2025 Israel vs Iran War

I mean, he's obviously pro Israel but generally speaking he is also quite informative and at least gives an honest attempt to be neutral in his reporting. He's even let me know some stuff I wasn't aware of, like Iran's implosion testing. I would implore you to not let your disdain for Israel take away from something which could otherwise be informative.
My annoyance stems less from this thread than others. Its like a bat signal when the topic of Jews is brought up. I honestly don't do well with remembering usernames at all, and there are like 2 I remember one was LidlDrip or something and I remember her because of pages and pages of annoying ass arguments every time the topic of women came up and this dude became of Jews.
 
Here's the Al Jazeera collection of key events that occurred yesterday.
Here’s where things stand on Monday, June 18:

Fighting
1. The Israeli army continued to launch attacks across Iran, targeting the capital Tehran, where explosions were reported throughout the day, in the central province of Isfahan as well as near Kahraj.
2. Israel said it struck 40 sites in Iran, including weapons facilities. Other strikes targeted two centrifuge production facilities – one in Tehran and one in Kahraj, according to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
3. Israel’s military claimed it is “operating freely” in Iranian skies, while confirming one of its unmanned aircraft was downed in Iranian territory. Iranian state media said Iranian forces shot down an Israeli drone and fighter jet.
5. An Iranian drone that entered airspace over the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights in Syria was also intercepted, Israel said, adding later that a second drone was intercepted in the south of the territory.
6. Iran also launched a wave of missile attacks towards Israel. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said long-range Sejjil missiles were used in its 12th wave of firings at Israel.
7. The IRGC warned that the skies above “occupied lands” are open to Iranian missiles and drones, adding that the attacks will be “focused and continuous”.
8. Explosions were reported in the greater Tel Aviv area and east of the city. Israel said it intercepted eight missiles in that salvo in the evening.

Casualties and disruptions
1. An Israeli strike on a vehicle in Isfahan’s Najafabad killed six people, including a pregnant woman and two children, according to local media reports.
2. Israel did not report any deaths on Wednesday.
3. Iran’s Ministry of Communications said it will temporarily limit internet access to prevent “the enemy from threatening citizens’ lives and property”.
4. The London-based internet watchdog NetBlocks also said that there was a “near-total national internet blackout”.
5. A spokesman for the Ministry of Roads and Urban Development in Iran announced the extension of domestic and international flight cancellations until early Thursday.
6. Public safety guidelines in Israel that heavily restricted activity were eased. Limited gatherings and work operations are now allowed in areas where people can quickly reach a “standard protected place” until Friday evening.

Diplomacy
1. Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei delivered his first televised address since Israel began its attacks on Friday, warning that any United States military intervention in the conflict would be met with “irreparable consequences”.
2. Esmaeil Baghaei, Iran’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman, warned in an interview with Al Jazeera that any US intervention would be “a recipe for an all-out war in the region”.
3. US President Donald Trump spoke to reporters on the White House lawn, and when asked if the US was moving closer to striking Iran, he said: “I may do it. I may not do it.”
4. Trump also claimed that Iranian officials reached out to him and suggested visiting the White House. Iran has denied this, saying “the only thing more despicable than his lies is his cowardly threat to ‘take out’ Iran’s Supreme Leader”.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked Trump for his “support in defending Israel’s skies”, describing him as a “a great friend of the state of Israel”.
5. Russian President Vladimir Putin reiterated his country’s willingness to help mediate the crisis.
6. Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said his country wants to see the crisis resolved diplomatically and Ankara could play a constructive role, but accused Israel of waging “crazed” attacks against Iran that amount to “state terrorism”.
7. France is planning along with European partners to suggest a negotiated solution to end the conflict between Iran and Israel, the country’s presidency said, after President Emmanuel Macron chaired a Defence and National Security Council meeting.
8. Macron has indicated that military regime change in Iran is a strategic mistake, according to France’s Foreign Ministry spokesperson.
9. Iran’s mission to the United Nations has requested an emergency UN Security Council meeting, saying the situation “has dangerously escalated due to mounting and undeniable evidence of direct US involvement”.
10. UN chief Antonio Guterres said he remains “profoundly alarmed” and reiterated calls for “immediate de-escalation leading to a ceasefire”.
11. Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz defended his comments, which drew outrage in some quarters, terming Israel’s attacks on Iran as “dirty work Israel is doing for all of us”.
12. Iran has consistently denied seeking a nuclear weapon, and IAEA chief Rafael Grossi told Al Jazeera that the UN nuclear watchdog has found no evidence that Iran was building one.
13. The UN Security Council will hold an emergency meeting on Friday. Iran requested the meeting, saying the situation “has dangerously escalated due to mounting and undeniable evidence of direct US involvement in this unlawful campaign”.
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Phew, fucking dodged a bullet there. You're worried about Trump? The Lithuanian response would make a full on assault from the US feel like a kiss.
 
