GPUs & CPUs & Enthusiast hardware: Questions, Discussion and fanboy slap-fights - Nvidia & AMD & Intel - Separe but Equal. Intel rides in the back of the bus.

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Stratos Sphere said:
all they had top do was force the aibs to keep it at/around 600. but they are allergic to getting market share.
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AMD can’t afford to piss off and treat their AIBs like that. Nvidia can because of how big and dominant they are.
 
WULULULULU said:
tl;dr AMD value is super shit and the 9070XT turns out to be a massive failure. Nvidia wins again.
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AMD is "winning" if the cards are selling. Are they above MSRP because of no supply, or low supply and high demand? In reality, Nvidia is winning because they are busy making AI accelerators instead of consoomer GPUs.

The cards are going to be sold for at least another year before they move on to RDNA5/UDNA. We haven't even hit Christmas season yet. So the value proposition can change if the initial hype wears off and prices decline. Or get worse because of current events.
 
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Im in the camp that winners are not going to be defined by performance but by supply and Nvidia is not throwing the gaymers to much bones with they cutting gaming cards production for AI stuff

The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Oh, and I forgot to mention that we are seeing a steady rise of "mobile on desktop" (MODT) where you have a cheaper motherboard with a soldered/BGA mobile chip on it (some of which are equivalent to desktop chips anyway, just running at a lower TDP).


I think we've seen 16-core mobile chips soldered to a motherboard + cooler or no cooler for around $300-400.
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Wondering why the chinese not go the full soldered route because Frameworks is making one of those with the RAM soldered on chip, the chips can be bought for pennies in the market i would gladly take 50 bucks more if the only thing i have to do is just slam a nvme and power it up with any PSU
 
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AMD can’t afford to piss off and treat their AIBs like that. Nvidia can because of how big and dominant they are.
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All they had to do was release their own card and that could've helped with keeping things reasonable. You would think its in the aibs best interest to improve AMD market share, especially the AMD exclusive ones.
This is a weird launch though because by all account this is their most successful gen in a while. The 9070xt is constantly out of stock. The 9070xt is at the top of amazon and newegg sales charts, but i guess that's not enough. Hopefully next gen they keep to msrp and have Nvidia levels of stock.
 
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Cubanodun said:
Wondering why the chinese not go the full soldered route because Frameworks is making one of those with the RAM soldered on chip, the chips can be bought for pennies in the market i would gladly take 50 bucks more if the only thing i have to do is just slam a nvme and power it up with any PSU
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AFAIK, China has pioneered the cheap "mobile-on-desktop" trend:


You are talking about Strix Halo. Here's what the chip alone is going for in Chyna according to a report from May:
AMD Ryzen AI MAX+ “Strix Halo” processors now available for standalone purchase in China
Multiple users are now selling these CPUs, starting at 3998 RMB, or roughly 550 USD, for the flagship MAX 395 processor. The images shared by sellers appear to come from the same source. Reportedly, the 395, 390, and 380 SKUs are on sale and could potentially be soldered directly onto various devices. It might even be a chance to upgrade an already rare Halo Mini-PC.
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Strix Halo does not have the RAM "soldered on chip" or "on package". That was Lunar Lake that did that, and Intel has temporarily abandoned the packaging technique since it cost too much for too little benefit. Strix Halo uses soldered LPDDR5X chips on the motherboard surrounding the mega APU, and a lot of them to fill out the 256-bit memory bus. Framework thought about using LPCAMM for upgradeability, but the signal integrity or spacing apparently wasn't good enough to make it work. Too bad, because memory capacity is a big part of how Strix Halo is upsold. Gaymers can cope with 32 GB (there is no 48 GB option available which I think would be a sweet spot), while AI users aim for 64/128 GB, or more if it were possible to get it.
 
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What is the most reliable budget AM5 CPU? I already got the mobo but I'm wondering what CPU to get (if it comes with a basic cooler, I'm immediately dumping it for a Thermalright cooler).
 
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What is the most reliable budget AM5 CPU? I already got the mobo but I'm wondering what CPU to get (if it comes with a basic cooler, I'm immediately dumping it for a Thermalright cooler).
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If you live near a microcenter I’d try and get a 7600x3d. Otherwise a 9600x is under $200, but is 6 cores if that matters to you.
 
WULULULULU said:
What is the most reliable budget AM5 CPU? I already got the mobo but I'm wondering what CPU to get (if it comes with a basic cooler, I'm immediately dumping it for a Thermalright cooler).
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In terms of what you can regularly buy - the 7600X. If you live near a Microcenter, then you can get a 7600X3D and if you're willing to deal with China then you can get a 7500F.

Honestly though, I'd just save up an extra $100 and buy an 8-core 7700X. Even the Switch 2 comes with 8 cores now.
 
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WULULULULU said:
What is the most reliable budget AM5 CPU? I already got the mobo but I'm wondering what CPU to get (if it comes with a basic cooler, I'm immediately dumping it for a Thermalright cooler).
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Fcret said:
Honestly though, I'd just save up an extra $100 and buy an 8-core 7700X. Even the Switch 2 comes with 8 cores now.
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AMD reportedly preparing Ryzen 7 9700F 8-core processor

This could also be good if you don't mind ditching the iGPU, but we don't know the release date, exact pricing, regionality, etc. Maybe it's out in a month, or 6 months.

The 9600X is $180-190 (w/ a free SSD at Newegg). With about 8% faster gaming performance than the 7700X in a 2024 Tom's review. Which meant 163 FPS avg, compared to 151 FPS for the 7700X. The 7700X is about $260, at least 37% more expensive. Perhaps the 7700X will age better several years from now, but current-gen games shouldn't matter.

