2025 Israel vs Iran War

[Pimp C]

Largely by people without power, education, status, or much information about the conflict. Arabs and chuds on Telegram, basically, can crow about Iran's extraordinary and miraculous victory.

The ability to cower Arabs into believing Israel is able to do whatever it wants in the region does actually matter. The Middle East isn't going to be under rulers willing to collaborate with your ethnostate into perpetuity.

 

[Just_Somebody]

Why am I seeing people (although they may be sandniggers) try to both claim that Iran wasn't targeting the hospital, but at the same time try to justify hitting the hospital?

It's either Iranian incompetence or maliciousness. Trying to argue both is mind boggling.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Had my mother call me about those newfangled Iranian cluster bombs and to watch out during the alarm. Not really sure what's the point of using those when they should be less effective against buildings.

 

[Dawdler]

I disagree with this statement. The japs had the emperor as their god, when we firebombed and atom bombed their cities we became their new god. And it wasn't a slow turnaround either. My great uncle was part of MacArthur's occupying force after the war and he always claimed it was incredibly hospitable even then, as most of the survivors were women, children and the elderly. Japan was so thouroughly defeated that continued animous towards american GIs was seen as futile. I think if I watched something buckbreak my god and it moved next store to me I might be tempted to bring it muffins.

Yes but: https://www.sup.org/books/politics/...base-policy-asia/excerpt/excerpt-introduction

https://www.axios.com/2023/05/13/okinawa-protests-us-military-bases-close

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/24/us-marines-investigated-alleged-rape-military-base-okinawa-japan

Two US marines investigated over alleged rape at military base in Okinawa

Your insight is valuable but also foolish. It is the same as the fault in Afganistan. U.S. troops were drinking tea with locals. Great fun, made frends. Then they stepped outside the house and got shot in the back.

proof?

Page 312-380 of this thread, Chapter 4, Verses 16 to 20

Go read my earlier post about the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. Please. Israel was literally born out of being fist fucked by the British and fighting an existential war of extermination.

Not any more fist fucked than any other POC in BOC (British occupied territory).
They had it rough, but the British mandate demanded their cooperation under the Buttfort declaration.
They bombed British out and formed their own mandate. It was a country birthed from terrorism, not negotiations.

My "angle" is that attacks on civilians targets are bad, state sponsored terrorism is bad, and nuclear proliferation is bad.

Reasonable

This is wishful thinking. You should be more realistic. People don't want to fight a war in the Middle East but people still broadly prefer Israel to Iran.

Correct. But that's not where US troops will go. They already hate the bufuckingnothingsandstan in any of the ME bases and seeing vets are being abandoned with halalla fever and golf war syndrome, there's not a lot of support for redeployement. Besides, the trooniest army will just get ridiculed out.
This may be the last big boomer war. After that, most will just retire and fuck out of military permanently.

That's not necessarily true. Regardless of how this pans out, significant damage has been done to Iran's capability to wage war and their regional credibility as a power. Getting their absolute shit stomped will make it more difficult for them to rebuild their proxy network.

Capability to wage war was 0 before and 0 now. It only changes amount of old weaponry and equipment they posses which is worse than US is writing off, recycling and shredding daily.
The only war they can muster up is defensive war on their own territory, beyond that, they aren't a superpower or anything.

Had my mother call me about those newfangled Iranian cluster bombs and to watch out during the alarm. Not really sure what's the point of using those when they should be less effective against buildings.

Cluster bombs are made to destroy live force and not buildings

 

[Dammit Mandrake!]

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Dropped ceilings are a real hassle to fix. I wouldn't forgive Iran for this, either.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

All wars are dirty wars, but the pager attack was genuinely one of the more surgical and humane ways used in modern times to disable a large group of hostile armed men

Stopped reading here. If you believe that was humane, go watch some of the videos of the aftermath, then kill yourself by drinking bleach.

They're not just goatfuckers, they're also terrorists. Boo hoo. Sucks for them

Cool it with the anti-semitism.

 

[Harambe]

Again. We have proven to the world that the key to beating the West is to wait us out.

