2025 Israel vs Iran War

Rodeo Roadrunner said:
I disagree. The entire premise of Israel's argument against Iran is "they are trying to build nuclear weapons to use against us." If Iran gives up all uranium enrichment, then Israel has 0 basis whatsoever for any attack against Iran. Iran also starts moving away from being a pariah state, as the US would start to lift some sanctions. I don't see how Iran has far more to gain by NOT having nuclear weapons compared to actually having them.
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There's already no factual basis to attack Iran other than Israel's "trust me bro" claims with the Trump admin. The US will never forgive Iran for the past 46 years and a multitude of historical events, this whole premise is naive or dishonest.

Like Israel wouldn't suddenly huff and puff that they have timely 'intelligence' that non-enrichment Iran is trying to buy a nuclear weapon and the US must do annudah regime change before it's too late.
 
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Rekieta’s Broken Penis said:
You can’t just blow out a 6 month timeline to 30 years. They’ve clearly been lying to create a false sense of urgency.
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i suggest actually looking into the history of the program instead of going off with no information

Judge Holden said:
However it seems that even this cautious optimism might have still been overselling Iran's actual capabilities given the last couple of days
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The mossad infiltration helped a lot.

YautjaWeeb said:
There's already no factual basis to attack Iran other than Israel's "trust me bro" claims with the Trump admin.
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The IAEA literally exposed that Iran was openly lying to them, had parts of a weapon lying around since 2003, and was hiding things from them. This is the same IAEA that refused to go along with Dubya's WMD claims.
 
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Supposedly they weren't ballistic missiles
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Trump is not going to get involved because it would tarnish his legacy. Ego will prevent him from jumping in.

I predict he will only get involved if theres a real nuclear threat. Israel has air superiority save for a few radar guns shooting down drones.
 
National Tragedy said:
Why doesn't Iran just make a dirty bomb and coat Israel in radioactive material using conventional explosives. This way even if it is intercepted the result is still more or less the same. Even if they had conventional nuclear weapons it would be incredibly difficult to deploy successfully.
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Israel has nukes.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
The IAEA literally exposed that Iran was openly lying to them, had parts of a weapon lying around since 2003, and was hiding things from them. This is the same IAEA that refused to go along with Dubya's WMD claims.
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Yeah it's not a coincidence that the IAEA announced Iran was not in compliance with the NPT and Israel attacked like two days later
 
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Qui-Gon's Gin said:
Iran probably wants to make sure that their program can survive Western sanctions and still be weaponized if it comes to that. They do not trust the United States to keep its word, and can you blame them?
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the west isnt the only source of uranium on the world market, far from it. the single biggest miner of uranium is kazahkstan, russia and china also run significant operations in this sector.
there's so many nations in the nuclear industry that are on bad terms with the west. you could have the russians build and run your plants for you if you want, they'll supply the fuel and take back the waste too. their state owned nuclear corporation rosatom already runs programs like that for some other countries i think.
 
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Israeli official claims they were expecting at least 5,000 dead from the Iranian retaliatory strikes + Hezbollah & the Houthis jumping into the fight with both feet. (Archive) Clearly they were way too :optimistic: about the Ummah's abilities & will to fight...

Also, there were British Iranians celebrating the Israeli strikes outside Israel's embassy to the UK yesterday. Lots of Imperial lion-and-sun flags being waved around, and there's even one Sassanid flag at the end. Suffice to say, like the rest of the Iranian diaspora, these people are obviously not big fans of the incumbent theocracy.

 
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Myrtle the Turtle said:
Trump is not going to get involved because it would tarnish his legacy. Ego will prevent him from jumping in.

I predict he will only get involved if theres a real nuclear threat. Israel has air superiority save for a few radar guns shooting down drones.
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Trump told reporters at the G7 less than an hour ago that "we will do something after the G7." What that is decide for yourself
YautjaWeeb said:
IAEA is a political organization.
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The IAEA disagreed with the US multiple times regarding Iran during Trump's first term
Dawdler said:
Never happened. Report was that Iran is following the guidelines.
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tldr Iran refused to give the deets on what it was doing pre-2003 and about suspected undeclared nuclear sites since 2019
 
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Dawdler said:
Yea, because that worked on Libiya, Irak, Syria, Afganistan....
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It actually did work with Libya. We told them to stop their enrichment program, they did, and they were left alone for decades after. The overthrow of the regime during the 'Arab Spring' was a fucking retard mistake by Clinton and the insane people down at the State Department.
Iraq, they had been a problem for decades with the invasion of Kuwait earlier and such. I don't agree with the Iraq invasion, but you can't claim Iraq did nothing and were innocent, when they clearly weren't and hadn't been.
Syria was a just a political tool country that was jerked around by much stronger players in world politics. They were getting yanked around by Russia, Turkey, US, Israel, among others. Nothing they could have done, and certainly not entirely the United States fault.
Afghanistan was where Al Qaida was based, so obviously that was justified. Are you seriously claiming that Afghanistan did nothing wrong and were cooperating geopolitically before the US invasion? Insane revisionist history.
Rekieta’s Broken Penis said:
The same argument they’ve been lying about for the last 30 years? It’s hard not to believe that it’s a spurious argument and they’d say anything to destabilise a regional Islamist power.
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So according to you, Iran wasn't trying to build nuclear weapons? Then why do they need to pursue their own enrichment programs?
 
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