2025 Israel vs Iran War

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I just don't get the Jews

They have their hands full with the Gaza shit, the world sentiment is slowly turning against them, Trump openly says he wants peace talks with Iran but off they go and start another incident despite being asked not too by their "greatest ally". yah yah I know Zion Don and all but I don't really believe that.

I have zero doubt that Netanyahu is fully convinced the US will just come riding to the rescue once again but I'm not so sure. Trump's been posting and Vance has openly said they want nothing to do with this issue and want both sides to stand down.

It's a stupid move and it reeks of Jew politics and Netanyahu's ego writing cheques his nation can't cash.

TLDR: I hate everyone involved in this but I hate the Jews most because they keep stirring the fucking pot and the US has to come bail their asses out. Which leads back to more shitty Jews rule the world shit I can't stand.

TLDR the TLDR: I hope everyone involved dies in a fire
Israel has a zero sum defense posture. Given its size there can be no defeats, as even a tactical defeat on the battlefield that would be a minor setback for a country the size of the USA or Russia would be game over for them. This makes the country incredibly paranoid and incredibly aggressive beyond what would be normal for most countries that are better situated geographically.
 
It's funny how quickly the plan to sweep through the region got memoryholed. I wish I could remember who it was but I vividly remember some nutjob going on Fox News saying we should go straight into Syria right after the initial invasion of Iraq looked like it was going swimmingly.
None of the neocons ever apologized-they simply realized that their goals were toxic to the public, and so spent the Obama years(and the first trump administration)-largely either out of government or rebranding themselves-supporting color revolutions, reconnecting with patronage networks, etc...

You'll note that their websites and blogs still exist to this day-and they still have a lot of influence in Washington-despite strangely no one defending the Iraq war anymore.

Do they hold absolute power? No-but they definitely have more influence than you'd think.
 
KHAMENEI"S DILEMMA: The NYT, in an interesting expose, detailed how Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei convened Iran's Supreme National Security Council yesterday to discuss a response. According to the report, Khamenei said he wanted revenge, but did not want to act rashly.

During the meeting, there were differences of opinion on how to respond and whether to prepare for a prolonged war, given the severe damage to Iran's air defense system and missile capabilities, and the fear that the United States would also be drawn into the war. One participant warned that if Israel were to attack Iran's energy and water facilities, it could spark widespread internal protests.

During the meeting, Khamenei appeared to be facing an existential question: if he attacks and the war expand, there will be a real danger to the continuation of his rule, and if he shows restraint, this could be interpreted both at home and abroad as a defeat.

At the end of the meeting, Khamenei ordered that the first part of the response would include launching a 1000 ballistic missiles to overload Israel's air defenses and cause maximum damage, but due to Israel's attacks on the missile facilities, Iran was only able to launch about a 100 missiles.

Forever wars was actually a goal-we have documents to prove this. Regime change operations and sustained occupations were intended to last indefinitely.
i dont give a fuck because it never ended up happening. It's crying about hypotheticals

Israel has a zero sum defense posture. Given its size there can be no defeats, as even a tactical defeat on the battlefield that would be a minor setback for a country the size of the USA or Russia would be game over for them. This makes the country incredibly paranoid and incredibly aggressive beyond what would be normal for most countries that are better situated geographically.
Adding to this, the Begin doctrine requires Israel to act. No enemy of Israel which has stated the intention to wipe out Israel should be allowed to have nuclear weapons.
 
i dont give a fuck because it never ended up happening. It's crying about hypotheticals
The talmudic sophistry does get so...boring.

First it didn't happen, then now its a hypothetical. You haven't denied the actual substance of anything I've said-jewish figures shaped American policy to benefit Israel. They didn't get everything they wanted. Or see every plan actually implemented.

But those plans existed-we know they exist, and they still exist now.
 
I don't care. Fuck them both.

