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Who is the best Catholic apologist alive today?

  • Bishop Robert Barron

    Votes: 42 47.7%

  • Fr. Mike Schmitz

    Votes: 39 44.3%

  • Trent Horn

    Votes: 23 26.1%

  • Jimmy Akin

    Votes: 14 15.9%

  • Joe Heschmeyer

    Votes: 2 2.3%

  • Matt Fradd

    Votes: 6 6.8%

  • Scott Hahn

    Votes: 13 14.8%

  • Brayden Cook - TheCatechumen

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Taylor Marshall

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • Christian Fagner

    Votes: 3 3.4%

  • James White

    Votes: 7 8.0%
  • Total voters
    88
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I wonder what everyone’s thoughts are about this. It seems like the sin of ‘detraction’ (lol DSP mentioned) as described is pretty prohibitive-like would exclude discussions of ‘small time’ true crime or even deceased war criminals (if that could harm the reputation of living family members and the need to discuss their crimes isn’t urgent.)

I also don’t understand why the right to a neutral to positive reputation is being treated as almost equal to someone’s life or possessions. IDK I’m not a moral theologian though.
 
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Jews. The Juden. Kikels. The Yiddoes. Weird time to mention the little guys.
So they were/are called Gods chosen people. As I understand, this title has been transferred to Christians, but the original chosenness did not go away, as Gods promise is to be fulfilled.
At least this is what i've heard from a priest i've listened to recently.
Personally, I believe that God chooses the ones he wishes to be believe in him, hence Gods chosen and Jews don't exaclty qualify anymore since they have forsaken God, or Christ.
But, again, the relationship with God, can be argued, is very different with each person, in which case, even Satanists have a certain relationship with God, maybe not a positive but a sad one, but a relationship nonetheless, thus they believe in God and are as well chosen. The same works with Jews. They may have forsaken the New Testament/Christ but hold a relationship with God regardless.

Anyone have some more information/opinions and explanations regarding this?
 
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Corydoras said:
I also don’t understand why the right to a neutral to positive reputation is being treated as almost equal to someone’s life or possessions. IDK I’m not a moral theologian though.
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The way I understand it is that it's treated as mortal sin in because you're "killing" the way someone is perceived, it's doing irreparable harm which is what makes it so severe, what people get overly cautious about is the severity of it though IMO.
Lolcows for example, I don't consider shitposting about them detraction, because nothing we do on this site isn't anything that hasn't already been done. This is in contrast to say bringing up someone's drinking problem, years after the fact, just to make them look bad; it's about intent mixed with actual consequence; if you ask any priest they'll explain this to you and also probably tell you to spend less time on the Internet.
 
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sedoL said:
Jews. The Juden. Kikels. The Yiddoes. Weird time to mention the little guys.
So they were/are called Gods chosen people. As I understand, this title has been transferred to Christians, but the original chosenness did not go away, as Gods promise is to be fulfilled.
At least this is what i've heard from a priest i've listened to recently.
Personally, I believe that God chooses the ones he wishes to be believe in him, hence Gods chosen and Jews don't exaclty qualify anymore since they have forsaken God, or Christ.
But, again, the relationship with God, can be argued, is very different with each person, in which case, even Satanists have a certain relationship with God, maybe not a positive but a sad one, but a relationship nonetheless, thus they believe in God and are as well chosen. The same works with Jews. They may have forsaken the New Testament/Christ but hold a relationship with God regardless.

Anyone have some more information/opinions and explanations regarding this?
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St Paul wrote that the gentiles are like branches grafted onto the tree the Jews once grew from, i.e God. Although they are no longer as spiritually connected to God as they once were, there is still a level of respect and openness Christians should show Jews, but that doesn't mean they don't require salvation or are somehow more spiritually important than us.
 
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GeekUSA said:
St Paul wrote that the gentiles are like branches grafted onto the tree the Jews once grew from, i.e God. Although they are no longer as spiritually connected to God as they once were, there is still a level of respect and openness Christians should show Jews, but that doesn't mean they don't require salvation or are somehow more spiritually important than us.
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Would that be the same tree but just different branches? Guess i'll have to re-read the letters.

Jews have a very good grasp of the law of the world, as in the law of a master and slave. They grasp to power with every bit of will they have and are thus able to gain a lot of influence in the world. But this power they acquire has tainted their soul. My take about the pop-jews.

There's no such thing as a common jew nowadays, at least where i'm at, and they used to be quite numerous and not some sort of boogeyman where you can only form an opinion from news and internet hearsay.
 
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CAPTAIN HAPPY said:
So you're saying God completely abandons those God said he'd never abandon?
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Quite the reverse; they have abandoned Him again (seemingly once and for all this time) by rejecting Christ, whom God sent for their salvation. Any severing of the relationship between God and the Jews is the fault of the Jews for failing to accept Christ.

I'm not even gonna get into the substantial ethnic, religious, and cultural differences between the Hebrews of the Bible and the modern day Jew, which gives the modern day Jew basically no claim to any of the promises God made to the Israelites of the Bible.
 
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Quite the reverse; they have abandoned Him again (seemingly once and for all this time)
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So ditto to my fist point?
Even more so. What would God hate more? Some Jews rejecting Jesus, but still trying to find good graces in their old laws or going totally nuts and sacrificing children to Leafy the Wonder Oak?
Tom Bombodildo said:
I'm not even gonna get into the substantial ethnic, religious, and cultural differences between the Hebrews of the Bible and the modern day Jew, which gives the modern day Jew basically no claim to any of the promises God made to the Israelites of the Bible.
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That's great, since, with all due respect, I suspect you know jack shit about it like most people who judge the Jews by their own bizzaro internet understanding. I too am not going into all that history stuff, just recall that the very first Christians were Jews and God's judgement belongs to God, not to some random fact of the day mid tier at best theologians and probably frail Christians like us.
 
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CAPTAIN HAPPY said:
Are you Catholic?
Usually it's the protestants who love to post one tiny bit of the Bible and extrapolate all kinds of bizzaro ideologies to feed their pride with.
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Yes, I am Catholic. Pretty sure you've been given the answer to your question anyway. I think it's extremely clear in Gospel what God feels towards people who don't accept Christ as their saviour.
 
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