Dragon Age: The Veilguard - A woke disaster? Yep!

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Are u woke enough for this game?

  • Hell yeah, I want play it with my wife's son

    Votes: 169 9.4%

  • Nope, I need to suck more girlcock first

    Votes: 389 21.7%

  • Yasss, I identify as an autistic dwarf of color

    Votes: 376 21.0%

  • Nah, I rather play Fallout76

    Votes: 855 47.8%
  • Total voters
    1,790
Helping Friendly Book said:
it’s been a joke since Zoe Quinn fucked five guys lol
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And now you got Alyssa Mercante who wants to be the next big GamerGate whore, just like Zoe Quinn. Speaking of, here's her reaction on Jason Schreier's Bloomberg article on the failure of Dragon Age: The Veilguard.
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Here's what I don't get. If you're fired and looking for a writing job, won't it make sense to post on your socials things like how you write, samples of your stuff, etc just to show off your goods? Instead, I see these unemployed losers still terminally posting and reposting blind lefty ideology from the "right people" - great move in a time when corporates are trying to tone down the activism in their products.
 
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BlankSpaceBaby said:
Here's what I don't get. If you're fired and looking for a writing job, won't it make sense to post on your socials things like how you write, samples of your stuff, etc just to show off your goods? Instead, I see these unemployed losers still terminally posting and reposting blind lefty ideology from the "right people" - great move in a time when corporates are trying to tone down the activism in their products.
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they're products of nepotism
merit and experience is not at all what they get hired on
 
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CAPTAIN HAPPY said:
They/them had plenty of time and resources to add in troon scars and a whole quest chain about troonism, but didn't have such to make an actually good game.
But it's all the right's and EA's fault.
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I'd been a Dragon Age fan since the beginning (and subsequently close to middle aged, so I'm sure not in their desired demographic anymore), and despite the 5th Avenue parade of red flags this game was throwing out for the last few years, I was desperately holding out hope that it would be at least tolerable. The gruesome mastectomy scars in the character creator, sold as representative and ennobling, were the final straw. You can't blame that on EA, and you have to wonder how many people were put off by that or similar idiotic, alienating choices.
 
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Mola Ram said:
and you have to wonder how many people were put off by that or similar idiotic, alienating choices.
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I'm one of the old retards that has been playing bioware games since BG1. Even after DA2 and Inquisition I kept holding out hope that maybe they could still make another good game, maybe just one more. Then I saw the character creator and that hope just died.

I haven't even pirated it and I have no plans to. Bioware is dead.
 
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BoomerSperg1922 said:
Bioware is dead.
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Pretty much, yeah, but mostly because, when push came to shove and the future of the company was on the line, instead of giving costumers what they wanted, they decided to shit out Veilguard.

And yeah, okay, EA might share some of the blame for flip-flopping on whether they wanted the game to be live service or singleplayer, but that had very little to do with the art direction, writing, choice of party members, romances etc., that blatantly signified who the game was for, and it certainly wasn't the male, heterosexual demographic that makes up the vast, vast majority of the cRPG (and gaming) market.

If they can't even give up "owning the chuds" with their livelihoods on the line, there's no hope for Mass Effect, or anything else they decide to make.

The only amazing thing from the report is that EA keeps BioWare around because they're banking on the hope they'll make a hit again, despite the fact they've not managed to do so in more than a decade.
 
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If EA is anything like the big global corpos I had the misfortune to work in, BioWare is still around likely because these days, it is far more aggravating to dissolve a company than to just let itself run into the ground. The CEO knows he will be transferred out or retire in a few years, so why bother? His underlings have the same idea: why do extra work when they are already getting paid a lot for doing what they already do? The shareholders get their profits from other divisions, they don't give a shit about that one non-profitable department. The impetus to dissolve a company - which would require auditing, dealings with unions and lawyers and PR companies and more - is not there.

TL; DR: Lack of profits is not always the guaranteed killing blow in a big corpo. Just have to look at Lucasfilm and MCU to see that. Maybe BioWare would FINALLT die if the management were caught on tape announcing that they worship Trump as a god and they would love nothing more than to rim his uncleaned anus after he has taken a big shit? Who knows.
 
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Ishtar said:
Oh so wow, this claim I made really touched off a nerve.

I don’t mean to patronize or insult conservatives, I do think however there are real psychological differences as well as stated above, an internal culture that looks down on creative pursuits(at least in comparison to liberals).

