Culture Warhammer 40,000 has slightly more women in it now and the neckbeards aren't happy - We're still not at "female space marines" but give it time.

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Since Warhammer 40,000's 10th edition was released last year, each of the wargame's factions has been getting the traditional rules refresh in the form of a new Codex book. The latest deals with the Adeptus Custodes, genetically engineered bodyguards of the Emperor so gigantic they make space marines look weedy. (They also happen to be Henry Cavill's army of choice). There are 10,000 of them and in the past they've only ever been depicted as men. In this latest iteration, shock horror, at least two of the Custodes are women.

Most players seem to have responded to this by shrugging and getting back to arguing about the new rules, but there's always a vocal minority who go on a tear. The Mail Online ran a typically subtle and understated headline that declared "It's Wokehammer!" and the meme community Grimdank has declared posts about "Femstodes" will only be allowed for one week before they join "Female Space Marine posts" as a banned topic. Games Workshop's official response is a tweet that says, "In regards to female Custodians, there have always been female Custodians, since the first of the Ten Thousand were created."

Is this a retcon? Yep, and it won't be the last. Warhammer 40,000 has had fluid "lore" right from the start. The original Custodian Guards were depicted as shirtless hunks who never leave Earth—a long way from the heavily armored galaxy-spanning golden gods they became—to say nothing of tweaks to the 40K canon like ditching half-eldar space marines and rewriting the Horus Heresy from a short story a handful of pages long into a series of 60+ novels.

The Adeptus Custodes aren't 40K's only genetically engineered supersoldiers, of course. The setting's flagship faction are the space marines, who are created differently—where Custodes are enhanced via a unique process begun when they're infants, space marines begin being grafted with a "gene-seed" when they're on the verge of puberty. And while the explanation that space marine gene-seeds are "keyed to male hormones and tissue types" goes back a way, it's not the real reason Games Workshop made a whole army of dudes who are men.

As GW's former head of IP Alan Merrett once explained on Facebook, "The reason there aren't female Space Marines has nothing to do with lore, or background or character of Marines. It's to do with [the] simple logistics of making miniatures and selling miniatures." In the 1980s GW sold miniatures in sets called blister packs, and as Merrett explained "the intention was that upwards of 25% of all models would be female." That didn't last because "retailers kept complaining to us that customers weren't buying the female models and could we not include any in their restocks." By the time Warhammer 40,000 was designed, GW made sure its poster boys were, well, boys to ensure they'd sell. As Merrett put it, "All the background fluff about why there are only male Marines is there to justify a commercial logistics issue."

And the same was true of the Adeptus Custodes, until it wasn't. Though the customers at the average Warhammer shop are mostly men, these days there are usually one or two women as well. And the men are a lot less likely to throw a hissy-fit about having women in their armies than gamers in the 1980s, despite what Reddit and Twitter might suggest. All of 40K's lore and storytelling exists to provide context for selling toy soldiers to people, and as the customer base changes so too will that lore.

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I knew a girl that was super into Tyranids eating people,
white girls fuck tyranids
and are into vore apparently
Well yeah, that's because the Eldar are very arrogant as a character flaw; and they are a deeply flawed race. The Eldar that talk all that shit, are the surviving ones from when they murder-fucked a deamon god into existence because of how gross and NSFW they were being. The Eldar are responsible for pretty much all the bad things that happen in 40K. They are psychically and physically superior to humans; their technology is more advanced, and they are pretty much better than us. They were still such shitty people that they caused Slaanesh to be born.
there's that and then there's glossing all over it with incessant dick riding
 
I don’t honestly care for HFYism-I don’t have some fragile ego that I invest it in now well fictional human nations or cultures measure up.

Let humans be weak, be frail, be pathetic even. That’s far more interesting than “humanity fuck yeah-those (fictional) aliens think we’re(meaning fictional human stand ins) are awesome”.

If you need your nerd fiction to re affirm some sense of human specialness or destiny, then you probably have some sort of esteem problem. (Not necessarily but I do think that plays into it).
 
I don’t honestly care for HFYism-I don’t have some fragile ego that I invest it in now well fictional human nations or cultures measure up.

