2025 Israel vs Iran War

[David Brown]

On paper, possible but highly low.

hehe

 

[Dirty Harry]

Someone correct me. According to everything I have read, the USA does have massive bunker busting bombs and the B2 stealth aircraft to deliver them. But they can not be put on a missile and they are dropped from the B-2 and use gravity and GPS to guide to their target. My question is, if they are indeed gravity driven once dropped, wouldn't the Iranians be able to detect it dropping from the plane and using simple aircraft defense shoot it down considering how slow it would take only using gravity? Especially considering the size they are or do the bunker busters have stealth themselves?

 

[>IMPLYING]

https://www.hrw.org/report/2010/02/01/stateless-again/palestinian-origin-jordanians-deprived-their-nationality

More than half of the 6.3 million population of Jordan is of Palestinian origin-that is, from areas west of the River Jordan, including the West Bank, today's Israel, and Gaza.

It's 50-70 percent depending on how you count it. It's a ticking time bomb for the King

Methodology​

Human Rights Watch reviewed 11 cases in which nationality was withdrawn by interviewing the persons concerned in private and reviewing documents pertaining to their cases, such as official correspondence and copies of identity and travel documents. In two cases, officials restored the nationality. We reviewed Jordanian media reports on withdrawals of nationality, which have cited official figures indicating that such withdrawals in recent years number in the thousands. Our 11 cases reflect experiences of persons from different walks of life and social status. Their stories are diverse but consistent with other cases detailed in the media, reflecting the arbitrary nature in which nationality was withdrawn. We interviewed eight men and three women.

All but two persons interviewed requested anonymity, fearing further exclusion from citizenship rights they currently still enjoy and hopeful of restoring their nationality through private channels. Accordingly, their names have been replaced with pseudonyms.

We conducted interviews during visits to Jordan in January, April, and May 2009 and followed up with telephone interviews in July and October. Interviews were conducted in Arabic. During our visits, we also consulted with two former Jordanian Ministry of Interior officials, the Freedoms Committee of the Jordanian Engineers Association, and three independent observers and academics, Khair Smadi, Dr. Fawzi Samhouri, and Abbas Shiblak, who provided historical and legal context. In addition to interviews, we reviewed Jordanian, Israeli, League of Arab States and international laws, regulations, and decisions pertaining to nationality and Israel's residency system in the West Bank.

In May 2009 we requested a meeting with the head of the Follow-up and Inspection Department of the Ministry of Interior to seek answers to specific questions, but received no answer. In November we sent the government a detailed letter of our concerns, but received no response at this writing.

I mean... They're making a large leap of logic from "11 cases" "thousands on TV" to "Millions of people".

I'll just take Wikipedia at its word

UNRWA gives the number of 2.9 million.


I think you misread "More than half of the 6.3 million population of Jordan is of Palestinian origin" from the source you posted as being present day, because in 2010 Jordan's population was 6.3 million whereas it's 11.4 million today, so the number of Palestinians back then would've equalled to half that of Jordan's total population, but now they're a quarter.

I'll be lenient because you're likely very tired. Keep up the good work on news posting, it's appreciated.

 

[Lorne Armstrong]

Sad to see what's happened to Tucker. Creative types need editors. They stop you from indulging your own worst excesses, like trying to play "gotcha" with a sitting U.S. Senator over Iran's population. (That said, I'm surprised Sen. Cruz's staff did not prep him for that question. Tucker has done this one before.)

Also worth pointing out: The best writing from Tucker Carlson Tonight (on Fox) was written by Gregg Re, his lead writer and investigative producer. When it came to picking stories, Gregg did a good job of sorting the wheat from the chaff. The Fox Network also helped ensure the show had sensible guests.

Now, without the support of writers and producers and editors, Tucker ends up doing stories about how UFOs are actually angles and devils, the CIA killed Kennedy, the U.S. government lied (or hasn't told the truth) about 9/11, that vaccines are harmful, etc. And he has lost all his political relevance.

Tucker is genuinely talented, and has good taste in dress shoes. I hope he is cured of whatever ails him. It would be good to see a Tucker redemption arc.

“Tucker Redemption Arc”? For “redemption”, doesn’t one need to have fallen from grace and then rise again? Tucker has always been shit. He was shit back when he was trying to use his Daddy’s name and rep to get a job with the CIA. He was shit when he was Bill Kristol’s protege. He was shit when he was in his bowtie/suspenders/tortoiseshell glasses phase shilling for W and the Iraq War. He’s an empty suit with a talking head. Fill him up with money and the words you want to hear and he’ll say them. Irredeemable.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

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Talk to the IAEA.

