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For MAGA, it moves the discussion off of Israel (which is socially hazardous) to the traitorous negligence of American politicians (a topic with endless appeal and wide agreement).
When Ted Cruz just came out and admitted he didn’t know the population of Iran I was absolutely dumbfounded. Traitorous negligence is underselling it! Firstly, don’t senators get hundreds of thousands in salaries every year? If the tax payer is subsidising you to such an extent surely you have a DUTY to know these things right? Secondly, he said that he got into congress to help Israel. If your goal is to help Israel (as unhinged as that is for an American politician) surely you’d do your due diligence to know about the adversaries of Israel. He’s failing at his own game. And lastly these senators have some of the highest security clearance in America. They get regular intelligence briefings and they have access to ANY data that the government possesses. So to be ignorant on such a BASIC fact is absolutely astonishing.
This is the kind of competence you see in South Africa…
 
Yep! Pretty much all federal land in the West. That way rich zioboomers and fifty million H1B pajeets can “develop” it.

He thinks this’ll pay off the debt. How much, you ask? Two percent. Two fucking percent.

You want ruralites to violently revolt? This is how you do it. You want to get raped in the midterms? This is how you do it. You want our last pristine land to be (literally) shat upon? This is how you do it!

Words cannot express how much I despise these fucking decrepit cocksucking retards in congress.

>inb4 mati reacts
This chimp out is as justified as it gets
they have been doing something like this in my state as well. a lot of open areas, they hold some kangaroo court like zoning meeting to rezone it residential which they ALWAYS do because of bribery or revenue, sell it to some developer and then they build gray rectangular 4 story goypartments. the best (worst) part is the fucking buildings stick out like a sore thumb. they dont match anything, they dont match the landscape, they dont match the other older buildings. its just open area and then bam, 6 huge gray boxes. they used to build suburban neighborhoods with backyards, then they built suburban neighborhoods with no backyards and the houses 2 feet away from each other, and now this. eventually theyre just going to start building indian towers. 50 floors of shit smelling indian fucks. not a toilet in the place.
 
Yep! Pretty much all federal land in the West. That way rich zioboomers and fifty million H1B pajeets can “develop” it.

He thinks this’ll pay off the debt. How much, you ask? Two percent. Two fucking percent.

You want ruralites to violently revolt? This is how you do it. You want to get raped in the midterms? This is how you do it. You want our last pristine land to be (literally) shat upon? This is how you do it!

Words cannot express how much I despise these fucking decrepit cocksucking retards in congress.

>inb4 mati reacts
This chimp out is as justified as it gets
We all know the Chinese would just buy acres of that shit
 
What the fuck are you posting and where are these screenshots supposed to be from?
It’s a meme. Memri TV is an Arabic TV channel that occasionally (frequently) has batshit insane Muslims on saying shit like “tie me to a missile and fire me at Tel Aviv, I am ready” and “By Allah, I shall give you a taste of my shoe”. So 4chan said “hmmm, needs more crazy” and started recaptioning them. The fun comes from guessing which ones are real and which are fake.
 
Why is Reagan a "right wing hero" in the US?
Same reason Thatcher is in the UK. He won in a landslide and most of the people who voted for him are still alive so party leaders think imitating his policies and catering to the people who voted for him is a sure fire strategy to win. Reagan is to Republicans what Obama is to the Dems right now: popular figure in which associated party politicians will imitate policy-wise and in rhetoric to try and achieve comparable levels of success. I think Reagan's staunchly anti-communist rhetoric coupled with his aggressive foreign policy is one of the reasons why so many boomer Republicans are war hawks, they earnestly think it's a popular and generally accepted position amongst the American right-wing because why would so many people have voted for Reagan otherwise?
I see. You’re one of those people who would prefer to lose the country in a more orderly fashion with overwhelming legal immigration from the Third World..
When I brought up prior the issue with immigration, it's not even a purely non-white inflow you worry about. It's all of it, at least for a time. The only positive to immigration (in the past tense) was providing a explosion of industry and business in the 19th and early 20th centuries with all the labour they needed to grow, but the manufacturing businesses which'd require such labour all moved abroad from the 80s onwards so there's no real benefit to bringing in such large numbers anymore beside growing the consumer market of the USA and keeping house prices (and in turn rent prices) going up. It's only beneficial to fewer and fewer people as the years go by.

