2025 Israel vs Iran War

I guess in retrospect its obvious why Iran had to use their missiles as a vague threat of total destruction. They are not accurate enough to hit strategic targets so Israel was always going to cry about every civilian target hit. However I dont think Iran really considered what they would do if Israel responded with targeted perportional attacks on civilians.

At this point I don't see this "war" ending ever unless the US steps in on Iran's behalf. Israel has justification to never stop bombing whatever the fuck they want in Iran. Iran can't stop them and no one else is going to try.
It'll end after regime change in Iran. That was always the goal. Israel will never feel safe unless the Ayatollah is gone forever even with the nuclear program destroyed. Our inability to restrain the Jews/Israel will inevitably drag us into another quagmire in the Middle East.
 
I am not very educated on this subject so forgive my ignorance. But if Israel has the capacity to assassinate the Ayatollah why wouldn't they have done so already?
If I had the answers I wouldn't be here trying to figure this shit out.
TRVST THE PLQN PQTRIOT

Air defense systems in Tehran actively engaged, impacts at Marzdaran are devastating.
They can blow up Iran a million times and they'd still find those roaches crawling out of random crevices. The ride never ends.
I think he's just lying to keep Iran off balance.
True. But I also think he's doing an "America Wins By Doing Nothing" moment.
I think he's just wary of taking America into another forever war and hoping Iran capitulates its nuclear program before forcing his hand. And despite the 3 day SMO talk it will be a forever war. Even if we destroy fordo and all the rest, we'll still have to maintain an air campaign indefinitely to prevent them from simply rebuilding. We'll also have to keep bombing their missile factories and launch sites or else they'll just keep launching at Israel/US bases and the US especially can't afford to keep all its military bases in the region on lockdown/evacuated indefinitely. Not to mention every time missiles do get through and kill Americans or destroy a portion of a base pressure will ramp up to retaliate by killing regime political/military higher ups. Basically unless Iran cries uncle, we will be stuck maintaining a large expensive air war against Iran for months or even years to come, with no way to back down or back out without granting them a massive PR victory of having outlasted us, and immediately building a nuke the second the bombs stop falling.

It's not over until they say it's over. All we can do is invade (unlikely) or keep killing government officials in the hope eventually the state disintigrates, which is far from guaranteed. Honestly I'd rather we just give Israel permission to nuke them than committ ourselves to that.
You said it more eloquently than me. This is likely the real answer. But I also think Trump is inclined to try to make everyone happy without directly saying no to them because once you burn a bridge it's burnt but if you can cross the river without torching the bridge that bridge is there for later use.
Probably this, I think Trump would prefer that the Ayatollah drop dead without US involvement.
He's hoping. Praying.
 
pro iran news is just insane right now, they're shilling coins and shit

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We put the Shah back in
He doesnt want the throne, he pretty much stated it. His speech was about establishing a democracy

Advice from the Ayatollah:


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I hope Trump uses the entire two week period before coming to any conclusions
I like how the Democrat Hawaii lady said she would quit if Trump did millitary action and instead of doubling down Trump considered her position as well as that of his constituents and is taking some time to consider his options. That seems to be a completely reasonable and highly presidential decision.

Its not like Iran is going to rebuild their air defenses in two weeks and a lot can change about the situation in that time. Israel might be resistant to negotiate now but when they run out of missile defenses and takes a few right in the kisser they might be more apt.
 
Nigga is it wrong-think to disagree with Trump on some issues now?
No, but Tucker Carlson isn't the best person to make that point, considering he supported the Iraq War and advocated for regime change in Iran. Carlson is not someone who operates in good faith; he operates based on a good paycheck. The problem with Cruz is that he's too "Zionist-brained" to make convincing arguments against Tucker. He could have easily pointed out that many of Tucker’s past takes were false—like the fact that Tucker actually believed killing Soleimani would lead to another U.S. war in the Middle East. It didn’t. If you're going to criticize Trump, you need to have a record of being both consistent and correct—something many of his critics lack. Especially one who made his career being a Trump sycophant himself.
 
This will be yet another foreign policy failure on the part of the Trump administration. I'm still NEH gang, I don't think anything meaningful will happen in regards to this. The world is still a hot place after the Biden Administration and despite orange man showing up with the rebuilding crew, the house is still on fire and he's done absolutely nothing to put it out.