For everyone who feels a need to be invested, here is a challenge for you: Google the issues in your respective country. Ask yourself why you are more concerned about a squabble in the desert than that. If you can give me an actual answer, I would be shocked.

Let them kill each other. This conflict is not unique, not going help anyone who get involved, and people who have tried for the past 50 or so years to resolve it have not made any headway. Enough is enough. Just let them be!
 
I am less depressed about this and more its domestic political ramifications. Which unless the conflict dies down will absolutely be disastrous and actually impact my life.

I hoped Trump would carry out a policy agenda of deportations and a minimum of fail states-a war with iran was always a vague possibility, but I figured that if only for structural limitations it would not happen.

It likely still will not-but MAGA will die, any rejuvenation of America will die, and the browns and troons will return-and they will implement a much severer tyranny than 2020.
The Medicaid cuts the Republicunts put into that Trump bill will cause them to lose the 2026 midterms. Either the House senate or both. Hell, it could even cost them the 2028 election. But getting involved in a Jew war in Iran will make it a 100% guarantee that they lose. MAGA was always going to die when Trump is gone anyway. A good chunk of Trumps voter base is made up of low propensity voters. Meaning they don't vote or vote often. They vote for Trump and that's about it. None of the Republicans are going to be able to take Trumps place. As much as the Republicans sit around chuckling about the Democrats, but they are no better off. Incoming Medicaid cuts when 70% of Americans said they did not want Medicaid touched lack of a Trump replacement and possible war in the Middle East with direct US involvement.

People care more about economic issues than anything. All the Republicans had to do was deport illegal aliens and back Trump up on his trade and economic agenda and they had to own the poors. They are just going to get owned back. Even more so with a US ground war in Iran. Also, someone mentioned the price of oil and gas going up because of the war. This is also one of the nails in the Republicunt coffin if it happens.

Trump recently said he was going to scale back the deportations. They can't get rid of all the beaners anyway. Not in 3 and a half years. Trump was never going to save the US.
There's no greater tragedy for the jews than to reap what they sow, and get what they deserve.
The Jew cries out in pain as it strikes you.
https://x.com/axios/status/1934017919110860957
https://archive.is/46oQt
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Apparently Israel wants US to die for them now.

Hey Kikes, remember when you said that you didn't need US's help?

Now I can officially say, fuck you. I am not dying for Israel.
That was the plan all along. Get the US involved. Israel doesn't have what it takes to carry out a land invasion of Iran. Whatever they are trying to accomplish in Iran will not be done with air power alone. Boots will need to be on the ground. Guess who has that ability?
“Dying for Israel” is the dissident right’s Handmaid’s Tale

New reports of Israeli attacks in Kermanshah, Iran

Al-Ray City refinery is burning now

Haifa has a refinery burning


from an analyst i spoke to:

The breadth of the problem is more than that, for Iran.

Their program isn’t going to survive just because a small portion of it is buried under a mountain. Programs take people. Sustainment.

Israel can continuously work against these sites for just as long as they’d like, unless Iran finds a way to change their fortunes in the air.

Iran can go for breakout, and then be faced with the prospect of real total destruction if they employ it… and all the while Israel will just continue working them with body blows.

Things like raids become a lot more realistic sounding when all the responding garrisons are gone. They aren’t buried.
Sure, whatever you say Boomer. Just go ask the guys that served in Afghanistan and Iraq if dying for Israel is a myth. LOL
 
None of the neocons ever apologized-they simply realized that their goals were toxic to the public, and so spent the Obama years(and the first trump administration)-largely either out of government or rebranding themselves-supporting color revolutions, reconnecting with patronage networks, etc...

You'll note that their websites and blogs still exist to this day-and they still have a lot of influence in Washington-despite strangely no one defending the Iraq war anymore.