Let humans be weak, be frail, be pathetic even. That’s far more interesting than “humanity fuck yeah-those (fictional) aliens think we’re(meaning fictional human stand ins) are awesome”.

If you need your nerd fiction to re affirm some sense of human specialness or destiny, then you probably have some sort of esteem problem. (Not necessarily but I do think that plays into it).
HFY media tends to be painfully cringe, but the opposite is also so.
 
HFY media tends to be painfully cringe, but the opposite is also so.
I'd be able to stand the opposite of HFY media (HFN, Humans Fuck No?) if every time I tried to read/watch one it didn't just boil down to either "uh yeah actually humans deserve this hellish pit of torture and to go extinct because they were slightly racist towards each other and chopped down a couple trees, don't we all have a lesson to learn IRL from this kids?" or "wow being a human sucks, not because we're weak and frail, but because i'm actually retarded with a victim complex, please be sympathetic for me"
 
humans but weird looking and with super powers is lazy and gay

Eldar are space elves. Orks are self explanatory. Elves in fantasy and sci fi have always had some or another advantage over humans. No 40K source says otherwise.
Eh, only somewhat. In typical fantasy elves are superior beings in a moral and enlightened sense as well as in ability. Occasionally that is subverted but seldom to the degree the eldar are. The Eldar are not good beings by almost any stretch. The "nicest" of them are the craftworld ones and that's mainly because the dictates of the Path are so austere rather than any underlying good nature. And even those are far from 'nice'.

And then we get to their mental issues. You get flawed elves in fantasy on occasion but that's usually just arrogance and distance. The Eldar are turbo-autists who have to structure their whole society around countering their obsessive tendencies before one gets so deep into horticulture or poetry or murdering people (three things that they'd mostly regard as equally valid crafts to pursue) that they never come out again. Their Aspect Warriors have a whole set of psychological rituals built around separating out the warrior personality from their day to day selves because slaughtering their enemies and risking their lives is just so damn intoxicating to them. Exarchs are those who become unable to give up the path and it's not regarded as badass, it's regarded as a failure and a tragedy. They're not even mammals. It's said in the lore that they're physiologically closer to reptiles.

They may have started out as "space elves" but that changed very early on. Physically they're weird as well. Their proportions are off and the way they move is said to be very disturbing. Imagine someone who has no casual movements - you're sitting across from them and they never fidget, stretch and you can't read their facial expressions because they come and go too quickly and are too small for humans to really read them. Orks are less disturbing than eldar.

And I'm mainly talking about craftworld eldar too. Exodites are savages, Corsairs are danger-obsessed lunatics and the less said about the Dark Eldar the better.

Orks are superior to all species in all capacities. For them, the great struggle is over. They already won.
If they win, they've won. If they've lost they've had a good time. There's not really any way for orks to lose because their goals aren't any specific objective, they want war for war's sake.

Eldar lore is all over the place. Some authors dick ride them, some authors have elite Fire Dragon units from this dying race show up in the hundreds and get shredded by lasguns. It's the nature of the beast I'm afraid.
Gav Thorpe has written some of the worst 40K fiction I have ever read. Decent takes on the Eldar by someone who doesn't just see them as "Space elves" are rare. Valedor by Guy Haley comes to mind. He's one of the better WH40K authors alongside Chris Wraight.
 
Eh, only somewhat. In typical fantasy elves are superior beings in a moral and enlightened sense as well. Occasionally that is subverted but seldom to the degree the eldar are who are not good beings by almost any stretch. The "nicest" of them are the craftworld ones and that's mainly because the dictates of the Path are so austere rather than any underling good nature. And even those are far from 'nice'.

And then we get to their mental issues. You get flawed elves in fantasy on occasion but that's usually just arrogance and distance. The Eldar are turbo-autists who have to structure their whole society around countering their obsessive tendencies before one gets so deep into horticulture or poetry or murdering people (three things that they'd mostly regard as equally valid crafts to pursue) that they never come out again. Their Aspect Warriors have a whole set of psychological rituals built around separating out the warrior personality from their day to day selves because slaughtering their enemies and risking their lives is just so damn intoxicating to them. Exarchs are those who become unable to give up the path and it's not regarded as badass, it's regarded as a failure and a tragedy. They're not even mammals. It's said in the lore that they're physiologically closer to reptiles.

