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Should be a wild four years.

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Current members of the House of Representatives
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Members of the Trump Administration
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Someone in this administration understands marketing much fucking better than everyone else in politics does.
I was thinking that earlier when i saw one of the videos that the whitehouse has put out. someone posted it here. Made me think how good their propaganda guy is. Im using the word propaganda in its neutral sense.
 
Before the thread gets going really fast, here's a couple of LA Times articles from today:

Division, distrust roil L.A. as federal troops arrive amid limited coordination with local police
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Hannah Fry, Rebecca Ellis, Richard Winton, Nathan Solis and Noah Goldberg
2025-06-10 22:54:16GMT
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Military vehicles depart Twentynine Palms’ Marine base and head west Monday evening. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times)

U.S. Marines arrived in Los Angeles on Tuesday amid growing concerns about a lack of coordination and communication between local police and the federal forces.

The Trump administration has vowed to send 4,000 National Guard troops and 700 Marines to Los Angeles to protect immigration agents and federal buildings from protests, some of which have turned violent. But there remains something of a mystery about exactly where the forces are being stationed and exactly what they will do.

Local law enforcement sources said coordination between police and the feds has been limited, a distinct contrast to other times troops have hit the streets of L.A. including in 2020 during George Floyd demonstrations and amid the 1992 riots. Such a large federal force has raised eyebrows because most of the clashes have occurred in a relatively small part of downtown Los Angeles as opposed to scattered across the city. L.A. police commanders have at times felt stretched as they deal with rowdy crowds at night that vandalize and steal from buildings, the sources said, but they believe local authorities are much better equipped to bring order than outside forces.

Police stepped up arrests Monday night and sources said officials are considering a nightly curfew in some parts of downtown.

“The possible arrival of federal military forces in Los Angeles — absent clear coordination — presents a significant logistical and operational challenge for those of us tasked with safeguarding this city,” L.A. Police Chief Jim McDonnell said. “The Los Angeles Police Department, alongside our mutual aid partners, have decades of experience managing public demonstrations, and we remain confident in our ability to do so effectively and professionally.”

Local police have long vowed not to be involved in immigrant enforcement activities. So they have little readout about where the actions are taking place.

“We never know when, we never know how long,” L.A. Mayor Karen Bass said of the raids during a news conference on Tuesday. “But that very notion creates such a terrible sense of fear in our city, and it’s just not right to do that to a population who’s trying to survive.”

Up to now, the LAPD, L.A. County Sheriff’s Department and local law enforcement agencies have dealt with street protests, a task to which officers received extensive training. National Guard troops have been seen protecting federal buildings. But Trump administration officials have repeatedly threatened to have troops take a more active role in policing during protests.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Sunday wrote a memo to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth urging military forces to arrest civilians during L.A. protests, according to reporting by the San Francisco Chronicle and CBS News.

Adding to the confusion, a top military official told The Times on Tuesday that the Marines would have no arrest power; they would only be involved in building protection.

Trump and other administration officials have repeatedly said erroneously that large parts of Los Angeles have been hit by violence and unrest.

“They’re not a city of immigrants, they’re a city of criminals,” Noem told Fox News.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said hundreds of people have been taken into custody during the raids since Friday. But it’s not clear exactly how many people have been arrested. An immigrants-rights leader in Los Angeles said about 300 people have been detained by federal authorities in California since sweeps began last week.

Angelica Salas, director of the Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles, said her group used interviews with family members, conversations with elected officials and direct reporting from the ground to confirm detentions.

“Our communities are being terrorized. We’re in a state of terror. People are outraged at what’s happening,” she told the Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday.

“I have never seen anything like this,” added Salas, who has worked in immigrants rights for 30 years.

Bass and other officials argue Trump is trying to sow violence with the raids and deployment of the National Guard.

“I feel like we’ve all been in Los Angeles a part of a grand experiment to see what happens when the federal government decides they want to roll up on a state or roll up on a city and take over,” she added.

There have been intense but isolated clashes between protesters and law enforcement for several days in downtown Los Angeles.

Monday’s protests were largely calmer than Sunday’s melees, which left a trail of foam bullets around the city’s center, buildings vandalized, Waymos set ablaze and many protesters injured from the munitions. Nearly two dozen businesses have been burglarized amid the unrest in recent days including one in which a suspect used a power saw to gain entry.

Assemblymember Mark González, who represents downtown, said the violence and destruction in Little Tokyo and parts of downtown is “completely unacceptable.”

