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Should be a wild four years.

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Yes, you raging homos, I may be 75yo but I understand how the internet works. Fuck, I was coding COBOL when your grandma was fucking around town. Shit, I remember when we used God damn punch cards to report power bills. You could legit over-punch them for lolz and fuck up their whole system.
OK boomer, hire the local American kids to cut your lawn instead of the Spic. Stop being a cheap jew with your employees and fucking pay proper American wages. Help your kids not the fucking foreigner.
 
Quoting thyself like a mofo gigachad as per usual: the biggest diff I notice which speaks to the politics of the time is how you mothers here are so much more negative. The amount of dumbs I get for any criticism or difference of opinion. When back in the start of 4chan that's all we did was have real convos and arguments.
There are myriad issues with online discussion today

People online largely have lost the ability to concede an arguement and prefer passive aggressive tactics to actual discussion, particularly when a statement shakes a core belief. Rather than debate it's easier to thumbs down, dumb sticker, greentext the statement and write kike shill under it.

There is a behavioral sink to passive aggressive neg ratings, firstly it cows people to stay within the narrative, never questioning the hive mind. Secondly it makes posters lash out with spergatry, inviting more neg ratings/pithy comments and drives an poster with an unpopular opinion to turn into an unpopular poster. The inverse of this is the poster who only posts opinions that will be met with positive response, thus stagnating conversation.

There once were tech barriers that kept people with below average intelligence off of discussion boards, now with ease of access posting has regressed to the mean.

Speech policing has taken over almost every public commons, so places that allow less policed speech get inundated with chronic convo derailers and bad faith actors, and they exist side by side with those that just stated an unpopular opinion and were banished. The bad faith posters have a gravity that will pull logical posters down with them.

There is no fix to this, outside of a massive emergent will to have better conversations. People have to make an effort to not lash out when questioned, not engage in bad faith conversations and to try find common ground instead of the sharpest insult or the most popular regurgitated one liner.
 
What do you think of his and JD's hardcore connections to Thiel and Yarvin who have espoused the need to transition the US to forms closer to technocratic monarchy or aristocratic government?
would be unbelievably based if true but i know enough about yarvin (kooky esoteric philosophysperg) and thiel (eccentric gay futurist techbro) to be pretty certain that nothing substantial will come of the association

@Lonely khan
online 'discussion' has fundamental problems that i don't think can be solved.
when you have anonymity online then you have no accountability. nobody knows who the person they're talking to is, nobody knows anybodys true intentions, everybody suspects trolls at every corner, so there can never be the kind of mutual trust you need to have a productive debate.
and when you don't have anonymity online then it just turns into an extension of IRL talk, except in full public view, with zero gatekeeping, and without all the nonverbal cues (tone and delivery, body language) that make IRL conversations work properly, so you're left with socially crippled exchanges of opinion that quickly degenerate into screaming matches and popularity contests.

and honestly i think it doesn't need to be any different. i'm perfectly fine with the internet being this kind of anarchist free for all space where everybody can shitpost to their hearts content. i wish more people would take it less seriously, but oh well, it is what it is i guess.
 
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So I am going to guess the GOP establishment isn't going to do much about rich people funding the illegals.

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Of course not without Illegals to have programs how will the churches get government money that they can then give back to the GOP.
 
What do you think of his and JD's hardcore connections to Thiel and Yarvin who have espoused the need to transition the US to forms closer to technocratic monarchy or aristocratic government?
It is legitimately concerning and has been something I do bring up to normies to fit in. However Thiel, Yarvin and their entire silicon Valley occultist jew clique are gonna end up in ovens before the faggot Raj is even close to established.
 
I regret trying to joke around and be nice to you. I will never do it again.

Please accept my apologies, my fellow kiwi. Sometimes I wan to try to be hip with you peeps and say spicy things but you know I'm actually just a sweet old man.

OK boomer, hire the local American kids to cut your lawn instead of the Spic. Stop being a cheap jew with your employees and fucking pay proper American wages. Help your kids not the fucking foreigner.

Bro, I mow my own lawn like a real God damn American.
 
What do you think of his and JD's hardcore connections to Thiel and Yarvin who have espoused the need to transition the US to forms closer to technocratic monarchy or aristocratic government?
The only difference between that and the current system is that the inbred oligarchs who rule us now give us the illusion of choice.

Election years are dreadful and nerve-racking. If I never see yard signs or ads of lizard people pretending to be an everyman again, it'll be too soon.
 
