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Second part is actually hosting a website, and that will require someone with experience. Best thing to do right now if you're actually serious about an alternative is to look for someone willing to host one, it's a big responsibility and that someone HAS TO hate troons or at least agree to insulate the site against them, otherwise this whole thing is a waste of time.
This isn't impossible, but I would not know a first thing about hosting a site, or where to find someone who would be willing to. This is a big forum however, and I know there is people from the community lurking right now. I'm already a data hoarder so I will focus on what I can, I would love to know if someone here has any experience with networking.
luckily we're already on the website that's been most hardened to withstand the very sort of attacks they'd use to take it down, from simply ddosing to writing angry emails demanding a tier 1 stop facilitating traffic. dear feeder is unironically the best person to ask about it all
 
Does it matter if someone does make a TCRF competitor site? The type of people who will flock to it and contribute regularly are the same kind of turbo autists that will eventually troon out themselves and bring us full circle. Even if a group of completely normal people started a replacement, the content is basically The King in Yellow, only for spergs, and would turn them in time.
We structure management in a way that no one can become a despot. Of course there are issues with how the servers are hosted and paid for that gives someone more power.
We have monthly archives of the entire website freely available to download, so someone can offshoot if things go tits up.
 
luckily we're already on the website that's been most hardened to withstand the very sort of attacks they'd use to take it down, from simply ddosing to writing angry emails demanding a tier 1 stop facilitating traffic. dear feeder is unironically the best person to ask about it all
If Null would be willing to lend SneedFlare(I think that's what the DDoS protection is called) that would definitely help against attempts to take the website down, but the biggest problem is making sure nobody infiltrates it from within. The culture itself has to be insular enough that any bad elements are taken care of immediately and pro-troon behavior is not liked by the community. Take a site like this for example, there is a general "no pozloading my neghole" rule which eliminates most problems with weens and attention whores and what have you(legal problems too), and if someone is still retarded after that, the users generally take out the trash themselves. I'm thinking something like that so that the troons can't infiltrate the community and try to take it over, little by little, over time.
Then there is the opposite problem, you don't want this site to just be /pol/ and attract the bad elements from the right wing community who don't give a shit about cut content and beta documenting and just want to talk about how much they hate troons. The site would have to be as apolitical as possible, but with a general understanding that LGBT elements never improve a community and can't be accepted.

This means that this is a three pronged issue: One with capturing archived data from TCRF as a starting point, one with hosting the site and keeping it going against all odds, and then the third one which is honestly the hardest, and that's making sure the site doesn't eat itself alive even if it can be protected from the bad apples(which is a big "if"). It will take a lot of work if people are serious about this, but I think enough gamers are tired of troons and will at least give it a shot. Glad that XKeeper gave people an opportunity to think about this issue with his little temper tantrum.
 
For a site that's nothing but dogshit to this guy, he really loves checking to see what we're writing.
He probably doesn't notice the smell over the stench of rot and decay.
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My suggestion is to host it in a decentralized way such as git and render it using something like GitHub Pages, which is free. Then if anything happens, like the maintainer troons out or a repo gets taken down, the forks remain.
It's much easier to simply have manual vetting for any information before it is made public and added into an article. First, it weeds out trolls, spammers or illegal material. Second, the site isn't active enough that there is ever going to be an active clog in the pipeline, unless there is a big happening or article being written. Third, to combat the former, "trusted" users can forgo the process altogether, once they've proven to be both reliable and not a bad actor. Fourth, if need be you can ask for proof or otherwise vet the information provided, to avoid false info or hoaxes(might be used to discredit the website so that TCRF troons can claim they have the monopoly on well researched articles).
This is why I said that running it would be the hardest part, you would need both trusted and dedicated users to get the site started.
 
I suggest we screen users beforehand / require approval for a new account, accompanied with a few sentences stating why you're joining. The left can, for sure, do raids on these spaces just as the Sharty raids the left. They will vandalize this site to clog it up with "KYS NAZI".
My suggestion is to host it in a decentralized way
...and then put torrents up.
 
Requiring account approval on a wiki never ends well, because it makes it harder for legitimate drive-by editors.
Yes, that is a big deterrent and I am against that. Still, manual vetting to check the information is the least you can do, otherwise it will be chaos. Once the person has made an account and has been vetted(similar to getting a checkmark here), the manual vetting process would go away for that user, if they're planning to be a regular.
 
