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Breadbassket · Jun 21, 2025

Silence of the Troons said:
A Youtuber user pointed out something interesting in the comments section of Mentour Pilot's recent video about Malaysia Airlines 17.

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Here are images that claim to prove that:

An article from around the time of the 2014 crash verifies that Air India's Birmingham-Delhi Flight 113 (Registration: VT-ANB) was 25 kilometers behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

(‿ˠ‿) ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ) · Jun 21, 2025

This changes everything. My new hypothesis:

The 787 flew through the ghosts of those killed in the MH17 shootdown, and had been haunted ever since, with those poor spirits growing ever more vengeful the longer they found themselves trapped in India

not william stenchever · Jun 21, 2025

(‿ˠ‿) ԅ(≖‿≖ԅ) said:
The 787 flew through the ghosts of those killed in the MH17 shootdown, and has been haunted ever since, with those poor spirits growing ever more vengeful the longer they found themselves trapped in India

Ghoststrikes instead of birdstrikes is a new one to me. It's bullshit but I believe it. I suppose it would be easier to haunt another, intact, airframe than a debris field.

Hunter Hearst Helmsley · Jun 21, 2025

not william stenchever said:
Ghoststrikes instead of birdstrikes is a new one to me. It's bullshit but I believe it. I suppose it would be easier to haunt another, intact, airframe than a debris field.

Ghosts have been a known issue in aviation since the 70s at least.

https://vocal.media/horror/ghosts-of-flight-401

Still safer than driving.

Google.com · Jun 21, 2025

Not A Cat Person said:
Another random Youtube commenter has something to say that I thought was notable.
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tl;dr: they reckon a catastrophic failure of part of the electrical system caused a particular safety valve to shut that stops fuel to the engines in the event of a crash, prior to the crash. They also reckon the pilots had attempted to retract the landing gear but were unable to because various systems that are needed for that had failed.

I don't think the theory in this comment is right but through researching I have found some things.

October 2018 | Australian ATSB reports a scoot airways 787 encountered an uncommanded engine shutdown on descent. The EEC was unable to control the engine due to a blocked filter in a metering valve | Source Ghost | RR Engine aircraft
March 2019 | A Jetstar Airways 787 encountered serious engine issues nearly resulting in dual engine failure due to an improperly performed biocide treatment | Source | GE Engine
April 2021 | FAA issues an airworthiness directive on GE option aircraft requiring replacement of the EEC at certain intervals due to soldering issues being able to cause the EEC to fail | Source Archive | GE engine Aircraft

I could not find any real public information on the actual design. I believe the FSOV is actually called the "spar fuel valves"

Regarding the EEC Engine control unit the EEV can command automatic shutdowns in these conditions.

Engine turbine RPM is overspeeding, RPM limiting has failed, and the overspeed condition has been present for a certain amount of time.
The aircraft is on the ground, the thrust level is at idle, and the engine has exceeded idle speeds and is not slowing down normally. This is called the TCMA System

The EEC can also limit max thrust in these scenarios

The failure of some certain valves inside the engine can cause the EEC to limit thrust to prevent overheating. Only if the aircraft is over 400ft altitude
In the event of reduced thrust or an engine failure the EEC may reduce thrust on the other engine to prevent asymmetric thrust that would provide more drag than thrust.

I don't see any mention anywhere that the EEC will shut off fuel supply if it detects the aircraft has crashed.

FADEC TCMA

The TCMA has had one completely faulty activation in a 787 and another iffy one in an Airbus.

January 2019 | An ANA airlines 787 had a dual engine failure upon activating the thrust reverses on landing this seems to have been caused by a software glitch in the TCMA. | Source Ghost | RR Engine Aircraft
July 2021 | Air Baltic A220 encounters an engine fault inflight, upon landing the TCMA shut down both engines | Mentour Pilot Ghost

The fact that the same system in two different aircraft activated in very suspicious circumstances years apart after it was supposed to be fixed is a bit odd. Maybe the Air India flight had some sort of fault with the TCMA, wheels could of bounced on take off, caused some other Indian software glitch to show it's head. TCMA falsely thinks the engine is malfunctioning and the aircraft is on the ground, shuts down both engines. Either way it seems like a very poorly designed system, the fact that it seems unnecessarily sensitive and will activate without any delay or way to override it.

Rome's rightful successor · Jun 21, 2025

Just say gremlins did it and get over with it.

RodgerDodger · Jun 25, 2025

legendary former NTSB Crash Investigators weigh in on the lack of information and transperancy concerning the crash. They seem to be coming to a conclusion based on what is and is not being done and said by India and the investigators.

IT LOOKS LIKE TOILET WITCHES DID IT! (Honestly not kidding)

It turns out India was right all along. Supa Powa 2026 baby!

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A little more about Boeing 787 and Their vulnerability to Toilet Witches FAA notice from April 2025

https://simpleflying.com/faa-boeing-787-dreamliner-corrosion-lavatories-break-free/

Lavatories breaking free

In a notice of proposed rulemaking (NPRM), the FAA proposed to adopt an AD for Boeing 787-8, 787-9, and 787-10 aircraft following reports of corrosion in one or more of the eight lower-fitting assemblies and adjacent lavatory components on certain lavatories on the aircraft.

According to the FAA, the corrosion, caused by “the galvanic interaction of aluminum and carbon fiber as a result of the wet environment at the lavatory,” could result in the aircraft’s lavatories breaking free from the lower mounts during an event with high g-forces.

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This could result in potentially serious injury to passengers and/or flight crew or “displaced lavatory blockage that prevents egress through the aisle and exits.”