“Tagging historic landmarks, launching fireworks at officers and terrorizing residents is not protest — it’s destruction,” he said. “If you’re out here chasing clout while our neighbors are scared and storefronts are boarded up — you’re not helping, you’re harming. You’re playing right into Trump’s hands and undermining the very movement you claim to support.”

As midnight approached on Monday, officers used less-lethal munitions and tear gas as they clashed with a few dozen people who remained in downtown Los Angeles. Earlier in the day, a crowd of several hundred rallied in front of the federal building.

Officers moved in the late afternoon to push the throng away from the buildings that had been the focus of Sunday’s protests and steadily pushed them into Little Tokyo, with the crowd thinning with each push.

Officers were shooting flash-bangs and less-lethal munitions, while the protesters tried to erect a barrier with recycling bins. At least one car window was shattered, sending glass shards shooting into the crowd.

Law enforcement sources told The Times that authorities are analyzing dozens of videos of people throwing bricks, scooters and other heavy objects toward officers during protests. They’re working with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to identify several young men who recently smashed windows at LAPD headquarters and tossed incendiary devices inside.

On Tuesday morning, Kazumi Tsuji, who owns a business in Little Tokyo, walked around her shop and the surrounding buildings with a handful of burning sage. She passed by a scrawl of fresh graffiti spray-painted overnight.

“It’s to keep away the evil spirits,” she said of the sage. “I’m OK with protests, but setting fires, destroying businesses, all of that seems like people who just want to start chaos.”

While her shop was not damaged, around the corner, what appeared to be masked teenagers smashed a glass door with a skateboard near Shoe Palace. Property manager Frank Chavez showed a Times reporter footage of the individuals bashing a security camera around 10:30 p.m. Despite the damage, nothing was missing from the building, he said.

“We just cleaned Little Tokyo about two weeks ago,” he said. “The whole community came together and now here we are.”

Nearby, a small bean bag projectile lay on the floor near a shattered store window at Cafe Dulce. A security guard, who declined to give his name, said that the bean bag was fired at protesters by police and shattered the window.

Several businesses, including the Downtown Jewelry Exchange, in the Jewelry District were broken into overnight. On Tuesday morning, tenants in the large jewelry store that houses multiple retailers in an old theater lifted up broken display cases.

“There is a lot of anxiety, frustration in downtown right now,” Raz Tatanian, a jeweler who is a tenant at a nearby building, said. “These are the actions of opportunistic hoodlums who don’t care about the immigrants.”

Early Tuesday, foot traffic was sparse on South Broadway with several storefronts closed amid the protests. A T-Mobile store that was burglarized during the demonstrations was boarded up with wood planks.

The El Pollo Loco on Broadway and 3rd Street has been closed for the past two days and reopened Tuesday at 9 a.m., said Britney Abila, who has been working as a cashier at the location for the past year.

“It’s been very scary for my cookers especially,” she said, adding that they were fearful about the raids and the resulting protests.

Staff writers Seema Mehta, Clara Harter, Summer Lin, Rachael Urganga, Laura J. Nelson and Andrea Castilo contributed to this report.
How L.A. law enforcement got pulled into the fight over Trump’s immigration crackdown
Los Angeles Times (archive.ph)
By Libor Jany, James Queally and Connor Sheets
2025-06-10 18:23:51GMT
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Los Angeles police officers arrest a protester downtown on Monday. (Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)

A phalanx of police officers on horseback surround a person who has been knocked to the ground and repeatedly pummeled with batons.

An Australian TV news reporter winces in pain as she’s shot by a rubber bullet while wrapping up a live broadcast.

A crowd milling above the 101 Freeway lobs rocks and chunks of concrete down on California Highway Patrol officers detaining protesters, prompting a volley of flash-bang grenades.


Those incidents and others captured on video have gone viral in recent days as immigration protests reached a boiling point in Los Angeles.

Leaders at the LAPD and the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department have long maintained that they have no role in civil immigration enforcement. And yet the region’s two largest police agencies are suddenly on the front lines of the Trump administration’s crackdown, clashing in the street with demonstrators — most peaceful and some seemingly intent on causing mayhem.

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Waymo taxis burn on Los Angeles Street as thousands protest ICE immigration raids throughout the city. (Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times)

LAPD Chief Jim McDonnell condemned the actions of those carrying out the “disgusting” violence.

“This thing has gotten out of control,” McDonnell said at a news conference Sunday when asked whether he supported President Trump’s deployment of National Guard troops. After news broke Monday that the president was sending hundreds of Marines to the city, McDonnell said that without “clear coordination,” adding more soldiers to the mix creates “a significant logistical and operational challenge for those of us charged with safeguarding this city.”