His peace overtures and relief attempts have fallen on deaf ears in both Ukraine and Gaza , and now with the looming prospect of American military and economic involvement in an Israel/Iran skirmish, the rational decision will be for him to take yet another L on that front.

Trump's greatest wins are on domestic policy and if he wants a positive legacy he should focus on that.
 
"In the next two weeks" is usual Trump stuff. "Maybe we will, maybe we won't" is what he says when he's made a definitive decision and will act in the next 48 hours. If he actually didn't know, he'd say he had a definite plan and was going to attack. Trump does not tell the other party in any kind of negotiation scenario what's actually in his head. It's kind of one of his signature moves. Everything is a feint.

A week and a half ago he was play-acting that maybe he wouldn't help Israel at all and it turned out that was just misdirection. It never fails to amaze me when people think the words that come out of Trump's mouth in an adversarial situation have anything to do with his actual beliefs or plans.
 
I know what I saw and the interception rate on the first salvos wasn't great. It improved last night until it didn't. Batteries ran out or whatever.
Genuine delusion.
I disagree with what you are saying.
No you are denying basic facts. Since you refuse to go an actually read what I wrote, and since you had the fucking gall to reference the Irgun bombing, I will spoon feed you:

After the First World War and the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, most of what was Ottoman territory was split up into "Mandates" to be governed by European powers, primarily France and Britain. The important part here is that in 1922 Britain took over the Mandate of Palestine, which is all of modern Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. When they did this, they committed additionally to the Balfour Declaration, that they would facilitate an independent Jewish state and Jewish immigration to that state. By 1936, Jewish immigration caused Jews to make up over a quarter of the population of Palestine, where the mostly resided in kibbutzim, basically communal farming towns. The Arabs were displeased with this development, naturally. Now, Jews, Arabs, and the British had been having skirmishes off an on since 1922, but in 1936 is when the Arab Revolt began, an insurgency fought by the Arabs against the British stationed there and the Jewish militias. This lasted until 1939, when Britain reversed themselves from the Balfour Declaration, publishing the 1939 White Paper, which significantly limited Jewish immigration, prevented Jews from buying Arab land, and promised a united, independent Palestine within 10 years, after which the Jews would be subject to the authority of the Arab majority. Naturally, the Jews didn't take this well, and Jewish terror groups, primarily Irgun and Lehi, begin an insurgency against the British. During WWII, there was a pretty significant event in Europe which affected Jews quite a bit, and the new UN advocated for a two state, partitioned solution, with Jerusalem under an international UN mandate with free access by all. Britain told the UN to eat shit and moved forward with its 1939 plan. The Jewish National Council, or JNC, announced that they absolutely would not accept this, and would declare independence as soon as the mandate ended. The Arab League, made up of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, and Egypt, threatened to invade the moment Israel declared independence. Thus began the ethnic conflict between Jewish militias led by the JNC (the three primary Jewish militias at the time being the Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi, with about 35,000 Haganah and 5,000 split between Irgun and Lehi at the beginning of the 1948 war, to give some reference). In November of 1947, the US, alarmed by the escalating ethnic violence in Palestine, took the common sense stance of tacitly endorsing Jewish extermination by implementing an arms embargo on "all belligerents." This was a joke because it was referring to the belligerents in Palestine only, meaning primarily Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi in the Jewish side and the ALA and Holy War Army on the Arab side, it did nothing to stop arms flows to the Arab League which were arming and training the Arab Palestinians. In 1948, despite the fact that order in Palestine was rapidly breaking down, the UK just left, because their mandate was concluded and they could no longer give a fuck about pretending to care about preventing genocide. As promised, Israel declared independence immediately, and within 24 hours, the Arab League declared war and invaded. The US, alarmed by this and wanting to remain neutral, doubled down on endorsing Jewish extermination and forced through a binding UNSC resolution expanding the arms embargo to "all belligerents" in the First Arab-Israel War. This was also a cruel joke, because while Israel was comically deficient in ammo and weapons, the Arab League has been preparing for this. Moreover, at this time, the Arab Legion, the official army of Jordan, was officered and led by active duty British officers. The commander-in-chief of the Arab Legion was Sir John Glubb, aka Glubb Pasha, a white British officer born in the UK. The UK would lead and supply the Jordanians in their war against Israel while actively helping the US enforce an arms embargo on Israel, because they were neutral, of course. The primary supplier of arms and ammo to Israel during the war was Czechoslovakia, who straight up just told the UN to get fucked and send them equipment anyway.
 