Do they hold absolute power? No-but they definitely have more influence than you'd think.
The fact that literal neocon faggot and guaranteed kiddy diddler Ladybug Graham can still make appearances with MAGA and not get tarred and feathered says all I need to know about malignancy's survival
 
I have explained why I care-political blowback and the collapse of any America first policy-however shallow. A return to 2020 woke with a vengeance. In the next election.

Trump going to war with Iran basically spells the end of any "american nationalism"-and basically guarantees America is a minority majority country by 2040.
 
First it didn't happen
Never said it didn't happen. I pointed out that it was under Netanyahu and that Ariel Sharon disagreed heavily, warning bush.

its a hypothetical
Yes, invading Iran is a hypothetical because it never happened

-jewish figures shaped American policy to benefit Israel
and your dumbass doesn't realize that in the moment, Israel advised that it would be difficult and suggested another target.

I don't care. Fuck them both.

For everyone who feels a need to be invested, here is a challenge for you: Google the issues in your respective country. Ask yourself why you are more concerned about a squabble in the desert than that. If you can give me an actual answer, I would be shocked.

Let them kill each other. This conflict is not unique, not going help anyone who get involved, and people who have tried for the past 50 or so years to resolve it have not made any headway. Enough is enough. Just let them be!
thanks for your unique viewpoint, no one else in the thread has ever said this. Your original thought is greatly appreciated.

HEAVY CHANCE OF PROPAGANDA TAKE WITH SALT

Iran International has obtained information indicating that Ali Asghar Hejazi, deputy chief of staff to Ali Khamenei, along with several other senior officials, are in talks with Russian authorities to evacuate themselves and their families from the country if necessary.​

This information indicates that a high-ranking Russian official contacted Ali Asghar Hejazi and assured him that if the situation worsened, he and his family would be evacuated from the country through a safe corridor.​

According to the report, other individuals from high-ranking Islamic Republic officials have received similar calls, and some of them are finalizing their exit routes.​

 
The fact that literal neocon faggot and guaranteed kiddy diddler Ladybug Graham can still make appearances with MAGA and not get tarred and feathered says all I need to know about malignancy's survival
Almost every republican politician you can assume is either heavily bribed or has every scandal on video. Graham has to have a lot of gay sex tapes in an AIPAC office drawer somewhere.

and your dumbass doesn't realize that in the moment, Israel advised that it would be difficult and suggested another target.
'jewish cabal shaped policy around Iraq"-strangely you keep on going back to ariel sharon saying invading Iraq was a bad idea-"no my shabbos goyim-if you want to serve us Jews-please invade Iran" Yet my main point-PNAC and the neocons were literal Israel firsters(they called themselves this)-you keep on ducking.

Your defenses are pitiful.
 
https://x.com/axios/status/1934017919110860957
https://archive.is/46oQt
View attachment 7505734
Apparently Israel wants US to die for them now.

Hey Kikes, remember when you said that you didn't need US's help?

Now I can officially say, fuck you. I am not dying for Israel.
Hey buddy look at my attached photo I found a pic of you.
Oh I'm not panicked or anything, just the looking at current events and feeling the vibes. I live in the greatest country on Earth that lets me protect myself, so I do not fear.
just looking out for your health
I thought the US sold Israel a small number of bunker blasters. Maybe they are saving them for a doomsday scenario or something
maybe. But the plant is deep in a mountain not buried underground like nasrallah. But who knows Israel has been planning these attacks for 20 fucking years.
 

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I have explained why I care-political blowback and the collapse of any America first policy-however shallow. A return to 2020 woke with a vengeance. In the next election.

Trump going to war with Iran basically spells the end of any "american nationalism"-and basically guarantees America is a minority majority country by 2040.
It won't be the end of American Nationalism. That doesn't belong to Trump alone. That's an idea and it will never die. Even if Trumps second term goes out not as a bang but a wet fart.
 
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Another democrat in office means mass amnesty-it means the open return of DEI shit in every corporation and school, it means White american demoralization and defeat.

Basically Trumpism just ends in a colossal failure and everything it fought against-happens within 2-3 years of Trump leaving office.
 
