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[Mr. Racewar1488]

Elio Tracking Disastrous Opening Box Office Projections as Pixar Faces One of Its Worst Debuts Ever

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This is what happens when you get rid of the old guard of veteran storytellers and replace them with Millennial diversity hires. The people at the helm of Pixar can't write for shit anything that appeals to a general audience anymore and the adoption of the repulsive bean mouth visuals in all their latest projects doesn't help either. I really hope this is seen as another nail in the coffin for this accursed art style.

It gets even worse, opening weekend is now being estimated at $27m to $31m. At this point Lilo and Stitch will need to gross over $2billion in order to make up for all the money Disney is losing in the first two quarters. How much longer can Disney last while losing hundreds of millions of dollars ever quarter? Even their parks are starting to have a drop off. You'll know when Disney is fucked when Iger announces his replacement and fucks off.

 

[Grand Duke Snowfall]

Not really surprised. Even as someone who likes "beanmouth" (and even then only certain IP's), this had zero appeal. It's Strange World all over again.

The last I heard of this movie was some Twittard screaming about how you HAVE to watch it because the protagonist is autistic/autist-coded. With a scene of him freaking out about something as proof. Long story short they deleted it, presumably for getting clowned too hard, and I just wanted to watch it less.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Don't know if anyone has posted this yet, but:

https://www.twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1933575123556315171

Looks like he is based on Fabio Lanzoni

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

All the character designs in that movie look awful. Not even just the bean mouth kid, but all the aliens. Based on what I know about the plot they're all supposed to be from different planets, but everyone has the same soft, round base that makes it look like they're from the same place and none of them look interesting. They look like bland background characters.

How did we get here, where the 3D characters (who can do detail way, way easier than 2D) have less detail than the 2D aliens of Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch?

Disney just made a bland, blobby "please buy this plush" alien for Strange World and it didn't work there either; yeah, they're not technically the same studio but surely they saw that happen and there was a long enough gap between that they had time to learn from that and implement it, how are they this incompetent? It's like they remember "round lines = good, sharp lines = bad" from art class and absolutely nothing else so they're just stuck.

Elio Tracking Disastrous Opening Box Office Projections as Pixar Faces One of Its Worst Debuts Ever

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This is what happens when you get rid of the old guard of veteran storytellers and replace them with Millennial diversity hires. The people at the helm of Pixar can't write for shit anything that appeals to a general audience anymore and the adoption of the repulsive bean mouth visuals in all their latest projects doesn't help either. I really hope this is seen as another nail in the coffin for this accursed art style.

A truly creative person can work with restrictions. The original group at Pixar knew the CGI technology wasn't good enough for a lot of things, including people, so they found a clever way around it by focusing on toys, and, combined with great writing, made something not just great but hugely successful. They were so good at what they were doing that huge hurdles didn't stop them.

Then...you have modern Pixar. They are the exact opposite. They spend over a hundred million dollars each film and have extremely powerful technology that can do literally anything at their disposal. Nothing is in their way except for the fact that they aren't good at this. They make crap. Repeatedly.

It's really, really sad.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

Man, I saw a little blurb pop up on my Roku about this and assumed it had been out for a year or so. Just blended in with Encanto, Onward and all the other one word brown kid cgi titles (though, surprisingly, Elio is white? I just assumed not). Maybe you should re-think your naming scheme if it is that muddying and the character is completely unremarkable.

 

[The Nothingness]

Elio Tracking Disastrous Opening Box Office Projections as Pixar Faces One of Its Worst Debuts Ever

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This is what happens when you get rid of the old guard of veteran storytellers and replace them with Millennial diversity hires. The people at the helm of Pixar can't write for shit anything that appeals to a general audience anymore and the adoption of the repulsive bean mouth visuals in all their latest projects doesn't help either. I really hope this is seen as another nail in the coffin for this accursed art style.

The downside is this will further convince Disney executives that people don't want original stories and keep making live-action remakes of their IPs to rake in the nostalgia dollars.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

It's like they remember "round lines = good, sharp lines = bad" from art class

Except that's in relation to character design in how you can tell from a glance if a character in question is the good guy or bad guy. It's almost like these people never truly paid attention to the lessons which is why they're just copying off of each other.