They may have started out as "space elves" but that changed very early on. Physically they're weird as well. Their proportions are off and the way they move is said to be very disturbing. Imagine someone who has no casual movements - you're sitting across from them and they never fidget, stretch and you can't read their facial expressions because they come and go too quickly and are too small for humans to really read them. Orks are less disturbing than eldar.

And I'm mainly talking about craftworld eldar too. Exodites are savages, Corsairs are danger-obsessed lunatics and the less said about the Dark Eldar the better.
see, it's stuff like this they leave out
they just can't get their elastic dicks out their mouth
 
And then we get to their mental issues. You get flawed elves in fantasy on occasion but that's usually just arrogance and distance. The Eldar are turbo-autists who have to structure their whole society around countering their obsessive tendencies before one gets so deep into horticulture or poetry or murdering people (three things that they'd mostly regard as equally valid crafts to pursue) that they never come out again. Their Aspect Warriors have a whole set of psychological rituals built around separating out the warrior personality from their day to day selves because slaughtering their enemies and risking their lives is just so damn intoxicating to them. Exarchs are those who become unable to give up the path and it's not regarded as badass, it's regarded as a failure and a tragedy. They're not even mammals. It's said in the lore that they're physiologically closer to reptiles.
It's actually kind of ironic, that if humans put the effort in, captured a few Eldar and worked them over properly, they could probably have the Eldar as their pets by exploiting the 'tism tendencies. But they hate xenos so much that they never will.
 
I do agree with @Fapcop that women actually playing the game is a smaller slice than those who paint and / or read the fiction. And that's partly because women on average have more sense than to care about rolling dice, but also because these are the parts of the hobby that are easier to control the social exposure parts of.
It's because grabbing a huge machine gun and joining with your buddies to splatter space bugs is not a common female fantasy.
 
If they win, they've won. If they've lost they've had a good time. There's not really any way for orks to lose because their goals aren't any specific objective, they want war for war's sake.
This isn't entirely true-we see Orks running during the great crusade and in the twice dead king books. Orks will flee if you beat them down hard enough and repeatedly enough.

The "nicest" of them are the craftworld ones and that's mainly because the dictates of the Path are so austere rather than any underlying good nature. And even those are far from 'nice'.
Thirianna in the path of the Eldar series feels genuinely guilty over killing (Chaos corrupted) humans. So much so she leaves the warrior path. No human in 40K is going to have that capacity for self reflection. Eldar can absolutely be kind(one phoenix lord IIRC was secretly helping some charity on the eve of a tyranid invasion)-but they also will always put their own needs first. They see humans as sapient beings-albeit inferior ones. Which is far kinder than most Necron dynasties or the Imperium for that matter.

They're not even mammals. It's said in the lore that they're physiologically closer to reptiles.
And yet-even extremely xenophobic Imperials can't help but think they are drop dead gorgeous. They also give life birth...though Eldar reproduction is extremely slow. Birds maybe? I don't think Eldar biology has a clear earth analogue except a humanoid morphology.

Orks are less disturbing than eldar.
You have a civilized conversation(in certain circumstances) with an Eldar, Orks are just biological violence. (Well except the super smart ones and if you are in a room with those you are in serious trouble).
 
Orks are superior to all species in all capacities. For them, the great struggle is over. They already won.
Many of their crazy weapons, vehicles and even space vessels work simply because of their collective belief altering reality through their latent psychic capabilities.
Imagine every ork in existence believing that they and they alone are the true inheritors of the galaxy. Even the Tyranids might take a moment to stop eating systems and think “what the SHIT?”
Eldar are space elves
Their stat lines are pretty much the same as a standard human’s and they may live for much longer but they’re a dying race because they don’t reproduce well (if at all). Eldar of all kinds are are gay and uninteresting as a faction and I say this as a Xenos player.

