2025 Israel vs Iran War

Red China is stable in its political posture and major policy changes take place fairly slowly. It isn't the US system that's at fault tho, but the wildly erratic second term Trump Administration. Biden wasn't great, but was in no way as changeable.
Every election season in America creates great social upheaval that goes beyond its borders and drastically impacts the global economy. If I were running a country, I wouldn't want to have any kind of reliance on a country that risks having such sweeping changes in behavior from administration to administration. Stability and predictability are always better when it comes to the sensitive nature of the global economy. Now you can say it was only the past few presidencies. But that's all it really takes to change relationships between nations. Best example I can think of is how Trump fucked the relationship with Canada and indirectly got a hostile liberal elected when a workable conservative was pretty much guaranteed to win just months prior.
 
Israel and America's relationship is periodically "threatened" by Israel selling China tech it's not supposed to. Not much comes out of it.
Usually because the Chinese have already stolen it via their US enablers. They don't need Israel as a middleman.
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To give you an idea of how disastrous this was, in 1992, there were over 50 prime defense contractors in the United States. Today there are 5.
Wait, are you seriously suggesting that the problem is that the US Military Industrial Complex isn't large enough???? The opposite is true, Clinton didn't go far enough dismantling that festering tumor.
 
My brother in Christ, the problem has nothing to do with GWOT. If anything, GWOT helped keep what's left of our defense industrial base on life support.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying the GWOT caused our military downscaling. Only that the needs for a GWOT are much reduced from the needs of a sustained military conflict with another state.
 
Israel won the wars. They won a lot of wars. They withstood decades of attacks. They won the land. The Arabs lost it. They lost it in wars they started with surprise attacks and big coalitions. War is not fair, particularly for Muslim Arabs, and bitching changes nothing. The Israeis took it and made it theirs. This is the oldest and most fundamental right, the right to victory and the spoils. It undergirds our whole system of politics--if it's your land, you're on it, defending it, governing it, and killing those who say otherwise.
While it’s undeniably true that Israel has been militarily successful and is "winning" wars fought on its territory, the blunt assertion that ‘the right to victory and the spoils’ is the oldest and most fundamental right reduces a deeply complex, tragic conflict to a crude hobbesian cliche. War is not justice; it is the failure of justice. To claim legitimacy solely through conquest overlooks the moral and historical grievances that persist and fester, and that no amount of ‘victory’ can erase. Yes, Israel ‘won’ wars, but winning the land does not mean winning the peace, nor does it constitute a blank check to dismiss the legitimate aspirations and sufferings of others as ‘bitching.’
 
Israel and America's relationship is periodically "threatened" by Israel selling China tech it's not supposed to. Not much comes out of it.
True, but the same happens when our government actively meddles in Israeli elections to try to create an anti-Netanyahu government, provides cover for Soros and his NGOs to try to subvert the Israeli government, or agree to shitty deals that give Iran a massive slush fund to arm its proxies against Israel.
 
While it’s undeniably true that Israel has been militarily successful and is "winning" wars fought on its territory, the blunt assertion that ‘the right to victory and the spoils’ is the oldest and most fundamental right reduces a deeply complex, tragic conflict to a crude hobbesian cliche. War is not justice; it is the failure of justice. To claim legitimacy solely through conquest overlooks the moral and historical grievances that persist and fester, and that no amount of ‘victory’ can erase. Yes, Israel ‘won’ wars, but winning the land does not mean winning the peace, nor does it constitute a blank check to dismiss the legitimate aspirations and sufferings of others as ‘bitching.’
Losing hands wrote this.
 
While it’s undeniably true that Israel has been militarily successful and is "winning" wars fought on its territory, the blunt assertion that ‘the right to victory and the spoils’ is the oldest and most fundamental right reduces a deeply complex, tragic conflict to a crude hobbesian cliche. War is not justice; it is the failure of justice. To claim legitimacy solely through conquest overlooks the moral and historical grievances that persist and fester, and that no amount of ‘victory’ can erase. Yes, Israel ‘won’ wars, but winning the land does not mean winning the peace, nor does it constitute a blank check to dismiss the legitimate aspirations and sufferings of others as ‘bitching.’
"Jews are weak! Might makes right!"
*Jews win*
"WTF THAT'S NOT FAAAIIIR!"

History is written by the winners. And the winners are not those who are the strongest, but the most adaptable.
 
Wait, are you seriously suggesting that the problem is that the US Military Industrial Complex isn't large enough???? The opposite is true, Clinton didn't go far enough dismantling that festering tumor.
I believe his point is that the decision made resulted in many mergers that have created the near monopolies in the defence industry that we have now. This has created many issues in procurement in addition to issues in production and sustainment that leave the US in a weaker position producing less weapons for more cost than it was capable of even two decades ago.
 
Like fucking clockwork. Any opinion of dissent is automatically deflected as /pol/tard screeching because you robots cannot comprehend that it's possible to hate your masters without being on iran's side. The complete lack of iran propaganda in this thread should be an obvious sign that they're just as despised as you.
I think that's got more to do with the Iranian propaganda being some combination of cringe (lovingly stroking a model mini-nuke), ungrounded in reality ('we have total control in the skies over Israel' they say, when they launch fewer missiles every day while Israel bombs Iran proper with impunity) and/or too blatantly fake (the AI-gen'd 'shot down F35 the size of a WH40K Battle Barge, surrounded by a crowd' image). Only reason to post that sort of thing would be to laugh at their absurdity, and Iranian sympathizers wouldn't want to laugh at them, so only Jews/Israeli sympathizers have been doing that the last couple of days.

The mood in this thread reminds me of the Syrian civil war thread after the initial fall of Aleppo, but between the fall of Hama and the simultaneous knockout blow of the Battle of Homs/Daraa uprising immediately preceding the fall of Damascus. Pro-Iranian/Assad posters mostly stopped posting because they ran out of good news to report but occasionally still expressed how much they were hoping for the SAA to turn things around (it really couldn't) and/or how much they hated the US/Israel/Globohomo/etc., and the pro-SAA propaganda was coming across as laughable cope after Partisangirl's shrieking about how infinitely spawning paratroopers were about to perform a heccin epic flanking maneuver that'd trap the rebels in Hama (it fell, with video evidence of rebel troops waving flags/meeting cheering locals/releasing prisoners in Hama, like two days after she posted such claims and they were repeated by other pro-Assad commentators) so nobody would post it anymore except to laugh at it.

We weren't in the endgame then (getting close to it, maybe) as we aren't now, the SAA was clearly done for but there were still faint hopes for some outside pro-Assad force to come in & turn things around like a 2,000-strong Hezbollah column headed for Homs, Russian bombers striking bridges or the Iranians flying more soldiers in, but those didn't pan out then and I don't think similar hopes are likely to pan out for Iran now.
 
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