 

[Trilby]

Except that's in relation to character design in how you can tell from a glance if a character in question is the good guy or bad guy. It's almost like these people never truly paid attention to the lessons which is why they're just copying off of each other.

This is why art is dead.

 

[Belvedere]

Maybe you should re-think your naming scheme if it is that muddying and the character is completely unremarkable.

I've always been a proponent of movie names being evocative enough to spark curiosity and interest in the audience, but as of late a lot of Pixar movies have had nothing burger names. What am I supposed to get from "Luca" or "Elio" as a movie title? "Onward" , "Soul" . "Elemental" aren't particularly meaningful enough on their own either. A movie's name should make you excited to see it, be memorable, memetic even so as stay in a person's mind long after hearing it which is the reason why I never cared to check out any of these movies, there are too many other distractions and those simplistic names just slipped off my mind. By the time I was reminded these movies had been out for a while I lost interest to see them.

They spend over a hundred million dollars each film and have extremely powerful technology that can do literally anything at their disposal. Nothing is in their way except for the fact that they aren't good at this. They make crap. Repeatedly.

There is an inexorably approaching moment when Disney will release a movie made entirely using their own proprietary AI ( there is a 100% certainty all these Hollywood studios have AI engineers developing these in-house systems ) and they'll do it at a fraction of the cost and time than any CGI production using human animators.

What it will be truly terrifying is that there is going to be an audience of movie goers with low criteria that won't give a damn how this slop is produced so long there is something new to see every weekend at the box office. This shit is going to be so comparatively cheap to produce that no matter if the box office numbers are low, it will still be profitable for them. It is coming and there is no stopping it, quality is going to be getting crappier and there won't be a financial hit to punish them.

If you think current Pixar is crap, wait until their output is AI slop. Youtube is already flooded with channels producing this garbage and getting million of views. Be ready for a complete collapse of Western entertainment in a few years by sheer saturation, we are going to be drowning on this stuff.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

If you think current Pixar is crap, wait until their output is AI slop. Youtube is already flooded with channels producing this garbage and getting million of views. Be ready for a complete collapse of Western entertainment in a few years by sheer saturation, we are going to be drowning on this stuff.

Don't despair, like LLMs you will be able to run these at home in a few years. In a decade you'll be able to make your Blade/Twilight crossover fanfics into a ten-part movie series.

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Need to recoup massive losses Pixar? There are two ways to do it... two big ways.

Just blended in with Encanto, Onward and all the other one word brown kid cgi titles (though, surprisingly, Elio is white? I just assumed not).

Unplaceable Mystery Meat protag is the name of the kosher game, that or outright sub-saharan.

Be ready for a complete collapse of Western entertainment in a few years by sheer saturation, we are going to be drowning on this stuff.

Where have you been for the last 15+ years? Shit's basically dead. Why do you think animu got popular? It was due to people fleeing the scorched fields of the west for greener asian pastures (though the (((usual suspects))) are quickly trying to nigger that up as well). People are talking about Disney not supporting families anymore, meanwhile there're running anime series completely centered on them.

 

[Castoreum]

"I just want somewhere to belong..."

Been hearing this line almost word-for-word a lot in kids' media and indie productions these days (e.g. Elio). Kind of pisses me off, tbh. Yes, it's part of the formula for a protagonist, but writers usually show and don't tell it. Idk. Maybe it's just me.

 

[Trilby]

"I just want somewhere to belong..."

Been hearing this line almost word-for-word a lot in kids' media and indie productions these days (e.g. Elio). Kind of pisses me off, tbh. Yes, it's part of the formula for a protagonist, but writers usually show and don't tell it. Idk. Maybe it's just me.

It's the same illness that affected Don Bluth.

 

[Incecticyder]

The downside is this will further convince Disney executives that people don't want original stories and keep making live-action remakes of their IPs to rake in the nostalgia dollars.

Considering the recent flops, anyone who doesn't learn, is just asking for pain. Marvel fails, remakes fail, sequels fail, prequels fail. Using existing IPs is not the silver bullet they pretend it is. Even the hits are not what they used to be.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Considering the recent flops, anyone who doesn't learn, is just asking for pain. Marvel fails, remakes fail, sequels fail, prequels fail. Using existing IPs is not the silver bullet they pretend it is. Even the hits are not what they used to be.