Fedayeen autism leading to Black September (though they just fled to Lebanon and basically became Hezbollah)

Nah they didn't become Hezbollah. The PLO escaped from Jordan and moved to Beirut where they had fedayeen conduct cross border raids into Israel. They also interfered in native Lebanese politics and helped start off the civil war. The whole history of the Lebanese civil war is really complicated but but essentially if it wasn't for the Palestinians Israel wouldn't have been involved and it wouldn't have been so bad. They got kicked out of Lebanon after that and moved to Tunisia. I suggest looking up operation spring of youth where Israeli commando and future prime minister Ehud Barak crossdressed as a woman in order to raid a Palestinian terrorist hideout.

Hezbollah itself is an indigenous Lebanese movement that is funded by Iran.

My brother in Christ, Jordan has a population over 11 million, and the number of Jordanian that identify as "Palestinian" has gone down from 3.2 million in 2009 to 2.3 million as of 2024.

Completely on me for using an old source

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/jordans-nativists-thrive-online-and-might-exacerbate-the-countrys-divisions/

I'm talking about in terms of being descended from the region of Palestine, not self id

 

[Dana scully]

The Jewish billionaires have enough money to fund this war without involving the US tbh.

 

[autistic dog]

So before you call me a Muzzie-lover and/or hippy liberal peacenik fag keep in mind I probably lean more towards the "fuck Iran" side than not.

Basically
1) Iran can still hit US bases in the region. Can they kick the US out of the Middle East? LOL NOPE, but they can still directly cost American lives and get millions to billions worth of equipment blown up.
2) Iran can still hit infrastructure that affects America, i.e. oil pipelines in Saudi Arabia
3) Iran can hypothetically "shut down" the Persian Gulf and the Bab-Al Mendel Strait, disrupting global trade
4) Iran can get other Shiites to go chimpout and shoot rockets at US bases, and hypothetically may have sleeper cells in places like Dearborn or New York where they can cause terror attacks domestically

This is assuming the US goes the more logical and moderate route of "bomb them and be done with it".
Actually launching a full-scale invasion (while I think people who honestly believe a draft is on the table are delusional) is fucking retarded though and accomplishes very little and has a much higher risk of casualties and long-term commitments that would impair our readiness against Russia or China in another theater.

This all seems like a situation that has and will only continue to get worse. If we do not hit Iran at this moment because the losses would be too high we have to admit we would never hit them and remove them from our target list. Israel basically did the heavy lifting and called our bluff.

Using the metric of losing a single airmen not being worth it how would it be worth it to lose dozens to retaliate agaisnt a sleeper cell attack at a later date? It seems like if this is the calculus Iran never needed nukes just a single guy with a gun near an American baby. The possible death of any is being treated the same as mutually assured distruction.

I believe a clearly stated mission to bomb their nuclear facilities that comes with a series of clearly spelled out escalation based on any addtional suffering Iran inflicts would work to deterr these terror cells from being activated.

To use an extreme example if Trump says we are only going to bomb Fordo but that for every 10 American deaths Iran inflicts outside their boarders he will completely destroy one Iranian city starting with their most populated and then makes good on that threat are they really going to order a sleeper cell to kill 2000 random Americans. Is that really worth the entire population of 200 of their largest cities lives?

 

[>IMPLYING]

Regarding secular Muslim states, Albania isn’t half bad

They eat pork. Might be a trend we can follow to nail the exact nature of conflict in the Middle East.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Ok retard. How many churches are in Saudi Arabia?

That's because the House Saud inherited a desert peninsula where Christianity had already been wiped out during the early days of Islam; while Iran inherited a mishmash of mountain ranges and valleys closer to the Central Asian trade routes where the Safavids tried and failed for like a century to wipe out all other religions.

It also ignores that Christians in Iran are treated like shit, and just because Saudi Arabia does something doesn't make that thing good.

