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WASHINGTON, June 16 (Reuters) - The U.S. Department of Homeland Security on Monday told staff it was reversing guidance issued last week that agents were not to conduct immigration raids at farms, hotels and restaurants, the Washington Post reported late on Monday.
Officials from Immigration and Customs Enforcement, including its Homeland Security Investigations division, told leaders at the agency in a call Monday that agents must continue conducting workforce site immigration raids on agricultural businesses, hotels and restaurants, the newspaper reported, citing two sources familiar with the call.

The Department of Homeland Security, of which ICE is a part, had no immediate comment late on Monday.
An internal email reviewed by Reuters, a senior U.S. official and another source told Reuters late last week that President Donald Trump's administration had directed immigration officials to largely pause raids on farms, hotels, restaurants and meatpacking plants.

Trump took office in January pledging to deport millions of immigrants in the U.S. illegally. While Trump framed the effort around removing serious criminals, thousands of suspected immigration offenders with no criminal records have been swept up in recent months.
ICE's more aggressive tactics - including raids in Los Angeles - have sparked protests.

 

[qoop]

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

 

[OJ Simpson]

While Trump framed the effort around removing serious criminals, thousands of suspected immigration offenders with no criminal records have been swept up in recent months.

Tbh I'm sick of this argument already. It's partly Trump and the admin's fault for throwing a bone on the issue and not taking a more hardline stance (I get why they framed it the way they did). Personally, I don't give a fuck if you chopped someone's head off or you just work behind a counter at City's Local Meats & Things, illegal is illegal. If you're here illegally, you have to go. You can get fast tracked if you have a spotless record while you were here, I'm fine with that, but in the meantime you just have to go and we'll deal with your return when we cross that bridge. You entered illegally, therefore you fucking committed a crime. What the fuck about this is not getting through peoples heads?

This is what happens when you try to compromise with a party who's only compromise is their way or the highway. This is literally the law of the land being enforced and you have one side of the aisle burning cities down and assaulting members of law enforcement because they dare follow the rules. It's lunacy.

 

[AndSothisIsChristmas]

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

This is the bandaid-rip sort of necessary economic pain, same as the tariffs. Lasts for a second, but the positive lingering effects last far longer than the momentary sting.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

This is the bandaid-rip sort of necessary economic pain, same as the tariffs. Lasts for a second, but the positive lingering effects last far longer than the momentary sting.

Ok, but without Mexicans, who will pick the cotton?

 

[AndSothisIsChristmas]

Ok, but without Mexicans, who will pick the cotton?

Paint me black brown and call me Sambo Pancho

 

[Nick Gars]

Ok, but without Mexicans, who will pick the cotton?

Well... *cracks whip*
We could always learn a thing or two from our forefathers.

 

[Jinn in the phone]

I'll take a page out of the miganigga playbook and say I'll believe it when I see it. However this saga is strange, I imagine some deal with various industry associations fell through. The Nation hungers for the beanocaust.

 

[MadStan]

I call bullshit. They were told not to and are now being told “oh ignore that instruction wink wink”. Such overt bullshit; the mandate to ignore farms and hotels still in effect.

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

wait a minute we gave them a chance to breathe freely and then went in anyway?

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

They'll survive.

Book 'em.

 

[ghastlyretard]

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

Don't worry, you'll get your soybean shipments.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

Non-citizens are still allowed to work agriculture under a H-2A visa, there are around 150,000 H-2A holders working at all times. The trick is that farmers and Big Ag still have to pay and treat them the same as any other American working as a farmhand or farm laborer.

Illegals not only destroy the wages and conditions of Americans, they also destroy the wages and conditions of honest, legal foreign workers.

Agriculture as a vector for illegal immigration deserves to face a reckoning.
“But who will pick the crops?” cry the progressive left. And the answer is, properly paid, well-treated working-class people of diverse backgrounds who deserve a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work. I thought the progressive left popped a collective boner for people in low-skill jobs being treated fairly and paid properly. Apparently I was wrong.

I call bullshit. They were told not to and are now being told “oh ignore that instruction wink wink”. Such overt bullshit; the mandate to ignore farms and hotels still in effect.