All they have to do is hold onto power internally and eventually the West won't have enough political capital to spend on the effort. Even if cabals of warhawks do. Just like in Vietnam, Iraq 2003, Afghanistan 2001, and so on.

They will inevitably get proxy groups up and running again. But sure it bought some breathing room.

Afghanistan and Vietnam are at best pyrrhic victories.

Following their victory which saw deaths in the low 7 figures for Vietnam, and about 60k for Americans, Vietnam experienced decades of food shortages, political violence, and sanctions that left them peaceable and with a strategic openness to markets and America. They won the war, and then lost at peace. America stayed winning overall, went on to win the Cold War. Vietnam is now strategically reliant on American market access for balancing against China.

Following the withdrawal of American forces in 2022, the Taliban replaced the government which the US had instituted and propped up for 20 years. A big wash for America. Afghanistan remains a poor pariah state. To say the Taliban won is to invite the question--what did they win that was of any value? Ethical or moral goods like 'sovereignty' or 'freedom from more advanced societies' sexual mores' are in strategic terms dumb and gay. They got a catbox that no one wants to dig for treasure in, on account of the place being full of the human equivalent of cat turds.

While America makes mistakes and its political class loses focus and interest over time--there's a lot of evidence to indicate that the Americans' rivals are subject to the same tendency towards retardation, and that 'waiting America out' isn't viable unless you have no aspirations greater than the mountain cave you must hide from drone strikes and bunker busters in. Surviving American military action may mean, yes, the leadership and core cadres mostly keep their heads. In the meantime, they have lost almost everything that could make them a threat for quite a long time, and the scars of their wars they will never recover from.

In the same year as the US' disastrous failures in its withdrawal from Afghanistan, its rival China managed to economically handicap themselves with a ridiculous lockdown ordered by their leader to preserve the lives of a few retired heads of state in Shanghai, for the purposes of trotting them out to give him power for life. Their policies from 20-22 devastated their economy, demolished the real estate bubble and the massive developer Evergrande, and put them on the back foot economically. The government has become more opaque and more plainly dishonest in economic data.

That same year, unforced, Russia miscalculated with its SMO and launched a little forever war of its own with no reasonable win condition that doesn't make them more vulnerable. Should Russia expand to Poland, won't NATO and the EU be even closer to them? Say they get to Odessa, what's next, Transnistria? Russia technically lost all of its strategic aims in the war immediately when Sweden and Finland joined NATO and put Petersburg into the 'comically easy to strike' range. In 23, Iran's proxies escalated their cold war/dirty war with Israel, and then quickly lost the initiative and most of their combat capabilities over the course of nearly 2 years of intermittent air and covert warfare.

Strategic patience is only viable if you are prosperous, wise, capable of disproportionately large retaliation, and avoid making mistakes at the same rate and schedule as your adversaries. America has been blessed by god to never have had a rival that wasn't at a fundamental level more retarded.

 

[Pierre D'Olnique]

america/nato is the main reason why poland is an independent nation instead of being under the russian boot

Living up to your nickname, I see.

 

['Ole Dente]

He’s not going to put boots on the ground. At the most he’ll drop a bomb or two.

Are you confident enough to put money on this.

 

[babyDunk]

Shalom!

 

[Harambe]

Stopped reading here. If you believe that was humane, go watch some of the videos of the aftermath, then kill yourself by drinking bleach.

Would vaporizing them with a bomb, or crushing them under rocks or suffocating them or shooting them in a desperate engagement have been better? I'd rather all men who agreed to work with hezbollah and received orders from them to be horribly maimed than for the hospital, school, city block, or home they are hiding under being leveled, and for them to have died.

You have to be capable of abstract thought and reasoning past immediate shock and horror to see shades of humanity in how violence is used to subdue armed men of a mind to shoot. You must try thinking seriously about these problems.

 

[babyDunk]

He’s not going to put boots on the ground. At the most he’ll drop a bomb or two.

Not if the neocons get their way

Would vaporizing them with a bomb, or crushing them under rocks or suffocating them or shooting them in a desperate engagement have been better? I'd rather all men who agreed to work with hezbollah and received orders from them to be horribly maimed than for the hospital, school, city block, or home they are hiding under being leveled, and for them to have died.