Dang. Weird too since they've had a ton of trouble with them.
1. King Abdullah I killed by Palestinian militant for wanting to sign peace treaty with Israel
2. Fedayeen autism leading to Black September (though they just fled to Lebanon and basically became Hezbollah)
3. Joined Yon Kippur war to keep kayfabe but wouldn't attack Israel if possible
4. Renounced claim to West Bank in 1988
5. Israel-Jordan peace treaty in 1991
6. Curbed Hamas presence in 1999
They echo a lot of what other Arab states say with regards to Israel/Palestine (two-state solution and whatnot) but out of them all they seem the most cordial. I also think they're the only bordering neighbour to Israel who has kept their original government since Israel appeared on the map.

This is Jordan's desired 2-state solution by the way. Chopping off West Bank and Gaza. No idea if they're meant to be administered by the same government or there's a government for each or what.
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Jordan has also been helping to intercept Iranian drones and low-altitude cruise missiles last year and I believe during this current bout of Iranian attacks.

hehe

Am retarded.
Was thinking "highly unlikely" and "low probability" at the same time and it came out "highly low"

Someone correct me. According to everything I have read, the USA does have massive bunker busting bombs and the B2 stealth aircraft to deliver them. But they can not be put on a missile and they are dropped from the B-2 and use gravity and GPS to guide to their target. My question is, if they are indeed gravity driven once dropped, wouldn't the Iranians be able to detect it dropping from the plane and using simple aircraft defense shoot it down considering how slow it would take only using gravity? Especially considering the size they are or do the bunker busters have stealth themselves?

Yes, No, and it depends.
Yes, that's exactly how the F-117 got hit in the Balkans, when it opened it's bomb bay doors (not stealthy when the bay is open).
No, because the missile still needs something to lock onto and the bomber would have to keep its doors open and the radar operator would have to be damn sure the missile is locked onto the open door and not the bomb itself.
It depends what other aircraft are in the A/O. Again bringing up the Balkans, the lack of F-16s hunting SAMs the night of the shootdown is what gave the Serbs the confidence to keep their radar on long enough to detect, track and engage the F-117. F-16s, F-15s, F-35s (of either nation) or FA-18s are gonna be a problem for any radar emitting and pointing at the B2.
It depends what altitude the bomb gets dropped at and what AA is available. If its just AA guns and/or shoulder-fired MANPADs, then the bomber is probably going to be too high and still too far.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Also worth pointing out: The best writing from Tucker Carlson Tonight (on Fox) was written by Gregg Re, his lead writer and investigative producer. When it came to picking stories, Gregg did a good job of sorting the wheat from the chaff. The Fox Network also helped ensure the show had sensible guests.

Now, without the support of writers and producers and editors, Tucker ends up doing stories about how UFOs are actually angles and devils, the CIA killed Kennedy, the U.S. government lied (or hasn't told the truth) about 9/11, that vaccines are harmful, etc. And he has lost all his political relevance.

Tucker is genuinely talented, and has good taste in dress shoes. I hope he is cured of whatever ails him. It would be good to see a Tucker redemption arc.

For what, so he can be "more marketable" and tell us the next vax is safe and effective? I just learned from Tucker's video snippet that Ted Cruz is willing to confirm (possibly by accident) that the United States is assisting Israel in their bombardments; something that I think people assume, but is (or was) not the official story. Tucker might be a spaz but he also did something no other journalist has so far, get a U.S. senator to admit we're helping Israel with more than just rote defense policy.

 

[Beardfish]

Someone correct me. According to everything I have read, the USA does have massive bunker busting bombs and the B2 stealth aircraft to deliver them. But they can not be put on a missile and they are dropped from the B-2 and use gravity and GPS to guide to their target. My question is, if they are indeed gravity driven once dropped, wouldn't the Iranians be able to detect it dropping from the plane and using simple aircraft defense shoot it down considering how slow it would take only using gravity? Especially considering the size they are or do the bunker busters have stealth themselves?

What aircraft defense? Bro, Iran right now is free real estate. Somalia could launch ACME catapult shit bombs and it would land.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

My brother in Christ,

heh

The Jewish billionaires have enough money to fund this war without involving the US tbh.

Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else's?


Anyone (preferably a goy) have a tl;dr on Tucker's interview with Cruz? I haven't seen it.

 

[COME ON OUT YOU RAPIST]

Anyone (preferably a goy) have a tl;dr on Tucker's interview with Cruz?

It's not out yet.

 

[>IMPLYING]

https://tcf.org/content/commentary/...-and-might-exacerbate-the-countrys-divisions/

Thanks, I'll look into it - I was basing my statement on conjecture, my bad.