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My annoyance stems less from this thread than others. Its like a bat signal when the topic of Jews is brought up. I honestly don't do well with remembering usernames at all, and there are like 2 I remember one was LidlDrip or something and I remember her because of pages and pages of annoying ass arguments every time the topic of women came up and this dude became of Jews.
Then put him on ignore or something. He has peeps in the area feeding him information and providing insight. Any Iranian bros we might have here have either been killed by Israel or cut off from the internet, so we're not going to get any opposing side stuff.
 
My annoyance stems less from this thread than others. Its like a bat signal when the topic of Jews is brought up. I honestly don't do well with remembering usernames at all, and there are like 2 I remember one was LidlDrip or something and I remember her because of pages and pages of annoying ass arguments every time the topic of women came up and this dude became of Jews.
Jewish agents are way worse, blatant, and disruptive to forums and discussions (see /pol/) than what's happening ITT.
When Hamas raided Israel and gunned down JIDF in a couple installations, 4chan actually became useable for a whole day. They were that bothersome.

The local Israelis here are, at worst, spergy nationalists. Not condemnable in my eyes. They don't even hide they're Jews.
If it was Mossad, they would rather shut it down than subvert this alien website. We all have opinions, but that's just it.

As long as there isn't censorship like in publishersplatforms such as YouTube and FaceBook, you're golden.
 
Incredibly dishonest. The freedom you’re asking them to give up is their ability to ever defend themselves from Israel, whose army has shown itself to be genocidal maniacs in Gaza. They literally shoot nuns for a laugh. For any nationstate to neuter themselves is suicide.

It’s also a little retarded that you think the Ayatollah should just totally do what Assad did because “look how great it worked out for him” when Assad lost and is lucky to now live in exile in Russia.
Did you ever stop to consider that Iran wouldn't have any need to defend themselves from Israel if they hadn't spent the past half century directly and indirectly making it their state policy to both directly and indirectly destroy Israel? The Houthis, a terrorist organisation directly funded by Iran, literally have 'Death to Israel' and 'Curse be upon the jews' on their flag. You cannot defend the indefensible. A world without the current Iranian regime would be better in every measurable way. Israel is a developed, wealthy, and freedom-promoting country. Iran is an oppresive, corrupt, and backwards shit-hole run by terrorist supporting theocrats who seethe over the very existence of jews.

What those retarded theocrats constantly forget is that peace with Israel is really, REALLY fucking simple - if you want to avoid conflict with Israel, don't attack them. There's no fucking genocide in Gaza, what a completely retarded statement.
 
A world without the current Iranian regime would be better in every measurable way. Israel is a developed, wealthy, and freedom-promoting country. Iran is an oppresive, corrupt, and backwards shit-hole run by terrorist supporting theocrats who seethe over the very existence of jews.
That’s why unconditionally surrendering now is a dumb idea which will not work out well for Iran.
What those retarded theocrats constantly forget is that peace with Israel is really, REALLY fucking simple - if you want to avoid conflict with Israel, don't attack them. There's no fucking genocide in Gaza, what a completely retarded statement.
Lmao “no genocide in Gaza”. The IDF is currently taking this opportunity period of media overload to mag dump into crowds of women and children at food drops.
 
Its possible they've shot F35s down with the Russian air defenses that they were given. Unstoppable NATO wunderwaffle not so wunder. They could also be lying, but a lot of planes in the air + fog of war + tired yet rabid Israeli pilots that are as arrogant as they are genocidal could be taking undisciplined "god is on our side" chances that goy pilots and commanders wouldn't. Either way Americans will be buying them new ones so no worries
A peace dividend made Europe gay, sanctimonious, and most importantly it left them happy and rich, and it could have done the same for us. War is ultimately an existential risk to everyone, and maintaining this capacity to launch a land invasion of Europe in the 1990s might not have been wise. A key pillar of the US military posture was NATO countries pulling their weight with a deterrent threat. Until arguably 2008 or 2014 there wasn't really much of an adversary to deter in Europe.
NATO is built for Expeditionary warfare. One can see this across the technology developed.

