2025 Israel vs Iran War

[Mad_Dog]

Bro you've been posting nearly nonstop for almost a week straight. I figured you replaced your blood with coffee.

Running on pure autism

 

[MilkyMomma]

This was written by ChatGPT. I don't disagree with it, I'm just saying that it's better when you write your own posts in your own words.

Thanks for the feedback - I'm rather just tragically pretentious.

 

[Muad'Dick]

Tacitus imagined a speech she gave to her men and it's pretty good all things considered.

Tacitus was clearly a previous incarnation of Herman Rosenblat.

Mihi verum videbatur!

 

[Dagoth AMOGUS]

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Every Arabs right now coping how Iran has a billion nuclear arsenal and letting Israel bomb them until the right moment.

Insane cope. I don't know if they are dumb or just retarded.

 

[Meat Target]

Decency would be the first casualty in this instance rather than a luxury. They sanctimoniously clutch power, wield force, claim divine backing — then whimper about survival to excuse brutality. That’s not existential threat; that’s a religious chauvinist dressing up dominance as victimhood.

But enough about Iran.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Has anything really happened in the last 24 hours?

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

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And while I'm at it. I'm gonna post more appropriate music.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Has anything really happened in the last 24 hours?

They're waiting for Steve to start streaming. Patience.

 

[Muad'Dick]

“I’ve been saying it for a long time, I mean it more now than I’ve ever meant it.”

I'll give Trump some credit. He shows commitment to the bit. Thats his wrestling priors showing. He's sticking to that script like shit to a blanket.

This is apparently what the White House pressers were circulating this past couple of days.



TG link

 

[Stoneheart]

WATCH ANOTHER MOVIE

first time it fits. but that sounds like it needs luck. just use transport aircraft to throw pallets of TNT on those hills, cheap and it will work, even if you need to blow up the whole hill.,

 

[A Cardboard Box]

While it’s undeniably true that Israel has been militarily successful and is "winning" wars fought on its territory, the blunt assertion that ‘the right to victory and the spoils’ is the oldest and most fundamental right reduces a deeply complex, tragic conflict to a crude hobbesian cliche. War is not justice; it is the failure of justice. To claim legitimacy solely through conquest overlooks the moral and historical grievances that persist and fester, and that no amount of ‘victory’ can erase. Yes, Israel ‘won’ wars, but winning the land does not mean winning the peace, nor does it constitute a blank check to dismiss the legitimate aspirations and sufferings of others as ‘bitching.’

First of all, violence is the supreme authority from which all other authorities are derived. Any time anyone exercises any amount of authority, they are invoking violence. Even in the most peaceful and homogeneous communities on the planet is this true, because, at some point, if things escalate, someone bigger and stronger than you will come and inflict violence to enforce authority. That's what government is, it is the entity which reserves the monopoly on legitimate violence. Sure in the West we don't view it like this anymore, but it is true, nonetheless. If you break a minor law, you will be issued a fine, if you don't pay it, a warrant will be issued, and a man with a gun will come and force you to participate in the process or brutalize or kill you for resisting. If you commit a crime, even a non violent one like wire fraud, you will be sent to prison, where a man with a stick and gun will beat or shoot you for trying to escape.

We can extrapolate this to the international community. You say "war isn't justice," which isn't true. Sometimes, justice can be secured only through war. In 1991 Saddam, after his illegal invasion and occupation of Kuwait, was ordered to withdraw and adhere to the rules based international order. He didn't listen, so within 100 hours, his entire capacity to wage war was aggressively and totally dismantled by the United States in the absolute clown show route which we refer to as Operation Desert Storm.

In 1995, after the horrific, horrific atrocities the VRS inflicted on the Bosniaks and Croats, the US and UN launched Operation Deliberate Force, which absolutely shattered the Serbs and paved the way for the Dayton Accords.

I highly recommend you read "On War." In there, Clausewitz says "war is merely the continuation of politics by other means." This is unequivocally true. The military is an apparatus of the state to accomplish its political goals, and those goals can be just or unjust, meaning wars can be just or unjust. War is an act of diplomacy, by definition.