That said, 40K hasn’t been a good or well balanced game since 4th edition, maybe 5th at a pinch. The absolute clusterfuck that was 10th edition, where badly thought out rules rocketed Eldar to the top of every tournament for what, a year, just shows that the fanwank novels and chasing the faggot dollar has rotted 40K from the inside out.

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This was the exact moment I noped out of 40K, and I’ve been a player and collector since 1987. The ‘appeal to women’ was never about women. It was always about the faggots.


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Yes I know Shaniqua is AoS but this is what 40K will probably be when they reboot it like they did WHFB. I hate this fucking timeline.

Gav Thorpe has written some of the worst 40K fiction I have ever read.
Thorpe is the spearhead for woke GW along with Dembski-Bowden. The former mostly pollutes the gaming side, the latter the fanwank. How Thorpe still has a job there is a mystery to me, given that his pet project Inquisitor lost them shitloads of money, hardly anyone likes him, and he absolutely despises longbeards in the gaming space.
 
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Many of their crazy weapons, vehicles and even space vessels work simply because of their collective belief altering reality through their latent psychic capabilities.
Imagine every ork in existence believing that they and they alone are the true inheritors of the galaxy. Even the Tyranids might take a moment to stop eating systems and think “what the SHIT?”
if the argument was made for orks, i would have no issue with it honestly
love 'em
 
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This isn't entirely true-we see Orks running during the great crusade and in the twice dead king books. Orks will flee if you beat them down hard enough and repeatedly enough.
But as they say "orkz is nevah defeated. If wez win wez win if wez die we die fighting so that dont count. If we retreat we can come back for anuva go" so it also doesn't count as losing to them. Those mofos are the only ones who are having a great time in 40k.

Drukhari are just fucking psychos. They would extract your entire nervous system to braid a thong out of it and they have the tech to keep you alive and aware of it for however long they want to. Rogue Trader shows it in great detail jfc I should've nuked them
They see humans as sapient beings-albeit inferior ones.
How humans see orkz that's how Aeldari see humans, primitive savages with guns.

Humanity in wh40k does represent the unbreakable spirit of humanity pretty well. We are a stubborn species and sure the number advantage may help them win (meatgrinder tactics) but to get up every morning to suffer another day just so that the enemies can be wiped from existence and to keep the imperium going for another day is impressive.
 
Drukhari are just fucking psychos. They would extract your entire nervous system to braid a thong out of it and they have the tech to keep you alive and aware of it for however long they want to
that is oddly specific
Rogue Trader shows it in great detail jfc I should've nuked them
fed it to the warp
all xenos must die
save pet orks, genestealies, and nids
they're cool
 
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that is oddly specific
If those psycho fucks can braintransplant your being into a towel made of your skin the nerve-thong is probably nothing to them having seen someone say that about getting a big tiddy drukhari gf and I haven't been the same since

save pet orks, genestealies, and nids
Einrich was a cool dude ;c
 
Yes, just sexually. If I see one more tumblr post about "eroticism of the machine" or robot fetish, I gonna fucking scream.
Come on man, we all know what the Techpriests get up to in their shrines when nobody's looking...
No human in 40K is going to have that capacity for self reflection.
They absolutely do. Here's what Amberley Vail, an Inquisitor no less, had to say as part of her "preface" to The Greater Good.
This latest extract from the memoirs of Ciaphas Cain is of interest in several respects, not least in the insights it gives into the workings of tau diplomacy, a weapon in their arsenal at least as potent as a cadre of battlesuits, if rather less liable to make a mess of the carpet.

Although the tau empire is currently co-operating with the Imperium in a joint campaign against the tyranid hive fleets, they can hardly be considered reliable allies, given their notorious opportunism and their obsessive pursuit of the so-called ‘Greater Good.’ Which, let us be clear, would be rather more accurately translated into Gothic as ‘the Greater Good of the Tau, and the warp take the rest.’ I leave drawing any parallel with our own attitude towards the arrangement to those more cynical than I.