Tolkien and Lovecraft(the men actually had vastly different beliefs) were from another era-both were (somewhat) upper class men of letters, with a wide education in the classics, that doesn’t exist anymore. Neither fits the archetypal “American conservative” today.
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Maybe just maybe it had to do with Tolkien going through WW1. That must have completely made him aware of how easy life can end on the battlefield, another story not written…
Also, the „American conservative“ today is the 90s liberal.
 
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My point is Tolkien does not cleanly fit the profile of the "conservative". Politically yes-artistically? No.
 
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My point is Tolkien does not cleanly fit the profile of the "conservative". Politically yes-artistically? No.
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because art is escapism, politik is reality and seeing some people you shared some banter with being blasted to bits tend to change your line of thinking...
also congrats on the pink triangle.
 
This fucking insanity seems to have been missed. The tie-in podcast for veilguard won some award.

Here's the actual award list for this Tribeca Festival shit. With categories like "environmental impact" and "social impact"
Best Audio/Podcast: Dragon Age: Vows & Vengeance from Electronic Arts, BioWare, directed by Matt Sav
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that's the only mention about it, and it's 3/4 of the way through the article.

Then there's this hallucination.
"Dragon age fans are apologizing to the writers after the veilguard backlash"

All because some reddit user posted some shit about blaming EA and the voice actor strike.
I have been very critical of the Veilguard and its tone, writting and lack continuity ever since it released at the end of Octuber 2024, and I tended to put the blame on the Trinity (John Epler, Corinne Burshe and lead writer Trick Weekes) for the game's tone and writting, and thus its failure.

But with Shreier's article, we now know the people responsible were EA and the first director Matt Goldman who heavily pushed for a "fun and bright" Guardians of the Galaxy-esque tone and writting for the always-online Dragon Age game.

Then EA/BioWare demanded the game be more serious after the failure of Square Enix's Forspoken (which was heavily criticized for its "modern dialogue" which included a lot of snark, swearing and self-aware humor) but EA refused to give the team the time and money to change course.

Also, because of the Voice Actors' strike, not much of the dialogue could be changed, which explains why world state continuity was removed and why the partymembers don't seem to be bothered by the downfall of civilization around them. Plus how Taash was handled and the lack of options to express more than one opinion to a topic or subject.

I assume that nobody cares about my thoughts yet I want to adknowledge that me constantly blaming the Trinity pushed the idea that they were either the sole reason or one of the major reasons for the game's failure and the death of the franchise.

If anything, most of Schreier's article were things that I already suspected for some time (the first director pushing for "fun and bright", the lack of budget, the attempt to make the game more gritty late-in-development, the Destiny-esque Morrison) yet I still had this feeling that Trinity still held some culpability for the final product but now I can safely assume that they tried their best with a bad deck of cards.

Edit #1: I should mention that I still consider The Veilguard a dumbed down game for the YA audience.

Edit #2: I should also mention that while the game's overall direction was not their fault, their insistence that the removal of World States, tame romances and lack of roleplaying options was for the betterment of the final game - was wrong and should be held against them.
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Is this the legacy of this franchise now, so dull that shit like this needs to be reported on? Wow.
 
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p1138 said:
Is this the legacy of this franchise now, so dull that shit like this needs to be reported on? Wow.
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at this point it's just the fucking retards in there trying their best to not be replaced by jeets or SEAmonkeys.
sure you could say muh culture war but that is only for the grifters i told you about in the w40k thread and i don't think EA has any will to dissolve bioware, not until ME5, if that shit flops they are 10000% cooked.
it's not like criterion and how they are being told to move to left and right to make NFS even though they slap a ton of burnout mechanics to it because criterion knows how to make burnout, not nfs.
how could EA possibly humiliate bioware outside selling them to gearbox? is there even a current IP that they could be forced to work on? the new BF is already teased so at best they could give extra support but again, ME5 results need to come out first before bioware's neck fate is decided.
 
LazyLizard said:
how the fuck does a game have an environmental impact? "ugh we only ordered coffee from shops that use recyclable cups, we really care about the environment unlike those trumpers"
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It's not an award for games, it's an award for ... bullshit.

Originally it was a film festival, then they added categories for games and podcasts. Funnily enough, the games category Veilguard wasn't even nominated for
Here's the main article about the winners

Technically it wasn't a "veilguard" podcast, but I guess it came out with it and no one bothered to notice.
 
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LazyLizard said:
how the fuck does a game have an environmental impact?
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look if minecraft can pull that bullshit you think other studios won't try it?
it's lowkey the reason why pandas and polar bears don't drop shit, it's also why fireflies weren't added into the game for a long time due to muh frog poison.
 
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