You have to be capable of abstract thought and reasoning past immediate shock and horror to see shades of humanity in how violence is used to subdue armed men of a mind to shoot. You must try thinking seriously about these problems.

I mean, there was collateral damage(innocents) from that attack, yeah? But I do agree that it was on the more surgical side, definitely more so than airstrikes

 

[Pimp C]

Not if the neocons get their way

John McCain won, chuds lost

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Why am I seeing people (although they may be sandniggers) try to both claim that Iran wasn't targeting the hospital, but at the same time try to justify hitting the hospital?

It's either Iranian incompetence or maliciousness. Trying to argue both is mind boggling.

The Arab mind at work. It's how Oct 7th was both a brave military operation and an Israeli setup

The French government says Iranian nuclear weapons pose a threat to Europe.

https://x.com/ILRedAlert/status/1935734054298730863

Europeans are slowly changing their mind

 

[AndSothisIsChristmas]

You know how we, rightly, label woke politics as the new religion for godless Democrats? I’m beginning to wonder if conspiracy theories take the same position for extreme wignats. “Praise be to the almighty, unassailable Deep State and Jewish overlords, which predestine our entire lives!”

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Would vaporizing them with a bomb,

Yes, but you know that.

or crushing them under rocks or suffocating them or shooting them in a desperate engagement have been better? I'd rather all men who agreed to work with hezbollah and received orders from them to be horribly maimed than for the hospital, school, city block, or home they are hiding under being leveled, and for them to have died.

You keep bringing this back to hezbollah. You've jumped onto an emotional bandwagon and got carried away shouting muh hezbollah. They're pieces of shit for killing innocents. Who they are or what they did doesn't matter. If you can't separate the inhumane act of the pagers from who those people were, then kill yourself and stop replying to me. You're a plague on humanity.

You have to be capable of abstract thought and reasoning past immediate shock and horror to see shades of humanity in how violence is used to subdue armed men of a mind to shoot.

You never got past the boner brought on by gore-porn. Touch grass, seek Jesus.

 

[Pimp C]

You know how we, rightly, label woke politics as the new religion for godless Democrats? I’m beginning to wonder if conspiracy theories take the same position for extreme wignats. Praise be to the almighty, unassailable Deep State and Jewish overlords, which predestine our entire lives.

James Lindsay and some other Jews have been peddling this nonsense for a while now. Did you think you came up with "woke right" on your own?

 

[Froggy Fresh Sextape]

The fact that the US hasn't engaged in the air campaign and trump is still making overatures about negotiating with Iran makes me optimistically rainbows that troops on the ground isn't the first option. But I also cant pretend to be good at reading Trump.

I'm mostly thinking about it from a military perspective. The GBU-57 is untested and we'd have no way of confirming if it worked or not, plus we're bombing a site where Iran's storing the majority of their 60%-enriched uranium so that complicates things. You don't want to accidentally create the world's largest dirty bomb if it somehow gets into the air or the water table.

If you were planning a land invasion all along you'd hold off because it'd be less messy (in this instance at least) to secure all the HEU via land forces and dispose of it.

From a political perspective the US government is sending mixed messages and I have no idea what is going to happen.

 

[babyDunk]

The Arab mind at work. It's how Oct 7th was both a brave military operation and an Israeli setup

The French government says Iranian nuclear weapons pose a threat to Europe.

https://x.com/ILRedAlert/status/1935734054298730863

Europeans are slowly changing their mind

Looks like the US still has soft power, huh. I was told repeatedly that everyone was flocking to China now

 

[Combustion Engine]

Not really sure what's the point of using those when they should be less effective against buildings.

Israel dropped over a million of them in Lebanon 19 years ago. 40% of them failed to detonate and remained as a massive danger to anyone approaching them, it was scandalous enough it drove the push to ban them. They're great to set buildings on fire, but expanding the damage to a wide area and disable infrastructure is one of their best uses. Iran's crude designs are probably just to make interception more difficult, it's not like they discriminate where they land in the first place.