This may be conspiratorial of me to think, but beside all the more blatant ones (such as lobbying), I think governments are so reliant on large corporate entities to provide jobs for Americans that said companies will operate at a loss in places just to provide more expensive labour markets with low-skilled jobs just to reduce other overheads that might otherwise be imposed on them by the government. I think this is an implicit agreement, and one of the ways the government eases this burden on them is through immigration, since it legitimises low wages. When the French introduced a minimum wage in the 1950s, it was the absolute legal floor minimum companies were allowed to pay, but many companies still paid more than that (2, 2.5 times more on average) since wages were still competitive at that point for a limited labour pool.

All immigration, third world, first world, needs to be reduced substantially.

But that's just my view.
 
Nixon was a legitimately good politician, but he left the Gold Standard, arguably doing more damage than almost any other president economically.
There’s a limit for social security and WIC welfare programs especially Medicare and Medicaid backed by gold standard. Back then it would’ve limited the government severely because people wouldn’t have accepted that. It’s known that gold is quite limited in availability, so to strengthen those social programs you’d have to increase selling government bonds. It’s not like the government didn’t try to limit spending by restricting eligibility for those programs. Cutting costs by not cutting a dollar from the program was the way to go.

Nowadays I am sure people don’t give a shit if the gold actually exists. They rely on the legitimacy of the governments word about those financial assets.

So going back to gold standard in theory could work, after of course it’s time for FDR round 2: gold stealeroo. You bet your ass the government would limit owning gold if not even confiscate it from your average gold hoarder.
 
At the risk of being called a 'hippie' by the fox news watching, neocon in denial contingent of this thread, I'd like to share my perspective on this whole public lands issue. I've seen it said that only 1-3 million acres will be sold under the new proposal, but that 250 million acres will 'technically' become eligible for sale. Regardless of which is true, and (mostly) regardless of who buys the land or what it is used for, I firmly believe that selling off any public land is a mistake. It does not matter if it is managed by the Federal government, which I hate more than almost anything, or by state governments, to which I am mostly ambivalent.

Removing public land from public hands is a mistake every single time it happens, at any scale. My position on this stems from two main issues:

Ecological: I haven't really seen anyone in this thread make this point. As much as humans like to pretend that we exist outside of the environment, we do not. We depend on functioning ecosystems just like any other biological entity. As Leopold said, had bluegrass not taken root in the cane-lands of Kentucky, we would not have settled that land when we did. Similarly in the West, if it was not for the snowpack of the Rockies, the Sierra Nevada, the Cascades, or the Wasatch Ranges, we would not be able to live on this side of the Rockies. We depend on functioning ecosystems for drinkable water, arable soil, irrigation in the dry season, and many, many other things. It is an inescapable fact that the more we expand as a species, the more damage we do to these ecosystems that we depend on. That isn't to say humanity should voluntarily go extinct, but mindfulness in our management and occupation of the land is necessary for the long-term survival of our, and many other species. Anyone who denies this is ignorant, willfully or incidentally.

That said, public management of land means it cannot be developed for exclusive use by any individual or group of individuals, and has the greatest chance at remaining intact and ecologically functional. Privatization means development, either for extractive purposes or for the expansion of 'the urban habitat'. In both cases, it is only necessary under the perspective that humans must live as conveniently as possible, at the expense of all other organisms. This mindset will lead to our own extinction.

Recreational, cultural: I have seen this point made elsewhere in the thread, so I will be brief on it. The privatization of public lands necessarily means the limitation of recreational access to the public. If you enjoy hunting, hiking, fishing, camping, etc., your interests are directly threatened by the privatization of public lands, especially for white people. No other race, save for the natives, have a cultural appreciation for the outdoors like whites. Culturally and spiritually, preserving the outdoors benefits whites, while urbanizing it only benefits browns.

Ultimately, every person, and especially every white person, should consider an attack on public lands to be a direct attack against themselves. If it means you have to wait for more deportations before housing gets a little cheaper, so be it. The wages of convenience is the future.
 
