you should agree with me or feel wrong, its a HIGHLY COMPLEX issue and I feel constructive and respectful discourse isent just important but necessary
Im not going to argue speech with you. Josh got a court order. He followed it. Failure to follow it would result in termination of the site. If you are so mad, talk to dear feeder. Also Sam Hyde did that in another country and immediately booked a flight back home, in which time the law couldn't catch him. Sam got away with it by being lucky and quick on his feet. Glowniggery on a plain text website in the aftermath of Jan 6 was not a smart move. Sig got what he deserved. Then came back. Then got banned again for being fucking retarded. Now he's Onion farm's problem.
 
I guess the people in control are just as fucking wild as anyone else.
that's no mistake. the people that rule over you work very, very hard to make you think they're different or special in some way. they're just people. they have the same vices and weaknesses that every other single human does

I struggle to think of something gayer than trying to talk down to someone with a newer join date on a gossip forum than you.
that's why i talk down to people with older reg dates than me. the future is now, old fag
 
Bannon is correct. The Defense Production Act could take over SpaceX. There is nothing "illegial" about it. Its more of a wartime law, but it is still law. If musk wants to fuck with the military putting satelites in orbit, something Space Force no doubt would take issue with, they WILL take over, and Musk can do nothing.
That would end up being a highly controversial issue though, that almost certainly would make Elon and the Democrats team up, and the Democrats will be completely vindicated for a lot of people. They would probably even make a movie about it. I think it's a moot point because I don't think SpaceX shareholders would allow it to get to that point in the first place after all this time and progress being made, though I'm no expert on the topic.
 
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