Sheriff Robert Luna told The Times that deputies are prepared to support federal agents in certain circumstances — even as the department maintains its official policy of not assisting with immigration operations.


“They start getting attacked and they call and ask us for help, we’re going to respond,” Luna said.

Both publicly and behind the scenes, the situation has led to tensions with Los Angeles officials who have questioned whether local law enforcement is crossing the line with aggressive crowd control tactics — or being put in a lose-lose situation by Trump, who has cast blame on the LAPD chief and others for not doing enough.

“The federal government has put everybody in the city, and law enforcement in particular, in a really messed up situation,” said City Council President Marqueece Harris-Dawson. “They started a riot, and then they said, ‘Well, you can’t handle the riot, so we’re sending in the military.’”

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Los Angeles police officers push back protesters near a federal building in downtown Los Angeles on Monday. (Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)

The LAPD said in a statement that officers made a combined 50 arrests on Saturday and Sunday, mostly for failure to obey a dispersal order. They also arrested a man who allegedly rammed a motorcycle into a skirmish line of officers, and another for attempted murder with a Molotov cocktail.

Five officers were injured while policing the protests, the department said, while five police horses also suffered minor injuries. The department said officers fired more than 600 so-called less lethal rounds to quell hostile crowds.


Although the LAPD has changed the way it handles protests in recent years — moving away from some of the heavy-handed tactics that drew widespread criticism in the past — the city still pays out millions for crowd control-related lawsuits every year.

As of Monday, Internal Affairs had opened investigations into seven complaints of officer misconduct, including the shooting of the Australian TV news reporter, said LAPD Deputy Chief Michael Rimkunas, who runs the department’s professional standards bureau.

Additionally, he said, the department’s Force Investigations Division, which reviews all serious uses of force, was investigating two incidents “because of possible significant injury,” including one incident in which a protester was struck in the head with a rubber bullet.

“We’re continuing to review video and monitor the situation,” he said.

The high-profile incidents caught on video — combined with mixed messaging by L.A. officials — have created opportunities for the White House to control the narrative.

On Saturday, Mayor Karen Bass told reporters that the protests were under control, while the LAPD chief publicly lamented that his department was overwhelmed by the outbursts of violence. Trump seized on those comments, writing in a post on Truth Social that the situation in Los Angeles was “looking really bad.”

“Jim McDonnell, the highly respected LAPD Chief, just stated that the protesters are getting very much more aggressive, and that he would ‘have to reassess the situation,’ as it pertains to bringing in the troops,” Trump wrote on the right-wing social media platform shortly after midnight on Monday. “He should, RIGHT NOW!!! Don’t let these thugs get away with this. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!”

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Protesters clash with police downtown near the VA Outpatient Clinic on Sunday in Los Angeles. (Luke Johnson / Los Angeles Times)

On the streets over the weekend, local cops often found themselves playing defense while confronting unruly crowds.

Cmdr. Oscar Barragan in the L.A. County Sheriff’s Department’s Special Operations Division described the scene Sunday when his unit responded to a protest near a Home Depot in Paramount. While rumors of a raid targeting migrant workers at the store spread on social media, Barragan said the real issue was a federal immigration office nearby that was being used as a staging area.

“Social media took over and a false narrative started growing and it just grew out of control,” he said.

Barragan said there were “people launching mortars at us and rocks and things” as the scrum moved west toward the 710 Freeway and the Compton border. He said some people put nails and cinder blocks in the street trying to block the police response.

“It got pretty hairy,” Barragan said. “They just kept launching every type of firework you can imagine and it was consistent.”


He said local law enforcement tolerates protests — but has to step up to restore order when things start to get out of hand.

“The sheriff has made it clear that we allow the peaceful protests to occur, but once violence occurs we’re not gonna tolerate it,” he said.

On Sunday outside the Metropolitan Detention Center, a group of roughly 100 protesters spent hours chiding California National Guard members and Department of Homeland Security officers near the entrance to the immigration jail, calling them “Nazis” and urging them to defy orders and defend the public instead of a building.

At one point, a Homeland Security officer approached one of the more vocal demonstrators and said he “didn’t want a repeat” of Saturday’s violence, urging protesters to stay off federal property and clear a path for any vehicles that needed to enter. But around 1 p.m. on Sunday, guardsmen with riot shields moved to the front of the law enforcement phalanx on Alameda and charged into the protest crowd, screaming “push” as they rammed into people. They launched tear gas canisters and smoke grenades into the street, leaving a toxic cloud in the air.