It’s a meme. Memri TV is an Arabic TV channel that occasionally (frequently) has batshit insane Muslims on saying shit like “tie me to a missile and fire me at Tel Aviv, I am ready” and “By Allah, I shall give you a taste of my shoe”. So 4chan said “hmmm, needs more crazy” and started recaptioning them. The fun comes from guessing which ones are real and which are fake.
Oh yes. I have a whole folder of Memri Memes.
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What’s Inside a 10th Floor ICE Office? New York Democrats Want to Know.
The New York Times (archive.ph)
By Luis Ferré-Sadurní
2025-06-20 07:00:18GMT

Seven members of Congress are accusing the federal authorities of blocking their right to examine conditions at what is supposed to be a temporary stop for detained immigrants.
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Representatives Jerrold Nadler, left, and Dan Goldman of New York confronted an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official in Manhattan on Wednesday.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times

On the 10th floor of a federal building in Lower Manhattan, there is a holding area where immigration authorities have typically held a few dozen immigrants at a time for a few hours before transferring them to detention centers.

But as the Trump administration expands its immigration crackdown, the space has become overcrowded and people sleep sprawled on the floor, sometimes for days, according to those who have spent time there.

Descriptions of the conditions at the center, the New York City field office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, have prompted several congressional Democrats to demand that they be allowed inside for oversight purposes. Those demands have been denied.

On Friday, seven New York City Democrats plan to escalate their efforts to get onto the 10th floor by sending a letter to Kristi Noem, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, which includes the immigration agency, known as ICE. In the letter, they accuse the immigration authorities of violating federal laws that allow members of Congress to tour facilities where migrants are being held.


From New Jersey to California, ICE premises have turned into political battlegrounds over President Trump’s immigration agenda, leading to the arrests of several Democratic officials.

“Congressional oversight is essential to bring transparency to the conduct of the Department of Homeland Security,” the lawmakers say in the letter. “Given the overaggressive and excessive force used to handcuff and detain elected officials in public, DHS’s refusal to allow members of Congress to observe the conditions for immigrants behind closed doors begs the obvious question: what are you hiding?”

The letter is signed by Representatives Dan Goldman, Jerrold Nadler, Adriano Espaillat, Nydia Velázquez, Ritchie Torres, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Gregory Meeks.

The lawmakers also said that immigration authorities were playing word games by arguing that the 10th floor was not technically a detention facility despite migrants being held there temporarily.

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Brad Lander, the New York City controller and a mayoral candidate, being arrested by ICE agents at 26 Federal Plaza this week.Credit...Olga Fedorova/Associated Press

The 41-floor office building at 26 Federal Plaza, which also houses one of the city’s immigration courts, has become a flashpoint as federal agents arrest migrants showing up for routine immigration court hearings and appointments in recent weeks.

Brad Lander, the New York City comptroller and a Democratic candidate for mayor, was arrested there by federal agents on Tuesday as he escorted a migrant whom the agents were trying to arrest.

Many of the migrants are taken to the 10th floor, where there are four holding cells, along with desks staffed by ICE officers responsible for processing the detainees’ transfers to detention facilities outside the city, according to those who have been held there and their lawyers.

Detainees are typically divided by gender in the cells, which have bathrooms and long benches built into the walls but no beds, according to one former ICE official who worked at the center and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The cells are not meant for overnight stays, and they have filled up as ICE makes more arrests, leading to reports of unsanitary conditions and people sleeping on floors.

Mr. Espaillat and Ms. Velasquez were denied access when they showed up there on June 8. An agency spokeswoman said then that the building was not a detention center but that they would have been given a tour had they not arrived unannounced.

On Wednesday, ICE denied access to Mr. Goldman — who said he had told the agency twice that he planned to visit — and to Mr. Nadler.

They were met in the building’s lobby by the agency’s deputy field director in the city, William Joyce, who acknowledged in a brief exchange that some of the detainees had spent several days on the 10th floor, sleeping on the floor or on benches.

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William Joyce, ICE’s deputy field director in the city, acknowledged to the lawmakers that some detainees had spent several days on the building’s 10th floor.Credit...Hilary Swift for The New York Times

The congressmen argued that that made the area a “detention facility,” giving them the right, as members of Congress, to inspect it at any time.