Moving on to your assertion that Israeli wars have been "unjust" in some way, I implore you to clarify exactly which wars they have fought were most unjust and why. I find this assertion particularly absurd when applied to the 1948 First Arab-Israeli War. I will give you and many here a background on exactly what happened in 1948, because most here probably aren't particularly familiar with the conflict. I don't mean this disparagingly, I just genuinely want to shed some light on how the first war every fought by Israel helps us understand (but not necessarily justify) the burning, violent hatred and deep distrust Israel has for Arabs.

After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, territories outside of Turkey were split into "mandates" to be administered by foreign powers. Modern day Syria and Lebanon went to France, and Israel, Jordan, Iraq etc went to Britain. In 1922, Britain was given the Mandate of Palestine by the League of Nations, and committed to the 1917 Balfour Declaration, which committed to facilitate a Jewish state in modern day Israel. Over the next decade and a half, Jewish immigrants would rise to about a quarter of the mandate's population. In 1939, after the 3 years of conflict Arab guerillas waged against the Jews, Jewish militias, and British authorities, the British reversed themselves, publishing the White Paper of 1939, which committed to limit Jewish immigration significantly, and prevent Jewish purchase land. Most notably, though, it committed to an independent, united Arab state of Palestine within 10 years, after which Jews would be under the authority of the Arab majority. This was the governing policy until the British left in 1948. This sparked a guerilla conflict waged by the Jews against the British, primarily by the Lehi and Irgun, which are legitimately terror organizations, but I digress. After WWII, the British are broke and tired of war, and signal they are going to just fuck off from the Mandate and let what happens, happens, still officially backing a unified, independent Palestine. The Jewish National Council announces they intend to create an independent state of Israel after the mandate's end, and the Arab League (Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq), announce their intent to immediately invade Israel (with the obvious implication of Jewish extermination) if they do declare independence. Between 1945 and 1947, violence escalates between Palestinian and Jewish communities, with the Holy War Army and ALA being the primary combatants on the Palestinian side, and the Haganah being the primary Jewish militia, although the Lehi and Irgun still did exist, both of them combined had less than 5,000 troops versus the Haganah ~35,000. In November of 1947, the United States chooses neutrality, and by that I mean tacitly endorses Jewish extermination, by levying an arms embargo on "all belligerents" in Palestine. The primary issue here is that the Arabs are arming the Palestinians, this is, in effect, only an arms embargo on the Jews. In 1948, the British fuck off, Israel declares independence, and within 24 hours the Arab League invades. The United States, still committed to their very neutral position of endorsing Holocaust 2: Arab Boogaloo, endorses a United Nations resolution embargoing arms shipments to "all belligerents." This is a fucking joke, primarily because, at the time, the Arab League has actual armies and stockpiles of equipment. Most notably, the Arab Legion, the army of Jordan, was fucking officered by active duty British officers. The commander-in-chief of the Arab Legion was Sir John Glubb, aka Glubb Pasha, a fucking white guy from the UK, knighted by the fucking monarch. Let me be clear, the UK led and supplied the Arabs during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, while working with the US to enforce a blockade on Israeli arms shipments. The largest supplier of arms to Israel during the war was Czechoslovakia, which straight up just told the UN to eat shit and sent weapons in direct violation of the embargo.

Because of this fact, and only this fact, nothing to do with the Holocaust or American Protestants sucking off Israel, do I give very slight deference to Israel in Middle Eastern affairs. Do I like Israel? No. I find how they treat non Muslim Arabs, especially Druze and Christians (who sides with them during the 1948 War), fucking abhorrent. I find it disgusting that every time they go into Gaza they bomb the only Catholic church there merely because it is self sufficient and helps civilians in relief efforts. I think Netanyahu is a fucking war criminal. All of that being said, how genuinely barbaric the Arabs are, and the crucible Israel was forged in, makes me respect them more than I would, say, Iran, and it makes me understand their extreme, overwhelming paranoia.

All of this to say, I would take a real good look at that stick you're using to measure "justice," and I would implore you to look into those wars Israel "won," as you put it. I think you would be shocked just how much lifting Israel has been forced to do on its own.

 

[EyeGuy]

The latest launches were actually a super secret multipolar BRICS hypersonic test flight/probing attack/werk that literally ripped through the atmosphere:

Update: It was an ICBM, too!

Iranian police HQ on fire:

 

[Thewildpelican]

Has anything really happened in the last 24 hours?