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I think, at least personally, the account process would be akin to this:
  • If it's a new "unapproved" account, any edits made will need manual moderator approval of each edit before it is visible on the wiki. This is of course, until the moderators themselves mark your account as "trusted".
  • If you're doing automatic account "approval" based on the account aging, it should be a reasonable amount of time (not too long to be frustrating to the account holder, but not completely meaningless either).
    • On that note, the amount of edits should always be factored in when using this method, as otherwise, vandals can easily just make a "time bomb" account that simply waits out until they get approved and then starts spamming shit.
  • Do note that this process would filter out a lot of the stupid shit, but still wouldn't perfectly deal with vandalism. Someone could make innocuous helpful edits to the wiki, get approved, and then immediately do a heel-face turn and start vandalizing, but at this point the vandalism should typically be easily handled by an average moderation team.
 
Does it matter if someone does make a TCRF competitor site? The type of people who will flock to it and contribute regularly are the same kind of turbo autists that will eventually troon out themselves and bring us full circle. Even if a group of completely normal people started a replacement, the content is basically The King in Yellow, only for spergs, and would turn them in time.
This logic is how more and more fun things fall to troons.
(It is also how men get pushed out of spaces by women, but that is not a talk for here)
 
Does anyone have suggestions on where to go for game tools that aids with Datamining/extracting assets and any tutorials on how to do it? I'm thinking of putting some kind of guide together to help with Our™️ TCRF with Blackjack and Hookers, but I'm a retard newnigger that's never dealt with looking through game internals before so if anyone's more experienced in that kind of field, be sure to post about it thx :heart-full:.

Besides that, I will go ahead and drop some useful sites for Our™️ Better™️ documentation website (That you absolutely should archive locally if you can):
-Every Nintendo Power issue on Archive.org: 1, 2
-The VG Resource is a website that's most well known for their child-site: The Spriters Resource for ripped and compiled game sprites (along with its sister-sites for sounds, models, and textures): Mainpage, Sprites, Sound, Models, Textures.
-Vimm.net has a page dedicated to scans of game manuals, you can't select any of the text tho it's all just images: Mainpage
-On a similar note, The Cover Project is a site dedicated to box art scans from just about every console: Mainpage
-While searching for the above, I came across multiple other websites for HQ video game artwork scans. There might be more resources like this out there, but these are the ones I've found thus far: The Video Game Art Archive, VideoGameArt&Tidbits, CreativeUncut, OriginalVideoGameArt
-I posted it already, but here are the websites from TVGHF that has its scans and videos about game development: Mainpage, Sister-site
-While not exactly as "informative" as artwork or unused assets, NEWER VGM Sound Sources (Warning Google link) has been insurmountably useful just to get a peek into what game composers used to make the soundtrack and sound effects of video games.

This is just the tip of the iceberg, there's still stuff like E3 footage or game artbooks to look through, stuff getting leaked like the 2020 Nintendo Gigaleak or 2024 Teraleak (FreakLeak), interviews, documentations, etc etc that Work(less)man and xis team never got around to adding.
 
A dude in here told me privately that a secret cool idea for his TCRF killer is to make it about archival of beta/hidden shit for classic software in general, not just games.

That's a seriously good idea because it's not just games that can have secret archives of spongeman episodes or source backups full of funny developer bitching hidden on the disc. You'd probably still want to put games forefront for the general appeal, but it's another thing to potentially hold over TCRF and make it legit obsolete by encompassing and superseding its scope for nerds like me who dig that shit.

I don't know if that guy has flaked out or fucked off or what but since it sounds like a dozen of you guys are independently building your own TUGSPP I thought I should throw it out there for whoever ends up going through with it.
 
This isn't impossible, but I would not know a first thing about hosting a site, or where to find someone who would be willing to. This is a big forum however, and I know there is people from the community lurking right now. I'm already a data hoarder so I will focus on what I can, I would love to know if someone here has any experience with networking.
Hosting and setting up is not that hard if you know what you're doing (for example, I do). Most of the complexities would be around avoiding PL or facing opposition from powerful entities like payment processors, Cloudflare, etc. If those aren't anticipated to be a problem then getting a domain name, server and setting up a DB and webserver (e.g. Nginx) isn't a big ask. Just needs someone willing to put their name to it and make some payments on their card.