Mr. Joyce, who said his superiors had told him to deny the lawmakers entry, insisted it was a “processing facility” and that those who stayed overnight were “in transit” to different locations.

Federal law allows members of Congress to enter and conduct oversight at “any facility operated by or for the Department of Homeland Security used to detain or otherwise house aliens.” But ICE has said in official guidance that its field offices fall outside the law’s requirements because “ICE does not house aliens at field offices.”

The letter to Ms. Noem argues that Mr. Joyce’s admission that the field office was effectively housing migrants, even temporarily, meant it should be open to congressional visits.

“When individuals are deprived of their liberty in a secure facility for multiple days, they are unquestionably being ‘detained’ or ‘housed’ under the plain language” of the law, the letter says.

In a statement, Tricia McLaughlin, a Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman, reiterated that 26 Federal Plaza was not a detention center.

“These congressional members do not have the authority to disrupt ongoing law enforcement activities and sensitive law enforcement materials,” she said.

Mr. Goldman said in an interview that he was not trying to “create hullabaloo or create a chaotic situation” by trying to visit the 10th floor.

“We were trying to give them every opportunity to allow us to do our jobs, and they still refused,” he said. “We’re very concerned about the overcrowding, the sanitation issues — food and water and hygiene — and basic treatment of these people who have been ripped away from their families and their communities when they’re trying to do things the right way.”

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ICE officers lingered in a hallway at the building after Mr. Lander’s arrest. Credit...Jefferson Siegel for The New York Times

Gwyneth Hesser, an immigration lawyer at Bronx Defenders, said one of her clients, a man from Colombia, had been held on the 10th floor for three days after being arrested following an immigration court hearing this month.

The man, like many who have been held at 26 Federal Plaza, was transferred to a detention center in Newark that has also attracted complaints, about overcrowding and dismal meals served at irregular hours. The poor conditions, Ms. Hesser said, have been a particular problem for her client, who she said is diabetic and whose blood sugar levels have spiked.

“He said they don’t see any sunlight, like they can leave their cell, but they never go outside,” she said of the conditions at the center, known as Delaney Hall.

A group of detainees held at Delaney Hall staged an uprising last week that led to the escape of four men, three of whom have since been captured. The Department of Homeland Security has insisted there was no unrest at the facility.

They complain about people sleeping on floors or being served dismal meals? It was a-ok when the Dems in Chicago were treating the invading parasites in the exact same manner or worse. Just have a read through the Chicago thread I made for plenty of examples:
Migrants report reusing soiled diapers on babies amid essential goods shortages in Chicago shelters
Chicago Tribune (archive.ph)
By Nell Salzman, Laura Rodríguez Presa, and Kate Armanini
2024-02-29 11:00:25GMT
Hostile staff, bad food, filth — that’s life in city’s shelters, migrants say
Chicago Sun-Times (archive.ph)
By Adriana Cardona-Maguigad
2024-03-05 20:35:17GMT
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Immigrants from Venezuela rest in the lobby of a police station where they have been staying with other migrant families since their arrival to the city on May 09, 2023 in Chicago, Illinois. The city has seen fluctuating numbers of busloads of migrants, adding to the difficulty of planning for arrivals. | Scott Olson/Getty Images
Remember that the Biden admin was in charge during that time, knew about the conditions, and did nothing:
After sending his letter, Pritzker said he got a quick response from White House officials. Representatives from the Department of Homeland Security, which is managing the humanitarian effort, visited Chicago recently to see first-hand the situation that has migrants sleeping on the floors of police stations and Chicago O’Hare International Airport — where Democratic delegates will be arriving when they come for the convention next year.

The DHS team “is working with Chicago officials to assess the current migrant situation and identify ways that the city and the federal government can improve efficiencies and maximize resources,” said a person who didn’t have authority to be named.
Remember when they were recently freaking out about measles outbreaks because RFK, Jr. is anti-vaccine? They had no problems with unvaccinated illegals pouring acorss the border:
Measles reported at Chicago migrant shelter
Chicago Sun-Times (archive.ph)
By Michael Loria
2024-03-08 23:41:56GMT

Oh, I just remembered this bullshit too:
US will require ALL new immigrants applying for permanent residency to be vaccinated against COVID-19 - (unless you wade across the Rio Grande illegally)

Never forgive or forget the bullshit they've put you through. Add it as fuel to the fire that burns inside you, because one day you're going to need it to do what needs to be done.
 