Zen 6 using 12-core chiplets will come to AM5, so there could be a nice upgrade path from a currently faster 9600X to some interesting options. AMD *may* make a 10-core the new 6-core.

The Switch 2's 8x Cortex-A78 cores may have IPC better than Zen 2... but they are running at around 1.0-1.1 GHz. Also without SMT/hyperthreading.
 
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This channel does some pretty good videos testing Windows and BIOS settings and debunking a lot of the pseudoscience optimisation guides floating around. I don't know how good his actual testing methodology is but he shows how a lot of the changes people sometimes recommend don't even give 1% improvements in framerates. My only complaint with his channel so far is that he doesn't test many games.
 
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Bogan said:
This channel does some pretty good videos testing Windows and BIOS settings and debunking a lot of the pseudoscience optimisation guides floating around. I don't know how good his actual testing methodology is but he shows how a lot of the changes people sometimes recommend don't even give 1% improvements in framerates. My only complaint with his channel so far is that he doesn't test many games.
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When I've tweaked Windows, I did it to kill useless bloat, telemetry, gay popups, etc. Not to download more FPS.
 
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WULULULULU said:
What is the most reliable budget AM5 CPU? I already got the mobo but I'm wondering what CPU to get (if it comes with a basic cooler, I'm immediately dumping it for a Thermalright cooler).
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I got a 8500g when I was in poverty mode, probably best to avoid if you want to pair it later with a stronger videocard but fine on its own.

Currently looking at a 9600x to replace this.
 
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Bogan said:
This channel does some pretty good videos testing Windows and BIOS settings and debunking a lot of the pseudoscience optimisation guides floating around. I don't know how good his actual testing methodology is but he shows how a lot of the changes people sometimes recommend don't even give 1% improvements in framerates.
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Nearly all gamers play nearly all games at GPU-bottlenecked settings, and even when a game *is* CPU bottlenecked, Windows background processes just aren't consuming much CPU time.
 
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Bogan said:
This channel does some pretty good videos testing Windows and BIOS settings and debunking a lot of the pseudoscience optimisation guides floating around. I don't know how good his actual testing methodology is but he shows how a lot of the changes people sometimes recommend don't even give 1% improvements in framerates. My only complaint with his channel so far is that he doesn't test many games.
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Super informative shit. I never knew that by default your GPU drivers set some scaling BS that adds noticeable latency. Speaking of, in the process of looking for power profile tweaks and visiting this guy's Discord on an alt just to download his shit (hate when people do that), I discovered this guy, Khorvie, who also does various tweaks and shares them. His power profile was the one recommended in FSL's video.
Really, if you approach these tweaks with the expectation of "getting your OS to peak performance" rather than "getting 1000FPS on a GT 730" then yeah, these are great, and it feels good when you actually utilize your hardware to it's fullest potential.
 
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Intel Nova Lake-S Desktop CPU SKUs Leak: Up To 52 Cores With 16 P-Cores, 32 E-Cores & 150W TDP, Entry-Level SKUs With 12 Cores
  • Core Ultra 9 - 16 P-Cores + 32 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (150W)
  • Core Ultra 7 - 14 P-Cores + 24 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (150W)
  • Core Ultra 5 - 8 P-Cores + 16 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (125W)
  • Core Ultra 5 - 8 P-Cores + 12 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (125W)
  • Core Ultra 5 - 6 P-Cores + 8 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (125W)
  • Core Ultra 3 - 4 P-Cores + 8 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (65W)
  • Core Ultra 3 - 4 P-Cores + 4 E-Cores + 4 LP-E Cores (65W)
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This is interesting. From what I understand, Nova Lake will use one or two CPU tiles with 8+16 each, allowing it to double the core count. The 14+24 should be using two tiles with 7+12 cores enabled each. I expected to see 12 P-cores in this list, but not 14.

Making LPE-cores mandatory will improve idle power consumption on desktop, if they are implemented properly. AMD is expected to follow suit with Zen 6, putting 2 "LP" cores (but 4 threads) in the I/O chiplet.

Intel Nova Lake-S Desktop CPUs To Feature DDR5-8000 Memory Support Natively, Up To 36 PCIe Gen 5.0 Lanes
Intel Nova Lake-S reportedly supports DDR5-8000 memory and 36x PCIe 5.0 lanes
 
The Mass Shooter Ron Soye said:
Intel Nova Lake-S Desktop CPU SKUs Leak: Up To 52 Cores With 16 P-Cores, 32 E-Cores & 150W TDP, Entry-Level SKUs With 12 Cores

This is interesting. From what I understand, Nova Lake will use one or two CPU tiles with 8+16 each, allowing it to double the core count. The 14+24 should be using two tiles with 7+12 cores enabled each. I expected to see 12 P-cores in this list, but not 14.

Making LPE-cores mandatory will improve idle power consumption on desktop, if they are implemented properly. AMD is expected to follow suit with Zen 6, putting 2 "LP" cores (but 4 threads) in the I/O chiplet.

Intel Nova Lake-S Desktop CPUs To Feature DDR5-8000 Memory Support Natively, Up To 36 PCIe Gen 5.0 Lanes
Intel Nova Lake-S reportedly supports DDR5-8000 memory and 36x PCIe 5.0 lanes
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What would the P-cores be clocked at? Also the 9 series SKU only being at 150w TDP? I’ll believe it when I see it.
 
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