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Ah ok. But isnt that kind of misleading? I actually watched a Kitguru video earlier today and they had a CPU power chart.
It's less misleading than pre-Alder Lake materials that reported only a "TDP". Now most processors (except Alder Lake-N) have a base and turbo TDP listed.

As for clocks, Raptor Lake 14th gen peaked at 6.0 GHz for the 14900K, 6.2 GHz for 14900KS, Arrow Lake 285K reels it in to 5.7 GHz. My guess is Nova Lake will be in the 6.0-6.5 GHz range. It's possible that TSMC N2X or future nodes get near 7.0 GHz. I don't know what nodes Intel is using.
 
Ah ok. But isnt that kind of misleading? I actually watched a Kitguru video earlier today and they had a CPU power chart.

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So at least under load, the Ultra 9 is consuming over 200 watts.
No, it's not misleading. Base TDP is what the CPU consumes at its base clock speed. If you have a good cooler, it will run at its turbo clock speed for longer and consume more power. Turbo TDP for that same CPU is 250W. So what the chart shows is the machine they had it in had good enough cooler to keep the thing running pretty close to its turbo clock speed of 5.7 GHz for ten full minutes (they have it listed as 5.3 for some reason).
 
No, it's not misleading. Base TDP is what the CPU consumes at its base clock speed. If you have a good cooler, it will run at its turbo clock speed for longer and consume more power. Turbo TDP for that same CPU is 250W. So what the chart shows is the machine they had it in had good enough cooler to keep the thing running pretty close to its turbo clock speed of 5.7 GHz for ten full minutes (they have it listed as 5.3 for some reason).
I guess I’m just miffed about why they even advertise a base TDP to begin with. I imagine most people buying high end silicon for gaming or production are going to be a lot more concerned about how much power a chip is consuming when it’s being utilized than when it’s idle or doing less demanding tasks.
 
I guess I’m just miffed about why they even advertise a base TDP to begin with.
Because it's the steady-state TDP under load unless you have a bomb-ass cooler. My i9-12900 won't stay at its max TDP of 202W for more than about 5 seconds because I have it in a cramped little mini case. I actually manually throttled it to 160W anyway.

I imagine most people buying high end silicon for gaming or production are going to be a lot more concerned about how much power a chip is consuming when it’s being utilized than when it’s idle or doing less demanding tasks.
People who do work care more about getting their work done than saving the planet. It's why AMD's 350W TR PRO CPUs are so popular. Of course, that's base. Probably draws over 500W when it's boosting. That said, if you don't want your CPU to draw a lot of power, you can just downclock it. It's trivial to cap that Core Ultra 9 at 5.0 GHz. The fact so few people do that should tell you how few people really care about power consumption.
 
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People who do work care more about getting their work done than saving the planet. It's why AMD's 350W TR PRO CPUs are so popular. Of course, that's base. Probably draws over 500W when it's boosting. That said, if you don't want your CPU to draw a lot of power, you can just downclock it. It's trivial to cap that Core Ultra 9 at 5.0 GHz. The fact so few people do that should tell you how few people really care about power consumption.
Caring about power usage in your PC is gay. I shoved a 1000 watt supply in mine so I wouldn't have to worry about any of that shit. Fuck the planet, let the coal plants burn.
 
What is a good CPU to pair with a b580. I have a 5600x (which is fine) but I have some spare cash and want to spend a bit more on a better CPU to use the cards full potential. Any suggestions?
 
What is a good CPU to pair with a b580. I have a 5600x (which is fine) but I have some spare cash and want to spend a bit more on a better CPU to use the cards full potential. Any suggestions?
Any x3D version you can get your hands on.

Also those 36 PCIE lanes on the new Intels are nice. 24 isn't enough with 16 being taken by a GPU.
 
Ah ok. But isnt that kind of misleading? I actually watched a Kitguru video earlier today and they had a CPU power chart.

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So at least under load, the Ultra 9 is consuming over 200 watts.
Base TDP of my i5-12400 is 65W, but realistically it's 117W when it turbo boosts at full power. Same applies to the Ultra 9 285K.
EDIT: Yeah rate me late, didn't realize I was a page behind but for posterity I'll leave the Ark links and the anecdote.
 
Anon doesn't know, his electric bills.
My microwave uses 1000 watts man. Not that a biggie. And I make sure not to leave it on 24/7/365.
Base TDP of my i5-12400 is 65W, but realistically it's 117W when it turbo boosts at full power. Same applies to the Ultra 9 285K.
EDIT: Yeah rate me late, didn't realize I was a page behind but for posterity I'll leave the Ark links and the anecdote.
I still don't get why you don't upgrade to a 12700k. Even Gamers Nexus recommended it in his 2024 roundup. It would pair nicely with your 3090. 12 cores in an 8P+4E setup, more versatile than a 5800x, hits 5ghz, and dirt cheap all things considered.
 
I still don't get why you don't upgrade to a 12700k.
1. I like to have that AVX-512 for emulation and good luck finding a used Alder Lake that didn't have it phased out. Plus the E-cores were the culprit of Intel getting rid of it, the i5-12400 has none so it's fine.
2. I despise my Gigabyte motherboard so I'd rather splurge out on a brand new AM5 base with DDR5 RAM if I were to upgrade my CPU.
3. It's still doing just fine so no rush to upgrade, still way better than the i5-4460. So far I'm satisfied with my build, as janky as it is.
 
ive left my computer on for months straight, only shutting down because i lost to the win10 update system or a power outage
Your CPU shouldn't be blasting up to 5 GHz while your computer is asleep, so it doesn't really matter what peak power consumption is in that case. Intels tend to have lower idle power consumption than Ryzens, though of course that's generationally dependent.

What is a good CPU to pair with a b580. I have a 5600x (which is fine) but I have some spare cash and want to spend a bit more on a better CPU to use the cards full potential. Any suggestions?

The B580 seems to be heavily CPU-constrained on Ryzens and pre-Alder Lake intels. Nobody seems to have figured out what exactly is the issue. Even pretty good 11th gen Intels shit the bed, but the i5-12400 seems to do just fine. So either the most powerful Ryzen you can afford, or a recent Intel.
 
The B580 seems to be heavily CPU-constrained on Ryzens and pre-Alder Lake intels. Nobody seems to have figured out what exactly is the issue. Even pretty good 11th gen Intels shit the bed, but the i5-12400 seems to do just fine. So either the most powerful Ryzen you can afford, or a recent Intel.
Any AM4 cups you could specifically recommend?
 
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5700 X3D can be a big boost.

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Note that the i5-12400F also gets 100 fps in Spider-Man. Seems like they only tested B580 drivers on Alder Lake-derived chips. Intel's QA has really gone to shit.
 
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Was he in the wrong?

And speaking of Pat, does anyone know where I can source the original footage of Intel's "AI Everywhere" keynote from December 14th 2023 where Pat said "kids, papa's here" when presenting Intel Foundry node wafers?
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