2025 Israel vs Iran War

FightenGnome said:
and now with the looming prospect of American military and economic involvement in an Israel/Iran skirmish, the rational decision will be for him to take yet another L on that front.
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Even though I generally agree with your point, I'm not sure how not getting involved would be an L for Trump.

Trump generally presented himself as the peace candidate, and not getting involved in more wars would be consistent with that. I guess you could argue it would make Trump and America look weak, but seeing how utterly devastated Iran has been by just Israel, I don't think that's a good faith analysis of the situation. The United States absolutely could go in right now and trounce Iran much like we did the Iraqi Armed forces, but domestic concerns (and lessons learned from the previous middle eastern wars) make us not want to do so. That's less weakness and more prudent restraint.

Furthermore, I don't think this is comparable to something like Russo-Ukraine and Trump's rhetoric RE: the Biden admin on that. Israel and Iran have hostilities forever now, and this isn't the first time they've come to blows. Ignoring the more underhand aggression like Stuxnet or MOSSAD assassinations, they lobbed missiles at each other under Biden too.

Finally, doing nothing, absent some more developments, ultimately results in long term strategic gains for the US. It's definitely not in American strategic interests for Iran to have the bomb. The current conflict has set that back, in addition dealing a blow to the government of an enemy state. And the US, as of now, has essentially paid nothing new for this (yes, we ultimately paid billions to Israel and so bankrolled this, but that money isn't a new payment for this strategic gain.)

I don't see how this is an L for Trump. Certainly its not a resounding win for someone who has said they want to deescalate global conflict, but it seems more a stalemate at worst.
 
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Iranian hardliner Saeed Jalili: Iran is not just at war with Israel, we are at war with the US and Europe. The real reason we were attacked by Europe and the US was our threat to their global domination

Iranian hardliner Saeed Jalili: The US claims to be uninvolved in the war but they launched an attack on Iranian territory during negotiations- The American-led order can never bring peace or security to the world,

Iranian hardliner Saeed Jalili: Remember that Trump himself called America "weak" during his election campaign. He even wrote a book called "crippled America." Our logic is dialogue, but our enemy's logic is absolute power- therefore we must confront them with their own logic

i keep reading his name as sneed

France is urging the US to avoid involvement in Israel’s military actions against Iran, N12 News reports citing a French official. Paris aims to revive the 2015 nuclear deal and impose restrictions on Iran’s ballistic missile program.
 
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Would hardly count ashkenazi jews as indigenous to that land.
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WE WUZ

Seymour Hersh reports that "heavy American bombing" will begin this weekend, with the aim of deposing the Supreme Leader. "The White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran," Hersh writes


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TASNIM: Suspicious and disreputable individuals are attempting to mobilize a number of clerics in Qom to call for a form of surrender and compromise with Israel​

 
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Would hardly count ashkenazi jews as indigenous to that land. But tbh that discourse has been overdone so I see no point in arguing over it.
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Ashkenazi genetics is roughly half desert half Eastern European. It took almost a thousand years of breaking down Hebraic resistance to fucking non-Hebraics to get that rough split
 
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Frederica Bernkastel said:
More so, Tucker and Cruz agreeing Iran should be nuked, in that interview, if they killed Trump is even crazier than what's being said right now. Trump's life isn't worth nuclear war dude.
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It’s just the two of them knowing they have to show deference to Trump or else they could be frozen out of his circle. It’s why his staff constantly do the Kim Jong Un style praise of him every meeting or interview.
 
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SBG said:
So two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks to decide if it’ll be two weeks…
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That sounds too much like two weeks to flatten the curve.

Btw, the guys of American Thinker strikes again, wondering if we'll see a Persian renaissance. Take this with a pinch of salt.
June 18, 2025

Will We Finally See a Persian Renaissance?​

By Alicia Colon

Back in 2007 I received a mysterious call at the New York Sun from a man who said he was referred to me from someone at the New York Times. He said he needed to meet with me on an issue too important to speak about on the phone.

The Times reporter had told him that her paper was not the one to cover the story.

Cloak and dagger are not my forte and seemingly against my better judgment, I met with the gentleman who turned out to be an Iranian dissident. He filled me in on what was happening in his native country.

I learned from my new Iranian friend that there was a Persian renaissance in force, which was actively seeking to overthrow the mullahs.

Many Persians, he said, do not consider themselves Muslims and under the tutelage of a Persian professor, they have secretly burned the Koran and returned to their ancient Zoroastrian faith.
My friend, a former Muslim, showed me his pendant with the ancient symbol of this faith which is prominently displayed every year at the annual Persian parade in New York City.
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Catch The Rainbow said:
Seymour Hersh reports that "heavy American bombing" will begin this weekend, with the aim of deposing the Supreme Leader. "The White House has signed off on an all-out bombing campaign in Iran," Hersh writes


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>Trump is waiting until the weekend to bomb Iran to minimize the effects on the stock market

You know what, I believe it.
 
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