Niggers will never get it, lmao.
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They don't realise how good they have it. It's weird how on those bell curve memes the idiots and geniuses share the same view for different reasons but mid-wits uniformly hold the same basic bitch opinion which is the majority. American blacks are the exception to that because it seemingly requires a upper IQ for American blacks just to comprehend how good they actually have it since even midwits will just parrot platitudes pertaining to police and prisons. They refuse to acknowledge how much of their shit is ultimately self-inflicted, at least in the modern times.

If there's any truth to the idea the CIA flooded their neighbourhoods with crack, lemme know, because whilst you can blame black's behaviour biologically, British blacks don't display the same temperament as often (at least outside of London). Otherwise I don't think you can even blame welfare & LBJ for it since Europe is somewhat well-turned out (present grievances and contentiousness over guns aside). Even prior to welfare, single parentage was higher amongst blacks than whites and it rose exponentially during the 70s.

Maybe similar to Jewish people who only really have two ideological bedrocks to base their views on due to in-group preference (Marxism and Zionism), American blacks have a similarly for adopting ideas and viewpoints on a purely in-group basis only and from a small selection. From that viewpoint, they only got MLK, Obama, Booker T Washington (and other emancipatory blacks) and [insert rapper of choice here]. Oh, and Thomas Sowell, who still ultimately blames the problems of black culture on white people (he posits blacks, having no culture of their own post-emancipation, just mirrored poor Southern whites and immigrants - the problem with this view is that whites as a people developed, so why didn't blacks?) as good an egg he is otherwise (plus you'd have to read his shit, which blacks don't seemed as inclined to do).

All their figures express racial solidarity which helps promote the viewpoint that they exist as an "other" in American society, and similar to how the idea that "assimilation = erasure = bad" has spread amongst every group and community, they believe they have an impetus to not assimilate or "act white", as they say.* Maybe if Malcolm X survived instead of MLK, they'd be better? Whilst Malcolm argued for a form of segregation/self-determination for blacks, he still acknowledged the races didn't shar

American blacks seemed alright from 1950-1990s. Inherent racial shit plus enabling (welfare) could explain it but that almost seems too easy an answer. Perhaps I'm just too optimistic in that regard then.

*They use the term "Uncle Tom" for blacks who are compliant to authority, but has anyone ever looked into who he was? Fictional character, white-made during the pre-emancipation era that simply showed whites, just as a hypothetical example, that black people are human too. His original owners are nice, and their daughter (little girl) likes him. She dies, he gets pressured into being sold off, and then refuses the orders of his new master to beat other slaves and gets beaten to death for not revealing the location of a pair of escapees. The black guy in the Disney film "Song of the South" is basically what Uncle Tom was, they just changed "Tom" for "Remus".
Nixon was a legitimately good politician, but he left the Gold Standard, arguably doing more damage than almost any other president economically.
When the American economy was tied to a really well-off and relatively self-contained market (North America, East Asia, and Europe), with strong production-based economy (American steel, anto-manufacturing, etcetera), it probably would've been okay. But since the economy was ultimately reliant on manufacturers being the bedrock for a nation's production, once they left the shared economy — "shared economy" as in the consumer/worker base of North America, Europe and East Asia & Australia — it all collapsed in on itself like a stack of cards. I think remaining on the gold standard might've mitigated some of the damage but during the time, inflation dropped a ton and whilst everywhere was booming (Europe grew comparatively faster economically than America, and abandoned the GS in 1933-1936), so leaving it behind appeared to be the right call at the time, which I suppose is some half-hearted defence of Nixon's decision.

The only silver lining to this is that the economy that received all this production (China) was held back by retardedly clinging to their quasi fascist-communist economy (state direction of companies yet no private ownership) meaning economic growth is confined to a strict few cities whilst the rest of the country sits in squalor and stagnancy. If Trump's tariffs force production to leave China to anywhere else it might ultimately collapse what mirage of an economy they do have at the moment. If it's already happening, then it'll take, like, four to ten years for it fully become apparent.

