2025 Israel vs Iran War

draggs said:
From everything I've read, Iran wants to basically go status quo ante bellum, Israel stops bombing, Iran stops shooting missiles, Iran and the US go back to negotiating, everyone acts like the last week didn't habben

Which obviously Netanyajoo isn't going to accept, and it sounds like Trump thinks Iran was stringing him along so he will want some concessions from Iran just to start talking again
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Seems like it. I have no idea what Iran's strategy was with not answering the deadline. I guess on some level they knew Trump wasn't going to just start bombing the shit out of them (not anymore than he occasionally did prior anyway) so their only recourse might've been even more sanctions (which America might not do if their intent is furthering diplomacy) or extending the deadline. I doubt Iran was going to have a nuke ready within a few months more, and that's not even rooted in the premise of me thinking they're incapable of it or something, I just think they were probably a ways off. Their current nuclear facilities aren't even theirs as far as I'm aware, they were built by the Russians.

Iran was probably in its most desirable state prior to the Israeli strikes, since I believe they're not funding Hezbollah quite as heavily anymore (North Korea's picking up the slack, bizarrely, lmao) so maybe they were hoping, rather naively, that things would just go quiet with the burden on their expenses lessened; but just because you paid and armed someone else to deliver a punch on your behalf doesn't make it not yours, so retaliation of some kind from Israel was perhaps inevitable without the US intervening on their behalf.

I thought this back and forth would cease today when it started, and I was wrong (unless today is the last day, and things will in fact stop tomorrow :optimistic: ) but I think from the Iranian perspective, their regime is propped up by largely by the Islamist part of their population who hates Israel and America, so kowtowing to either would perhaps leave them with no popular support whatsoever, which the Ayatollah needs to cling to power, so any overt approach to America for diplo talks might not be on the cards, especially since both the American and Israeli sides have expressed a desire for the regime to fall. They're in a bind, lmao.

Edit: Maybe the Iranian leadership wants America to invade/intervene rather than be put at the mercy of their own people, considering what happened to Saddam, Gadhafi, etcetera.
 
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In the name of #Heydar, the battle begins

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ThisIsGonnaBeGood said:
Yeah, I've decided. Anyone who posts propaganda this cringy deserves to be nuked.
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The nuclear bomb caressing was pretty bad but they got a pretty good artist for the Khamenei social media post.

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Can't understand any of the writing but there was clearly some level of effort and symbolism put into the piece as a whole.
 
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ReceiveAndAsk said:
Jew sperging
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Very cool. Anything on topic to add to the thread?

Maybe someone with knowledge can explain it to me, but is there a reason Israel doesn't have the capacity and equipment to bomb Fordow? I understand it requires a particular kind of bomb that the US has, but is there a reason Israel could never have made or bought one, and could never have acquired a plane to drop one? Is it just a matter of the US monopolizing a one-of-a-kind weapon? I just feel like, if I were Israel seeing Fordow being made, I would have started a project immediately to make my own bunker buster.

draggs said:
Israel: We are bombing Iran because we don't want them to get a nuke
Iran: Posts weird af video implying they have a nuke

Is that supposed to make Israel want to bomb them less or something? Muslimbrain is fucking weird
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This is why I think it's so cringe to see people like Tucker Carlson, Sagar Enjeti, etc. on the right who outright deny that Iran wants nuclear weapons. Iran doesn't even hide that it wants and is trying to make nuclear weapons. If you don't want American involvement, that's fine. But trying to deny something that even Iran doesn't deny is insane to me.
 
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Breadbassket said:
The nuclear bomb caressing was pretty bad but they got a pretty good artist for the Khamenei social media post.

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Can't understand any of the writing but there was clearly some level of effort and symbolism put into it.
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Could be AI but if it is it's much better AI than the images from like 80 pages ago
 
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draggs said:
Israel: We are bombing Iran because we don't want them to get a nuke
Iran: Posts weird af video implying they have a nuke

Is that supposed to make Israel want to bomb them less or something? Muslimbrain is fucking weird
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Could be as simple as them bluffing that they have a nuke nobody knew about and if they attack they might retailiate, etc. Could be them being desperate and flailing as much as they can to earn time to do something.

Would've loved to be a fly in the wall of whatever leadership they have left when they decided to tweet that.
 
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Supplemental Authority said:
I am not emotionally invested in either side of this conflict. However, for anyone with an IQ above room temperature, the deranged reactions to @Catch_The_Rainbow posting up-to-date info is fantastic propaganda for Israel.

Yes, yelling about the "kike faggots" (or whatever) is edgy and earns Internet points. However, normal Americans, etc. (1) like to seem well informed, and (2) would not be caught dead being associated with antisemitism. So this actively, aggressively repels people into being pro-Israel.

We see this nonsense over and over again, from the American Nazi Party to Students for Justice in Palestine. The behavior and speech of the "anti-Zionists" do more to improve public perception of Israel than AIPAC ever could.

I hope no one other than Null (PBUH) gets their opinions from KF. Nevertheless, if you're an anti-Zionist and CTR is a Zionist shill, then why are you actively helping him?
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Damn there's more of em crawling of the woodwork. But anyway, yes, normies are very flaky and reject the 'anti semitic' ideas at first. But even normies are eventually capable of pattern recognition. And when they start smelling bullshit, eventually the overton windows gets pulled back enough that it's okay to say that perhaps it's a problem the disproportionate amount of insitutional power in the West is in the hands of Jews and Israel, who act in a way contrary to the Western nation's benefit.
 
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