Nope.
In summary, Iran is pretty wiped out. Israel did receive some damage yes, but it's mostly civilian. Iran has quite a bit of key military infrastructure plus military personnel destroyed. Unless another country decides to throw their hat in and back up Iran, which would be major fireworks, and I doubt such a scenario will happen, then pretty much they have hit the limit.

So now, America is round-table paneling. Whether to drop those bunker bombs on Fardow and maybe remove the supreme leader while at it, which would be medium fireworks.

Or, Iran caves and does a deal that the Americans are satisfied with. This will make them either have Israel call off the attacks or they won't agree to attack Fardow at least. Which will result in a nothing burger, and we can all go sperg on something else.

 

[merpalerpaherp]

Institute for the study of war's highlights of yesterday

Key Takeaways

• The IAEA confirmed that Israeli strikes have impacted underground infrastructure at the Natanz nuclear site. This came after the IAEA reported that Israeli strikes have likely damaged or destroyed thousands of centrifuges at Natanz.
• Israel has continued striking Iranian military targets, which has likely degraded Iranian missile forces significantly. This degradation is reflected in the decreasing volume of Iranian missile fire at Israel.
• Israel has continued striking energy infrastructure and regime sites connected to domestic surveillance and repression. These strikes could reduce the ability of the regime to control the population and, in turn, destabilize it.
• US President Donald Trump called for Iran’s “unconditional surrender.” This came as the United States sent additional forces to the Middle East and could reportedly meet with senior Iranian officials in the coming days to discuss a resolution to the war.
• Iran has prepared to fire missiles at US forces if the United States strikes Iran, according to the New York Times. The outlet reported that Iran would first attack US positions in Iraq and then in other unspecified Arab countries, presumably those around the Persian Gulf.
• Iranian-backed militias have agreed to attack US forces in Iraq if the United States strikes Iran. These militias are the same ones that conducted around 200 attacks targeting US positions in Iraq and Syria from October 2023 to November 2024.
• A senior Houthi official said that the Houthis “will intervene to support Iran against Israel.” The Houthis could support Iran by firing projectiles at US and Israeli targets or resuming attacks targeting international shipping.

I don't put much stock into the Houthi's, they've been doing this for a year and don't cause any significant impacts.
Any U.S. attack will also likely see airstrikes on the Iraqi groups before or at the same time as Iran to prevent retaliation. This could be what is stopping Trump's decision, locating where those groups currently have assets.
Iran retaliating against a U.S. strike is just posturing; they can barely fight back against Israel. The other options they have of retaliation would likely see them get embarrassed more (i.e. naval strikes, mining the gulf, etc.) We will likely see strikes commence tonight (Iraq time) or tomorrow night if it is going to happen. That's my opinion, if the Iraq strikes happen so will Iran and if they don't we likely stay out.

 

[autistic dog]

first time it fits. but that sounds like it needs luck. just use transport aircraft to throw pallets of TNT on those hills, cheap and it will work, even if you need to blow up the whole hill.,

I have a concept for a reverse bunker buster. Instead of digging down into the facility just throw all of the worlds most toxic garbage on top of it in a giant pile until its too stinky and dangerous to even approach. The previous facility entrances would be covered under a mountain of mountain dew bottles.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

1 casualty from the most recent barrage

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Who have their own personal biases and will use primary sources that are biased.

Historians are some of the weirdest people ever. I don't mean amateur hobby ones, I mean real career history people. I cannot fathom giving such a fuck about like...some Medieval minor noble; but there's people that have built their entire careers, and even their personalities about deeply understanding one guy and his impact on the four other guys around him, 600 years ago.

It's why I find the 'History was written by the winners' meme so stupid. Historians are weird goblin people that will obsess and obsess and obsess and parasocially connect with people 2000 years dead. I chatted with a girl at university that was writing a book about a single Roman era Bri'ish hooker that lived near Eboracum. She was nearly 800 pages into it, and would casually talk about this womans friends like she personally knew them. Weirdos.

 

[babyDunk]

https://youtu.be/iT_cfVFYYa4

T'was a good break, down I think. Does Nothing ever happen?

 

[Dawdler]

I have a concept for a reverse bunker buster. Instead of digging down into the facility just throw all of the worlds most toxic garbage on top of it in a giant pile until its too stinky and dangerous to even approach. The previous facility entrances would be covered under a mountain of mountain dew bottles.

One india on this planet is already enough, thank you