Yeah I’m more inclined to trust Reuters than you, shitshooter.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

H-2A visa

Trump should spend all month talking about the H-2A visa, most voteniggers don't even know it exists. There's a simple and legal path to infinity beaners picking your shit, but you have to pay them as if they were legals, which the farms don't want to do, being cheap as fuck.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Trump should spend all month talking about the H-2A visa, most voteniggers don't even know it exists. There's a simple and legal path to infinity beaners picking your shit, but you have to pay them as if they were legals, which the farms don't want to do, being cheap as fuck.

H-2B’s cover your unskilled non-agricultural temporary workers, so there are your cleaning ladies, house maids, prep cooks, dishwashers, bar backs, food processors, carwash workers etc.
Once again, it’s not a case of businesses needing to hire illegals, it’s businesses hiring them to fuck with wages and conditions.
Knowingly hiring an illegal should be a federal crime because it’s in breach of work-visa laws. And by knowingly, I mean that any employer who can’t provide proof of any employee’s SSN and citizenship status should have their business placed on hold until background checks are complete.

 

[GamerGateSurvivor]

I can understand the hotels and restaurants. But if we're going to get rid of the illegals picking crops, we should at least ease into it. Fucking with the food supply is an easy way to destabilize a nation.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

. And by knowingly, I mean that any employer who can’t provide proof of any employee’s SSN and citizenship status should have their business placed on hold until background checks are complete.

To me it's one thing if one employee out of a hundred turns out to be an illegal, but if 50-80% of them are illegals, there's no fucking way you didn't know.

I can understand the hotels and restaurants. But if we're going to get rid of the illegals picking crops, we should at least ease into it. Fucking with the food supply is an easy way to destabilize a nation.

I wouldn't be surprised if the "pick your own strawberries" farm nearby raises prices because muh deportations. lol

 

[Neodanthril]

suspected immigration offenders with no criminal records

immigrating illegally is by definition illegal.

Seems like a bad business decision. Ag business is going to take a hit with this and tariffs.

fucking good. megafarms have certinaly not help the decline of small town america.

 

[SITHRAK!]

To me it's one thing if one employee out of a hundred turns out to be an illegal, but if 50-80% of them are illegals, there's no fucking way you didn't know.

I’d propose the business freeze to both make sure business owners don’t take the risk if there’s any doubt, and also to help put the identity thieves/fraudulent document makers out of business.
If that one guy in a hundred turns out to have fake docs, well fair enough, you’re back in business the next day. If he has none, you’re cooked.
The perfect world would make working legally on a visa cheaper and easier than paying José $300 for fake papers and fuck only knows how much to the coyotés to get across the border.
As an added bonus, legal workers are less likely to be carrying a kilo or two of fent, or to end up in debt to cartels and hooking to pay it off.

 

[JULAY]

Non-citizens are still allowed to work agriculture under a H-2A visa, there are around 150,000 H-2A holders working at all times. The trick is that farmers and Big Ag still have to pay and treat them the same as any other American working as a farmhand or farm laborer.

Illegals not only destroy the wages and conditions of Americans, they also destroy the wages and conditions of honest, legal foreign workers.

Agriculture as a vector for illegal immigration deserves to face a reckoning.
“But who will pick the crops?” cry the progressive left. And the answer is, properly paid, well-treated working-class people of diverse backgrounds who deserve a fair day’s pay for a fair day’s work. I thought the progressive left popped a collective boner for people in low-skill jobs being treated fairly and paid properly. Apparently I was wrong.


Yeah I’m more inclined to trust Reuters than you, shitshooter.

A reasonable, educated, nuanced opinion? This is Kiwi Farms, you can't have one of those!

Knowingly hiring an illegal should be a federal crime because it’s in breach of work-visa laws. And by knowingly, I mean that any employer who can’t provide proof of any employee’s SSN and citizenship status should have their business placed on hold until background checks are complete.

E-Verify has been around for almost 20 years, there is no excuse for every business in America not being required to use it already. It would be easy enough to codify it into Federal law, but there are a bunch of rich pricks who wouldn't like that very much, so of course it will never happen.

I’d propose the business freeze to both make sure business owners don’t take the risk if there’s any doubt, and also to help put the identity thieves/fraudulent document makers out of business.
If that one guy in a hundred turns out to have fake docs, well fair enough, you’re back in business the next day. If he has none, you’re cooked.
The perfect world would make working legally on a visa cheaper and easier than paying José $300 for fake papers and fuck only knows how much to the coyotés to get across the border.
As an added bonus, legal workers are less likely to be carrying a kilo or two of fent, or to end up in debt to cartels and hooking to pay it off.

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