Relatively small professional fighting force
Very large Main Battle Tanks with (relatively) good survivability
Precision guidance munitions launched from air or sea
Aircraft carriers

The emphasis is always on short, fast, limited wars with the opponent quickly subdued. This was the lesson the Americans took from WW2. It's the Atlanticist perspective of war

The Soviet doctrine (and by extension, all active millitaries outside of NATO sphere, including Iran), by contrast, is essentially an attrition doctrine:

Very large conscript force
Light tanks for mobility and rapid replenishment
Saturation bombing
Surface to air missiles

The emphasis on long drawn out confrontations across a large front with losses measured in the tens and hundreds of thousands. This is what the Soviets took from WW2. It's the Continental perspective on war.

Of course there are exceptions to this general point. The US can do saturation bombing with it's huge air force, and could do a big levy for a long war. Most of Western Europe has some doctrinal legacy from the First and Second wars that emphasizes attrition. The Soviets have special forces, guided munitions and submarines too.

NATO puts emphasis on the tactical and operational level. They are willing to spend whatever it takes at a tactical and operational level. This is because typically a NATO force will be operating in a very small area with limited objectives. Getting it done quickly is important because the population is generally not on board with fighting (faggot weak democracy)

Soviet-style forces focus on the operational and strategic level. They prefer to spend just enough at a tactical level, because the operational and strategic level is enormous. Attritional gains are not a big problem because they usually hail from autocratic one-party (or no party at all) states.

Either side will lose if they are forced to fight on the terms of the other. The continental power can't do a set of limited fag wars, lots of disparate little fires all over the place that are expensive to put out. It calls into question the strength of the leader. The Atlantic power cannot do an all out fight for survival at Armageddon. It's bad for business.

It doesn't really matter that America isn't a 'real democracy' (oxymoronic and only clout-clasing centrist toddlers care about that) and better resembles a one-party state or that Russia etc aren't truly communist, for this general perspective to have validity, because it can be applied to the real world. Israel is the country that is having problems with the support for the war, not Iran. Iran isn't going to be shaken by popular discontent, because it's not the one saddled with 'democracy values' or 'rules-based order' retardation. Thinking it will is thinking that Atlanticist concerns apply to the Continental.
 
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That’s why unconditionally surrendering now is a dumb idea which will not work out well for Iran.

Lmao “no genocide in Gaza”. The IDF is currently taking this opportunity period of media overload to mag dump into crowds of women and children at food drops.
And still this won't bring down the population significantly. It baffles my mind how they breed despite war, economic hardship, uncertain future etc
 
their ability to ever defend themselves from Israel
Because they are doing so well now.
whose army has shown itself to be genocidal maniacs in Gaza
Pot and kettle and all that. The IDF has committed war crimes in Gaza, the West Bank, and other places, while Iran and its proxies have committed a truly vast number of war crimes against everyone in the region that is not Iran. Normally I would not pull out such a blatant whataboutism but you have stood at this pulpit preaching the necessity of Iran to commit war crimes and atrocities to defend itself from Israel while ignoring the two and a half decades of Iranian backed war crimes by Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis, Iraqi militias, and a half dozen other groups.
Assad lost and is lucky to now live in exile in Russia.
You seem to be implying that one has something to do with the other. Assad didn't get ousted because he caved and gave up his gas weapons, he was ousted because he was shit at running a country, degraded his military, deferred the defense of Syria to Russia, and refused to even attempt to coalition build. His gas weapons wouldn't have saved him even a little.
Well, I mean, he's Jewish so that makes sense.
freedom-promoting
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
mag dump into crowds of women and children at food drops
This is blatant hyperbole. I would recommend you chill on being so emotionally invested in this conflict half the world away. The IDF has committed verifiable war crimes, but they are not "mag dumping into crowds of women and children." The accusations of "literal genocide" are quite overblown.
 
On top of that during the internet blackout they've deployed riot police in Tehran. They're actually afraid of civil unrest even though it's mostly just a Israeli propaganda push as there is no data to suggest Iranian civilians are remotely close to that point.
There were massive trucker strikes just last month, the latest in a string of increasingly frequent protests. The regime has pretty good reasons to be afraid of civil unrest, especially now that their axis of resistance larp has collapsed and they're being constantly cucked and embarrassed by glowkikes.
 
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