What I never understood about this if you follow this logic YOU'RE intolerant. Therefore others have the right to not tolerate you either. How do they make the distinction between "he's intolerant so we have to fight him" and "If I'm doing it it's different"?

e: Should've read your whole post first. You basically explain it.
The worst/best thing about contemporary Marxism (best for them, worst for anyone who has to deal with them) is that by interlinking more closely with critical theory, it means that it factors in psychology (Critical theory combined Marxist culture critique with Freud's theories). It's basic bitch psychology but psychology nonetheless. If you see "intolerant" besides "Hitler", your brain is going to link the two, even though the words "Hitler" or "Nazi" aren't explicitly mentioned anywhere. You then carry the association of "Nazi = intolerant" + "Society = tolerant, not intolerant" (embedded exception to free speech) then you introduce factors which redefine "Nazi" by making it broader*, then justify guilt via association and boom - the other half of society are now Nazis and exist as a detriment to it.

"Society is meant to be tolerant, our enemies aren't, thus to maintain a cohesive society they need to censored/removed before they can grow in power and destroy it."

Reddit, which I think is the actual ground zero for this spreading online and not Tumblr (unless users of the latter subverted the former or there was significant overlap), spread literal mis info around the middle 2010s even before Trump started his campaign. Alongside cementing the idea that there are exceptions for free speech, they straight up falsified shit to give themselves precedent to hold to this idea even though it, frankly, has never happened. Beside the implication that Hitler rose to power because "he was allowed to speak" (even though the Weimar republic had hate speech laws, banned various newspapers and even censored Hitler himself from 1925 to 1927 yet the Nazi party grew regardless) they also justified guilt through association by making shit up by people who supposedly "lived through it". One of these infamous, made up quotes is: "If you sit at a table with 9 people, and a Nazi joins, and nobody leaves, there are 10 Nazis at the table" - Old German saying
(It's a faaaaaake).

As an aside: Broadening the category of who fits the definition of "enemy" is a typical practice in Marxism. Whenever a communist regime starts killing intellectuals, landowners, the middle class and so on, they are typically redefining "Bourgeoisie" or "Lumpenproletariat" to have them fit since those are the two classes of people Marx was most openly hostile to. Of course it goes in the reverse too, since a lot of of Marxists would not be classed as proletariat, especially considering who Marx considered a Lumpenprole:
“Alongside decayed roués with questionable means of subsistence and of questionable origin, alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie, were vagabonds, discharged soldiers, discharged jailbirds, escaped galley slaves, swindlers, mountebanks, lazzaroni, pickpockets, tricksters, gamblers, maquereaux [pimps], brothel keepers, porters, literati, organ grinders, ragpickers, knife grinders, tinkers, beggars—in short, the whole indefinite, disintegrated mass, thrown hither and thither, which the French term ‘la bohème’...”
"Alongside ruined and adventurous offshoots of the bourgeoisie" = Disinherited children or LARPers of the bourgeoisie
Vagabond = unemployed.
Discharged jailbirds = repeat criminals.
Mountebanks = someone who tricks others out of money.
Lazzaroni = beggars. (Marx, in his seething, might've put beggar in here twice, just like he effectively did with "pimps" and "brothel keepers", but put it in a different language to sound clever.)
Porters = luggage carriers/attendants.
Literari = someone who is concerned with the study of literature (how many breadtubers would fit this if you included media in general?)

Gamblers = :lossmanjack:

And Bourgeoisie has also been redefined pretty much as anyone who owns an asset of appreciating value, it's entirely possible the entire Left-wing in America would be classified as Lumpenproletariat, who Marx regarded as:
“The ‘dangerous class’, the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of old society... may, here and there, be swept into the movement by a proletarian revolution; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of reactionary intrigue.”
It's startling how much more accurate it can be if you remove a few words and add a couple.
“The ‘dangerous class’, the social scum, that passively rotting mass thrown off by the lowest layers of old society... may, here and there, be swept into a movement; its conditions of life, however, prepare it far more for the part of a bribed tool of political intrigue.”
Thanks, Marx. How apt.
 
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The only difference between that and the current system is that the inbred oligarchs who rule us now give us the illusion of choice.

Election years are dreadful and nerve-racking. If I never see yard signs or ads of lizard people pretending to be an everyman again, it'll be too soon.

Yeah, instead you'll get inbred drug addict sex-deviant Elons ruling over you complete with a total control grid with pre-crime and God knows what else.

I do feel ya on the fake ass lizard people though. Insufferable.
 
I was looking through the list of co-conspirators partners on the NoKings website (archive) and found one that amused me.

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Ah yes, because billionaires wouldn't have any interest in keeping a lower class of illegal aliens that they can pay less for work. "Families Over Billionaires" for slaves.
>"Families Over Billionaires"
>protests being organized by a billionaire heiress

I'm overwhelmed by the irony
 
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