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A protester is hurt near the 101 Freeway in clashes with law enforcement in downtown Los Angeles on Sunday.
(Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)


It left an enraged crowd of protesters, who had otherwise been peaceful all morning, for the LAPD to contend with.


After National Guard troops and Homeland Security officers retreated to the loading dock, LAPD officers found themselves in an hours-long back and forth with protesters on Alameda. Officers used batons, less lethal launchers and tear gas to slowly force the crowd of hundreds back toward Temple Street, with limited success.

The LAPD repeatedly issued dispersal orders from a helicopter and a patrol car loudspeaker. Some members of the crowd hurled water bottles and glass bottles at officers, and the windshield of a department vehicle shattered after it was struck by a projectile.

One officer grabbed a sign from a protester who was standing near a skirmish line, broke it in half and then swung a baton into the demonstrator’s legs. Another officer was seen by a Times reporter repeatedly raising his launcher and aiming at the heads of demonstrators.

In one particularly wild moment, two people riding motorcycles inched their way to the front of the protest crowd, revving their engines and drawing cheers. At some point, they got close to the LAPD’s skirmish line and skidded out.

Both were handcuffed and led away, their feet dragging across asphalt covered in shattered glass and spent rubber bullets. LAPD later alleged at least one of the motorcyclists rammed officers.

The tensions spilled into Monday.

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City workers repair broken windows on Spring Street at Police Headquarters. (Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times)

At police headquarters, where city workers were spotted boarding up the ground-level windows, a row of officers in riot gear began assembling outside. With some government offices urging their employees to work from home, the surrounding streets were emptier than usual. Those who came downtown kept their heads down as they hustled past the now-ubiquitous “F— ICE” graffiti.

Gov. Gavin Newsom said Monday afternoon that Trump had ordered another 2,000 National Guard troops to the city, doubling the previous total. In response, the governor said, he had worked with other law enforcement agencies on a “surge” of an additional 800 state and local law enforcement officers “to ensure the safety of our LA communities.”

McDonnell said at a news conference that the department was seeking to strike a balance between “dealing with civil unrest on the streets, [while] at the same time trying to protect peaceful protests.”

Some community leaders were left deeply unsatisfied with the police response.

Eddie Anderson, a pastor at McCarty Memorial Christian Church in Jefferson Park, argued that the LAPD was effectively doing the work of protecting Trump’s immigration agents.

“We asked them to pick a side: Are they going to pick the side of the federal government, which is trying to rip apart families?” Anderson said. “Donald Trump would like nothing more than for Angelenos to resort to violence to try to fight the federal government, because his whole scheme is to try to show L.A. is a lawless place.”

Times staff writers David Zahniser and Matthew Ormseth contributed to this report.
 
They are using lasers. One of the early videos of the riots had a riot cop having a green laser shined at his face.
I'm pretty sure I saw one where a laser was being aimed a helicopter pilot.

You try to tell people that all the personalities on Fox News are really leftist and they'll call you a liar. Dude, they live/work in big cities where their studios are, owned by a billionaire, and highly political. They may talk conservative, and even if they are, they're very mild conservative at best, while being surrounded on all sides and their work associates are all left.
Fox News is still part of the corporate media. They only provide the appearance of a "counterbalance" foil to the overtly liberal media, so normie cattle can tell themselves they're getting multiple points of view and totally aren't being manipulated.
 
Protesters out near the 300 North Los Angeles Federal Building this afternoon
Looks like the whole "stop with the Mexican flags!" push didn't work.
LA Mayor live on Lookner saying that a curfew is being implemented.
Didn't she say everything was calm? Seems strange for a need for a curfew then.
 
I agreed with every bullet point a week ago. But now that we're 5 days into this shit without one single round of live ammo being fired at the rioters, I'm starting to doubt he learned a fucking thing from BLM or the multiple assassination attempts. It's embarrassing, really. He seems to have this delusion that if he just types the correct words on twitter, the hordes of invading spics, subhuman niggers, and literal communists will just say "Shit, never thought of it that way" and become his biggest fans.
MSM is still suppressing information about the riots. Eventually knowledge will trickled down to them, but if shots are fired then that will be the first thing they hear and they'll be led to believe that the protests were completely peaceful before the police fired on them.

In fact, that's probably exactly what happened several times in the past before social media became a thing.
 
I heard through the grapevine that fatboy Vance made sure to bring in lots of younger people in this administration, so you're probably right about that.

Smart move, if true. Vance is the first Millennial VP, and I think he's aware that the GOP needs to attract more young blood, since the Dems have started losing their veneer of being "cool and hip." Especially if you're going to build on Trump's momentum before his term ends.
 
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