What returning to the gold standard would do now is give the American government less control over its economy, which is probably a good thing all things considered; however, when you factor in how many dollars are out there as a result of constant year upon year inflation, who knows what the effects would be.
 
This skinwalker is just really bad at pretending to be any form of real human:

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This isn't a bad thing, Fagin Newscum. You think it's going to trigger some jealousy in Trump, it's clear this term he's been told that when his staff does well it makes him look good. I mean let's look at RFK, he is literally doing simple shit that should have been easy goals for the left years ago, but it's a Trump MAHA W that makes him look good. And Miller being Thanos-level on illegals is what every middle-aged person wants right now.
Pretty standard lefty op nowadays. Anyone who works with Trump and is effective, try and drive a wedge between them by claiming they're REALLY in charge. The cartoon supervillain Trump that lives rent free in their imagination can't stand not being the main character.

There was a story not too long ago about a pregnant woman being put into a coma/brain death (something to that effect). They kept her alive so the baby could have a chance and because state law prevented abortions, and they delivered the baby a day or two ago.
Baby of brain-dead woman delivered in Georgia, woman's mother says
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IIRC, everyone state level told these people flat out that no, the abortion law doesn't work that way, taking her off life support isn't abortion, so it's all 100% performative by Emory University Hospital. They're trying to create ill will towards the Abortion law. But whoopsy doodle, the baby survived to term and is now a miracle, so the left is pivoting to some sort of new performative kabuki dance about it.

I'm reminded of that one woman being intentionally allowed to die because her fetus died and they refused to take it out cause "that would be an abortion and those are illegal." Think the plan there was to let her get really sick and then take it out at the last minute but she died faster than expected.

The "do no harm" Hippocratic oath is no more valid than a lawyer's ethical obligations.
 
Mormons really are just spiritual jews huh. They try to come off as le based trad conservatives but in reality they're one of the most reptilian and slimy people out there. You expect anything good to come out of the same people that gave us Mitt Romney? They do the same ruleslawyering bs the jews do in order to circumvent their own religious laws; at least libshits are honest about their degeneracy. Not to mention that they are one of the biggest servants of globohomo through their missionary and glowie shenanigans.
Decent Mormons exist, like every other group. And like every other group, you'd never notice them because decent people don't rise to prominence - Only the noisiest motherfuckers.
 
IIRC, everyone state level told these people flat out that no, the abortion law doesn't work that way, taking her off life support isn't abortion, so it's all 100% performative by Emory University Hospital. They're trying to create ill will towards the Abortion law. But whoopsy doodle, the baby survived to term and is now a miracle, so the left is pivoting to some sort of new performative kabuki dance about it.
Latest article on it.
If I were to have the most kind-hearted, good-faith look at it, I'd theorise the hospital used the abortion law as justification to keep the woman alive and in-turn her child alive in an attempt to save it. Purely left up to the family, they would've taken her off life support since she had no chance and the child would've died with her.
An Emory Healthcare spokesperson said its top priorities "continue to be the safety and wellbeing of the patients and families we serve."

"Emory Healthcare uses consensus from clinical experts, medical literature and legal guidance to support our providers as they make medical recommendations," the spokesperson said. "Emory Healthcare is legally required to maintain the confidentiality of the protected health information of our patients, which is why we are unable to comment on individual matters and circumstances.
The "bad PR" for anti-abortion legislation was an unfortunate side effect but they guaranteed that the woman's other son wouldn't lose both his mum and younger brother by taking it out of their hands effectively. It's also still unclear whether they were actually supplied the "no abortions" as a reason for keeping their daughter alive by the university/hospital or they just straight up falsified it because neither the hospital or the university have given that as a reason themselves.
In Georgia, abortions are illegal after six weeks of pregnancy. Exceptions include some situations to protect women’s lives and health, when fetal anomalies are detected and in cases of rape and incest that have been documented with police.

The state Attorney General’s Office said in May that nothing in the LIFE Act “requires medical professionals to keep a woman on life support after brain death,” WXIA reported.