Which brings us back to Cain who, if not instrumental in the forging of the pact, undoubtedly played a major role in preventing its premature dissolution, which would have been to the ruination of us all. His motives for so doing were, of course, entirely personal, at least by his own account. As ever, I leave it to the reader to weigh how far he may be taken at his word.As has become my habit over the preceding volumes I have left his narrative as close to how I found it as possible, doing little more than breaking it down into chapters for ease of reading, and inserting additional explanatory material whenever required to elucidate the occasional obscure reference, or provide the wider context generally lacking in his woefully self-centred account of events.
Note the middle part where she all but says the humans are no different from the Tau in how they do things. Not that it bothers her in the slightest because that's just how things work, but she's not deluding herself on what she does and ultimately why. And then there's Ciaphas Cain himself, constantly doing his best to deny he's a somewhat decent man under his lying, grifting, cowardly exterior, along with his fondness for Saint Emilia and her various precepts that concern the fragility of man and the human spirit.
 
Don’t get me started about Temu Flashman ripoff Ciaphas Cain. The number of fanboys who love that slop but won’t even look at a Flashman novel is irritating to me.

You can actually learn some cool shit about the Victorian era of warfare and colonialism from Flashman so to hear people who’ve only read the Cain books say they’re better is annoying to me (and yes I’ve met a few).
 
Warhammer 40K I see ultimately as a tragedy-everyone dances ultimately before the gods, everyone is on a little string in the great web of the architect of fate. Tzeentch and the Pantheon have won. Khorne is omnipotent, Slaanesh is imminent, Nurgle is eternal and Tzeentch literally cannot lose.

Everyone from random guardsman, to commander Shadowsun to Chaos Marines like Ahriman and Bile, to the golden man on the chair-all are doomed, just ultimately toys before the invincible and eternal power of multiversal entropy.

If you dream of a better tomorrow in the IG-where you might retire, you empower with that emotion, Tzeentch, if you kiss your sweetheart coming from a 23 hour shift-you empower slaanesh, when you defend your home from Orks-you strengthen Khorne, when you pray over and comfort dying men and women-Nurgle gets just a little stronger.

Chaos is the womb and tomb of creation, the alpha and omega-and Lorgar was right after all.

Everyone with a soul will be devoured by the warp's predators. Death is no end to suffering.

Hell is open and the devils run the roost.

That to me is Warhammer 40K. A gothic tragedy wherein even defiance is not just futile but adds fuel to the hellish banquet devoured endlessly by the "Old Four"-who are the true victors. The Emperor was a fool and failed.

When the setting ends-(in universe) the pantheon will laugh and move on to consume other realities. That is 40K.
 
You all say this, but what if GW just want to market 40K to female thirsting over Dark Eldar and Konrad Kurze?
Welll, you ain't wrong. If you notice in my posts, I talk about wargames, not 40K or GW. Getting more women to put models on the table and roll dice? That is hunting for a 3 horned unicorn. Even games that go all in on gender parity and talking about how gender special their characters are barely get so much as a tick of extra female players (from my understanding, the Infinity people went from having pin up models to being ashamed of their male gazed past), though I imagine they get a lot of trannies.

As for 40K propper, adding a line of books more focused on the sort of smut that women read but will never openly admit to it? It could work, 40K is broad enough that you can do stuff like this without affecting the core brand. But you still won't get women in masse no matter how much they lust about fixing Konrad. You'll just get a very weird subset of women and if you are very lucky, might make a killing with a limited Konrad shirtless model.

Going beyond the whole women in 40K thing into more about getting normies, the problem usually isn't that they will try a new branch to attract a new demographic, instead they will change the core to be more appealing to the masses and suddenly it's when shit really goes sour. The hardcores are hardcores for a reason, and normies are fairweather consumers in anything like this. What we have seen countless times is changes to make something palatable for "current year", only to have it irritate your core consumer base and not really get much to replace them outside of updoots and articles fanning your ass.

As for the sperging about clutter and decoration and working with your hands. I believe women, like men, very much like working with their hands and making things. But very mechanical things just interest men a lot more, women I'd say are more interested in building something with a use (something they can wear) or something that goes well with the decoration, while with men it seems more about the act of building itself and showing off that they did build that 3000 part jet model with working lights and propelers.
 
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