Its not like Iran is going to rebuild their air defenses in two weeks and a lot can change about the situation in that time.
Damn you're right. Then we'll probably need another two weeks of careful consideration. Damn that would suck so hard. Please Trump spare us this awful terrible future at the hands of your indecision! I can only hope and pray to mighty yeahway that a stroke of divine inspiration will come upon the conscience of the American president so that he so rightly involves us in yet another sandbox adventure. Man that would just be the worst if that doesn't happen. Damn that would just ruin my entire decade. I might actually consider family annihilating if Trump doesn't bomb Iran just so I can spare my loved ones the suffering of having to live in a world where America doesn't waste blood and resources advancing the causes of other nations and involving itself in thousand-year-old-blood-fueds. Just wow that would be an apocalyptic outcome if that were to transpire. That would just be the worst thing ever. Wow. Lets all get into a discord call so we can pray together that Israel will prevail. Who wants to start the group? Im serious we really need to do something because that would just be awful. The worst thing to ever happen in the existence of humanity. Damn that would suck so hard. Please Trump spare us this awful terrible future at the hands of your indecision! I can only hope and pray to mighty yeahway that a stroke of divine inspiration will come upon the conscience of the American president so that he so rightly involves us in yet another sandbox adventure. Man that would just be the worst if that doesn't happen. Damn that would just ruin my entire decade. I might actually consider family annihilating if Trump doesn't bomb Iran just so I can spare my loved ones the suffering of having to live in a world where America doesn't waste blood and resources advancing the causes of other nations and involving itself in thousand-year-old-blood-fueds. Just wow that would be an apocalyptic outcome if that were to transpire. That would just be the worst thing ever. Wow. Lets all get into a discord call so we can pray together that Israel will prevail. Who wants to start the group? Im serious we really need to do something because that would just be awful. The worst thing to ever happen in the existence of humanity. Damn that would suck so hard. Please Trump spare us this awful terrible future at the hands of your indecision! I can only hope and pray to mighty yeahway that a stroke of divine inspiration will come upon the conscience of the American president so that he so rightly involves us in yet another sandbox adventure. Man that would just be the worst if that doesn't happen. Damn that would just ruin my entire decade. I might actually consider family annihilating if Trump doesn't bomb Iran just so I can spare my loved ones the suffering of having to live in a world where America doesn't waste blood and resources advancing the causes of other nations and involving itself in thousand-year-old-blood-fueds. Just wow that would be an apocalyptic outcome if that were to transpire. That would just be the worst thing ever. Wow. Lets all get into a discord call so we can pray together that Israel will prevail. Who wants to start the group? Im serious we really need to do something because that would just be awful. The worst thing to ever happen in the existence of humanity. Damn that would suck so hard. Please Trump spare us this awful terrible future at the hands of your indecision! I can only hope and pray to mighty yeahway that a stroke of divine inspiration will come upon the conscience of the American president so that he so rightly involves us in yet another sandbox adventure. Man that would just be the worst if that doesn't happen. Damn that would just ruin my entire decade. I might actually consider family annihilating if Trump doesn't bomb Iran just so I can spare my loved ones the suffering of having to live in a world where America doesn't waste blood and resources advancing the causes of other nations and involving itself in thousand-year-old-blood-fueds. Just wow that would be an apocalyptic outcome if that were to transpire. That would just be the worst thing ever. Wow. Lets all get into a discord call so we can pray together that Israel will prevail. Who wants to start the group? Im serious we really need to do something because that would just be awful. The worst thing to ever happen in the existence of humanity.
 
ring of having to live in a world where America doesn't waste blood and resources advancing the causes of other nations and involving itself in thousand-year-old-blood-fueds. Just wow that would be an apocalyptic outcome if that were to transpire. That would just be the worst thing ever. Wow. Lets all get into a discord call so we can pray together that Israel will prevail. Who wants to star
I'll draw the map!
 
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