For costs, it's been a while since I've done anything on my own behalf, most is through companies where I haven't been close to the budget, but they're not going to be high for anything that isn't a mainstream site and which largely has text and images. Where costs start soaring is when you're hosting lots of video or you need an unusually large number of servers for geographical latency or redundancy. Neither of which would apply here. I don't know how much video content the site has but I imagine we're not talking Netflix here!

I'm not really familiar with TCRF and never heard of it before Null featured this thread. But looking at it, it's just a MediaWiki install. The requirements on that are nothing esoteric. Could have it up and running in a few days (mainly taking that long due to coordination and schedules).

If Null would be willing to lend SneedFlare(I think that's what the DDoS protection is called) that would definitely help against attempts to take the website down, but the biggest problem is making sure nobody infiltrates it from within. The culture itself has to be insular enough that any bad elements are taken care of immediately and pro-troon behavior is not liked by the community.
KiwiFarms works because we have a benevolent dictator here. It's not a perfect model but it works. Keep the admin list small and gatekeep who joins, that'll work for a good long time. There's always going to be some drama eventually but you can mitigate it by making sure there are publicly available backups of the data.

It will take a lot of work if people are serious about this, but I think enough gamers are tired of troons and will at least give it a shot. Glad that XKeeper gave people an opportunity to think about this issue with his little temper tantrum.
You just need to be clear about the position but not too in your face. Like don't have it on the front page distracting from the actual purpose of the site, but have it on your background page or sign-up policies: E.g. "This site does not allow politics to divert from its mission. Nobody cares if you're gay/straight/purple frog supremacist. But bringing your cultural war into the site is a no-no.

My suggestion is to host it in a decentralized way such as git and render it using something like GitHub Pages, which is free. Then if anything happens, like the maintainer troons out or a repo gets taken down, the forks remain.
That would limit things in many ways. Github isn't meant to be a webhost and git isn't really meant for binary files like images. I would say that if you're anticipating state or state-condoned opposition that way Kiwi Farms faces, then Github would take you down as violating their ToS fairly quickly. And if you're not anticipating that sort of attacks, then it's not necessary to do anything other than traditional hosting. And I don't think there's a reason it should be targeted in this way, right? You guys aren't talking about creating some bastion of anti-troon action or starting a revolution, right? You just want to be able to re-focus on the actual goal of TCRF without the troon-entryism trying to repurpose it as an LGBT canvassing site, no? That's fine. There's nothing wrong with saying: "the politicisation of TCRF interfered with its mission so we're doing our own without that."

I'm having a look at what's involved in exporting the TCRF data. Note, I have no idea what the legal basis for re-hosting it would be. Someone should look for if TCRF has any legal disclaimers about ownership when people contribute to the site (probably not).

EDIT: I see all content on TCRF is licenced under Creative Commons v3 so good to download and transport elsewhere. Apologies - I'm sure someone already covered this earlier.
 
Where costs start soaring is when you're hosting lots of video or you need an unusually large number of servers for geographical latency or redundancy. Neither of which would apply here. I don't know how much video content the site has but I imagine we're not talking Netflix here!
I can't imagine video really being all that necessary tbf. If it's showcasing like a debug menu in action then that can easily just be a .gif. If there must be sound like in a interview, then that could easily be rehosted by linking to a re-upped vid on youtube (that is also up on preservetube), or mirrored on catbox if it's small enough. Archive.org is like a last ditch if the first two aren't available, but providing multiple mirrors to a video is always good etiquette for this.
 
I can't imagine video really being all that necessary tbf. If it's showcasing like a debug menu in action then that can easily just be a .gif. If there must be sound like in a interview, then that could easily be rehosted by linking to a re-upped vid on youtube (that is also up on preservetube), or mirrored on catbox if it's small enough. Archive.org is like a last ditch if the first two aren't available, but providing multiple mirrors to a video is always good etiquette for this.
In that case, I would expect costs to be low. I don't know what sort of traffic the site gets but it can't be that much. And MediaWiki itself just requires a standard LAMP stack (Linux + Apache + MySQL + PHP).
 
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