And Iger's entire modus operandi was just buying existing IPs and slapping Disney branding on it.

Same story with the parks. Disney is going through with the plan to remove the Rivers of America in WDW Magic Kingdom for...some off road ride themed to Cars for literally no reason other than to have something with the Cars IP? It's almost certain they're doing it because the dragon animatronic blew up and they need SOMETHING to push as a big new addition, instead of merely retheming the Tomorrowland Speedway which is still around for some reason despite having nothing to do with the future or technology or anything. Same with the planned Monsters Inc. door coaster, which I actually think is a cool idea...but it's based on an IP that doesn't get much traction these days beyond the occasional throwaway D+ series.

Gone are the days where Disney would just make shit where the Disney difference was the immaculate set pieces and the ability to tell a whole new story within the context of a ride queue and the ride itself.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

.but it's based on an IP that doesn't get much traction these days beyond the occasional throwaway D+ series.

I don't care if the IP is mostly dead
hell, when Star Tours debuted it was in the post-Ewoks/Droid doldrums
shit was so bad they had to sell the West End Games stuff (including lead miniatures) at MGM because there simply _wasn't_ any Star Wars merch

 

[Belvedere]

Where have you been for the last 15+ years? Shit's basically dead. Why do you think animu got popular? It was due to people fleeing the scorched fields of the west for greener asian pastures (though the (((usual suspects))) are quickly trying to nigger that up as well). People are talking about Disney not supporting families anymore, meanwhile there're running anime series completely centered on them.

I'm not talking specifically as to the nature of the content, but as to how this content will be made and the endless amount of it that will be produced both by studios and hobbyist, there will be very little of a gap in quality as AI tech becomes easier and more accessible to use .

As @Mr. Racewar1488 mentioned, once your average fanfic writer gets access to this tech, they'll be making their own miniseries and movies of whatever crossover that comes to mind and the AI will output content that will be within spiting distance of what only movie studios with millionaire budgets can achieve and that is going to spell disaster for the whole of the Hollywood apparatus.

We are already getting glimpses of what is possible with it:

The studios already know this and will try to control it but these tools will also have open source alternative at which point the genie is out of the bottle.

Sure, we'll get some real gems along the way but that'll be like 1% of the total output, the other 99% will be unadulterated, unfiltered garbage that is going to be a nightmare to wade through. That's already the norm when viewing normally produced contend,, now imagine this availability of content to see but multiplied a billion fold.

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And that's not even taking into account the massive increase in storage and energy demands that'll be needed to host that endless stream of content.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Need to recoup massive losses Pixar? There are two ways to do it... two big ways.

While yes, it's just that the movie also needs to have interesting conflict and action, and is evenly balanced out with family scenes. Something that wasn't implemented well in the sequel.

 

[Gog & Magog]

We are already getting glimpses of what is possible with it:

Better than anything star wars made these past 10 years.

 

[Scientifically Inaccurate]

And Iger's entire modus operandi was just buying existing IPs and slapping Disney branding on it.

Same story with the parks. Disney is going through with the plan to remove the Rivers of America in WDW Magic Kingdom for...some off road ride themed to Cars for literally no reason other than to have something with the Cars IP? It's almost certain they're doing it because the dragon animatronic blew up and they need SOMETHING to push as a big new addition, instead of merely retheming the Tomorrowland Speedway which is still around for some reason despite having nothing to do with the future or technology or anything. Same with the planned Monsters Inc. door coaster, which I actually think is a cool idea...but it's based on an IP that doesn't get much traction these days beyond the occasional throwaway D+ series.

Gone are the days where Disney would just make shit where the Disney difference was the immaculate set pieces and the ability to tell a whole new story within the context of a ride queue and the ride itself.

Removing RoA is stupid and I agree with everything in this post, but I think you're getting your parks confused. The dragon blew up in Disneyland, where they have Fantasmic on the island and it's not being removed. Disney World is losing the river and island, and there Fantasmic is in Hollywood Studios, the dragon never blew up, and apparently it works differently so they're not concerned it will.