The office said removing a patient from life support “is not an action with the purpose to terminate a pregnancy." But Republican state Sen. Ed Setzler, who sponsored the 2019 law, told The Associated Press that he supported the hospital's actions.

“I think it is completely appropriate that the hospital do what they can to save the life of the child,” he said. “I think this is an unusual circumstance, but I think it highlights the value of innocent human life. I think the hospital is acting appropriately.”

Though to support your argument regarding the Hippocratic oath, another hospital (Northside) probably outright contributed to her death through improper screening and probably gave her some paracetamol for her headaches, thus killing her indirectly.
“[The baby] is expected to be OK,” she told the station. “He’s just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him.”

Smith also has an older son.

Newkirk did not immediately respond to NBC News' request for comment Tuesday.

She previously told WXIA that the family was required to keep Smith alive under the state’s near-total abortion ban, known as the LIFE Act. Smith, whose family celebrated her 31st birthday Sunday, has been hospitalized since February after she initially sought treatment for severe headaches, her family has said.

Newkirk said Smith initially went to Northside Hospital but was released and given medication. She said the hospital did not run any scans or tests.

Northside did not respond to a request for comment Tuesday.

A day after she sought treatment, Smith’s boyfriend woke to find her gasping for air and making gargling noises, Newkirk told WXIA. Smith was rushed to Emory Decatur Hospital and transferred to Emory University Hospital, where a CT scan showed multiple blood clots in her brain, the station reported.
 
my favorite back and forth in that verbal beating was when cruz kept calling tucker an antisemite, then denied calling him an antisemite, then said that if he wasnt an antisemite he would like to know what else to call it, which confirms that he was in fact calling him an antisemite. ole teddy really mastered the jew tactic of cowering under pressure and just blindly calling someone an antisemite until the subject changes from whatever they dont want to talk about to how the other person hates jews somehow
I wish people started to call them Christophobic in response. “You just hate Christians and want them to get killed!”
 
Ecological: I haven't really seen anyone in this thread make this point. As much as humans like to pretend that we exist outside of the environment, we do not. We depend on functioning ecosystems just like any other biological entity. As Leopold said, had bluegrass not taken root in the cane-lands of Kentucky, we would not have settled that land when we did. Similarly in the West, if it was not for the snowpack of the Rockies, the Sierra Nevada, the Cascades, or the Wasatch Ranges, we would not be able to live on this side of the Rockies. We depend on functioning ecosystems for drinkable water, arable soil, irrigation in the dry season, and many, many other things. It is an inescapable fact that the more we expand as a species, the more damage we do to these ecosystems that we depend on. That isn't to say humanity should voluntarily go extinct, but mindfulness in our management and occupation of the land is necessary for the long-term survival of our, and many other species. Anyone who denies this is ignorant, willfully or incidentally.
This was precisely my concern reading all the talk about housing in the Rockies. Water scarcity issues are a huge out west. The idea that we can build endless homes in a parched environment to lower prices instead of just... you know... deporting all the shitskins is completely retarded. Reminds me of that meme about how 'the US still has space, you can fit trillions more people if you grind them into a fine dust and store them in silos.' Ideas about expanding population can't completely ignore things like drinking water, sewage, transportation of food if you're settling in a particularly non-arable region. Look at Central Asia for the perfect example of how that shit can go horribly wrong.
 
The exact population of Iran isn't an important issue.
Hard disagree. Memorizing demographics isn't actaully important to staying current on what's going on in Iran. It's more important to know about the terror networks they back throughout the Middle East, like their relationship with Hezbollah.
We expect our military leaders to analyze and understand the cultural and social makeup of a country we may go to war with, but we aren’t supposed to expect the same of the people that order our military to go to war? If you don’t understand the ins and outs of how a country works socially, you’re going to screw the region up more than if you left it alone. Look at Afghanistan and Iraq for a very recent lesson on why this matters. Just because a bunch of people live in the same country doesn’t mean they all like each other, especially in the middle east. Not to mention the sheer number of displaced civilians in a conflict involving Iran. Where are they all going to go? Who’s taking them?

Only an amateur would act aloof about understanding the social and cultural aspects of how a country works when it comes to warfare.
 
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