Your new source for that number, also sources an even older souce for their number.

She's making the same mistake you did. The Palestinian population was, indeed, almost half or more of the Jordanian population 2007-2010 (two sources). Now it's about 20%. Whoops.

Also: >most well integrated Palestinians
>still considered intolerable by the natives
lmao.

Edit: Maybe Jews and Palestinians have more in common then they thought.

 

[Supplemental Authority]

“Tucker Redemption Arc”? For “redemption”, doesn’t one need to have fallen from grace and then rise again? Tucker has always been shit. He was shit back when he was trying to use his Daddy’s name and rep to get a job with the CIA. He was shit when he was Bill Kristol’s protege. He was shit when he was in his bowtie/suspenders/tortoiseshell glasses phase shilling for W and the Iraq War. He’s an empty suit with a talking head. Fill him up with money and the words you want to hear and he’ll say them. Irredeemable.

Where I come from, it is considered polite to say something nice or conciliatory after harshly criticizing someone. I'm sorry that this courtesy has so rankled you. For my part, I think everyone is capable of redemption -- even you. You might start by giving up some of that spiteful hate in your heart against someone you only know from TV.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

It also ignores that Christians in Iran are treated like shit, and just because Saudi Arabia does something doesn't make that thing good.

Iran treats Christians worse than KSA

https://www.opendoors.org/en-US/persecution/countries/

Despite this the number of Christian converts are rising by a lot

For what, so he can be "more marketable" and tell us the next vax is safe and effective? I just learned from Tucker's video snippet that Ted Cruz is willing to confirm (possibly by accident) that the United States is assisting Israel in their bombardments; something that I think people assume, but is (or was) not the official story. Tucker might be a spaz but he also did something no other journalist has so far, get a U.S. senator to admit we're helping Israel with more than just rote defense policy.

Ted did fuck up there.

 

[Million Dollar Word]

That's because the House Saud inherited a desert peninsula where Christianity had already been wiped out during the early days of Islam; while Iran inherited a mishmash of mountain ranges and valleys closer to the Central Asian trade routes where the Safavids tried and failed for like a century to wipe out all other religions.

It also ignores that Christians in Iran are treated like shit, and just because Saudi Arabia does something doesn't make that thing good.

Ok, how are Christians in Syria doing now in the new ZOG approved "democracy" in Syria versus under Assad? "Treated like shit" is lot different than being targeted and killed. It's insane that we have gotten to the point in Western civilization that we now view a native majority being the focus of their government over fringe minority groups as some sort of grave injustice.

All of this completely misses my point, which is that Israel/ZOG prefers to have fundamental Islamists in power versus a Middle Eastern government that behaves more in the manner of a secular state.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Ted did fuck up there.

Telling the truth shouldn't be considered a fuckup, and that's the issue.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

https://x.com/KassyAkiva/status/1935162771886198997

Col. Nathan McCormack was removed from his position with the Joint Chiefs of Staff for anti-Israel X posts.

They included calling Israel a “death cult” and referring to its government as “Netanyahu and his Judeo-supremacist cronies,” among other things.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/pentagon-official-removed-from-joint-chiefs-of-staff-for-anti-israel-posts

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

This all seems like a situation that has and will only continue to get worse. If we do not hit Iran at this moment because the losses would be too high we have to admit we would never hit them and remove them from our target list. Israel basically did the heavy lifting and called our bluff.

Using the metric of losing a single airmen not being worth it how would it be worth it to lose dozens to retaliate agaisnt a sleeper cell attack at a later date? It seems like if this is the calculus Iran never needed nukes just a single guy with a gun near an American baby. The possible death of any is being treated the same as mutually assured distruction.

Okay so, Devil's Advocate, the argument here is we invite the "mutual" part by directly getting involved.
I.E. if we DONT drop the GBU-57 on Fordo, no American servicemen get killed, no Saudi pipelines get blown up and no civilians get potentially terror attacked.

I believe a clearly stated mission to bomb their nuclear facilities that comes with a series of clearly spelled out escalation based on any addtional suffering Iran inflicts would work to deterr these terror cells from being activated.

I'm neither strongly for nor strongly against.

The US dropping the MOP would barely be remembered a decade from now; but Israel has already made a bitch of Iran's air defense and their air force is basically a non-factor so I'm not opposed to sitting back and letting them run wild on Iran.