According to a report published Doron Kadosh, Israeli intelligence provided the political leadership with a stark warning ahead of its recent operation: Iran is only weeks away from assembling a nuclear bomb, should it choose to do so.

This assessment was based on what officials called "golden information"—a secret intelligence breakthrough that exposed a highly compartmentalized Iranian program focused on developing the critical "weapons group" component of a nuclear bomb.

While Iran already possesses enough enriched uranium for roughly 15 bombs, the weapons group, necessary for weaponization, had long remained hidden. Israeli intelligence uncovered that Iran began assembling elite scientific teams in late 2023, shortly after Hamas’ October 7 attack, each tasked with building parts of the weapons system. These efforts reached the experimental phase in recent months, with successful tests confirming Iran’s rapid technical progress.

Israeli analysts concluded that Iran is now a decision away from being able to assemble a functional nuclear weapon. Intelligence officials warned that Iran’s true capabilities might be even further along than known. This alarming assessment directly influenced Israel's decision to launch a preemptive military strike to prevent Iran from crossing the nuclear threshold.
 
I don't care. Fuck them both.

For everyone who feels a need to be invested, here is a challenge for you: Google the issues in your respective country. Ask yourself why you are more concerned about a squabble in the desert than that. If you can give me an actual answer, I would be shocked.

Let them kill each other. This conflict is not unique, not going help anyone who get involved, and people who have tried for the past 50 or so years to resolve it have not made any headway. Enough is enough. Just let them be!
Well it kind of is an issue when millions of people from your country froth at the mouth for Hamas and Iranian propaganda and act like a herd of sheep.
 
Another democrat in office means mass amnesty-it means the open return of DEI shit in every corporation and school, it means White american demoralization and defeat.

Basically Trumpism just ends in a colossal failure and everything it fought against-happens within 2-3 years of Trump leaving office.
Sometimes things have to get worse before they get better. The fact that some kind of fascistic authoritarian hasn't come to power (think Hitler) tells me things haven't gotten bad enough yet. We are getting close though.
 
'jewish cabal shaped policy around Iraq"-strangely you keep on going back to ariel sharon saying invading Iraq was a bad idea-"no my shabbos goyim-if you want to serve us Jews-please invade Iran"
Since the only part of the 1/8th Cherokee that's manifested itself in you is your brain, I realize I cannot explain it in white man's words. I rewrote it in a way that you could understand better.

"Clean Break was made for Chief Netanyahu. But Chief Sharon, he did not walk that path. When he spoke to Great White Leader Bush, he said: the road to war is long, full of hardship. Better to strike great enemy Iran, not Iraq. When the voice of Israel speaks against the war, you cannot say the war was for Israel. That is not the way."
 
Won't happen-White Americans if demoralized will just give up. Too much to lose. Too shaken by failed promises.

The country will be overrun by a sea of Indians and Hispanics. And all will be lost.

Since the only part of the 1/8th Cherokee that's manifested itself in you is your brain, I realize I cannot explain it in white man's words. I rewrote it in a way that you could understand better.

"Clean Break was made for Chief Netanyahu. But Chief Sharon, he did not walk that path. When he spoke to Great White Leader Bush, he said: the road to war is long, full of hardship. Better to strike great enemy Iran, not Iraq. When the voice of Israel speaks against the war, you cannot say the war was for Israel. That is not the way."
The point is, Jew, that you use the American government as a proxy to advance your national interests.
 
thanks for your unique viewpoint, no one else in the thread has ever said this. Your original thought is greatly appreciated.

I take it you're from the region.

I will bite: Why should I should I be so invested in this conflict, when there is there are domestic and and other international conflicts - some which affect my family - more? Why do you feel if people do not drop everything we deserve ridicule, to be mocked, or to be called moral criminals for not picking a side.

I genuinely want your answer as by your response it sounds like you are from region.
 
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