The FAA estimated that 159 787-8, 787-9, and 787-10 aircraft in the US would be affected by the still-proposed directive. Following the normal rulemaking process, stakeholders are invited to comment on the regulator’s proposals until May 22.

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Summarizing the proposed changes to address the corrosion issues, the FAA would mandate operators to perform a detailed inspection of the lower fitting assemblies and the centerline partition threshold of the lavatories for corrosion, recording on the modification record placard, and if any corrosion is found, actions to rectify the condition.

“This proposed AD would also require revising the existing maintenance program to incorporate a detailed inspection of the lavatory vertical side forward fittings for corrosion or damage.”

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The FAA estimated that inspection and placard recording would take 15 working hours per lavatory, with an estimated per-hour labor cost of $85, resulting in total labor-related expenses of $1,275 per lavatory. Parts would cost $3,700 per lavatory, resulting in airlines incurring $4,975 in costs to fix a single lavatory.

With up to six of them on an aircraft, this could balloon to $29,850, with the total cost for all US operators of 787s being up to $4.7 million, according to the FAA’s estimates.

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In addition, the regulator assumed that revising the existing maintenance program takes an average of 90 working hours per operator. However, the number may vary. Since airlines incorporate maintenance program changes for their affected fleet(s), the FAA concluded that a per-operator estimate is more accurate than a per-aircraft one, resulting in an estimated cost of $7,650 to change the maintenance program per aircraft.

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“The FAA has received no definitive data on which to base the cost estimates for the on-condition repairs specified in this proposed AD.”

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The agency warned that it had included “all known” expenses in its estimates, yet some of the costs incurred to comply with the directive could be covered under warranty, potentially reducing operators' costs.

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According to ch-aviation data, in the US, American Airlines, Hawaiian Airlines, and United Airlines currently have 138 787s that are active, stored, or undergoing maintenance.

This is split between 48 787-8s, owned by American Airlines (36) and United Airlines (12), 68 787-9s, owned by American Airlines (22), Hawaiian Airlines (three), and United Airlines (43), and 21 787-10s, which are all owned by

United Airlines.

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The FAA based its proposed directive on Boeing Special Attention Requirements Bulletin (RB) B787-81205-SB250302-00 RB, Issue 001, which the plane maker issued on August 21, 2024. The RB also outlines the affected aircraft line numbers (LN) and provides the compliance and applicable times when the rectifying actions should be completed.

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https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/faa-boeing-787-inspections-water-leak-issues

DALLAS — The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has adopted AD 2025‑09‑12, effective June 18, 2025, mandating inspections and on‑condition sealant repairs on select Boeing 787‑8, ‑9, and ‑10 series airplanes.

This action was prompted by reports of potable‑water‑system leaks—stemming from improperly installed waterline couplings—that allowed water to seep into electronics equipment (EE) bays, risking electrical shorts and potential loss of critical flight systems.

Under the new AD, operators must perform a detailed inspection of the floor‑seat tracks above the aft EE bays to check for missing, damaged, or deteriorated sealant, moisture‑barrier tape, and tape dams, following Boeing Alert Requirements Bulletin B787‑81205‑SB530085‑00 RB, Issue 001 (dated March 6, 2024).

Any deficiencies must be corrected by applying new sealant, barrier tape, or tape dams before further flight. Compliance is required within the intervals specified in the bulletin, but no later than five years from the AD’s effective date.

The FAA estimates the inspection will take up to 22 work‑hours per airplane (at an average labor rate of US$85/hour), with follow‑on repairs, if needed, taking up to 33 hours plus parts. All costs may be covered under Boeing’s warranty programs.

47 U.S.‑registered Boeing 787s are affected. Operators of aircraft compliant with the previous AD 2016‑14‑04 need to take no additional action under this new directive. We can recall that, due to horizontal stabilizer misalignment concerns, the FAA recently proposed a mandated inspection for all US-registered 787s.

138 Boeing 787s registered in the U.S. are active, stored, or undergoing maintenance. This includes a mix of the aforementioned Dreamliner models operated by United Airlines (UA), American Airlines (AA), and Hawaiian Airlines (HA).

DavidS877 · Jun 25, 2025

RodgerDodger said:
A little more about Boeing 787 and Their vulnerability to Toilet Witches FAA notice from April 2025

If corrosion is related to use, on an Indian 787 there would never be any corrosion around the toilets.

bliblblblbbllb · Jun 25, 2025

I am retarded: is my understanding here correct?

There was a known fault in how the toilets/ bathroom water supply is plumbed into these types of planes. So water could leak out and corrode metal and disturb electronics in the plane. The whole thing was defective somehow, but until all the money and stuff was approved to fix all of the planes totally by replacing the whole thing, they just had to keep an eye on it and fix it temporarily on individual planes. This plane probably had not been totally fixed and was not even temporarily fixed enough, so water broke some important electrical system that made the plane crash.

I want to know if this was a passenger bathroom, crew sink, the coffee maker, idk. Was it like, visibly water has been pooling against the wall and nobody reported it? Or was it something that happened totally internally and nobody, not even the crew, could be expected to have seen it on the inside of the plane until it was too late?

WelperHelper99 · Jun 25, 2025

bliblblblbbllb said:
I am retarded: is my understanding here correct?

There was a known fault in how the toilets/ bathroom water supply is plumbed into these types of planes. So water could leak out and corrode metal and disturb electronics in the plane. The whole thing was defective somehow, but until all the money and stuff was approved to fix all of the planes totally by replacing the whole thing, they just had to keep an eye on it and fix it temporarily on individual planes. This plane probably had not been totally fixed and was not even temporarily fixed enough, so water broke some important electrical system that made the plane crash.

I want to know if this was a passenger bathroom, crew sink, the coffee maker, idk. Was it like, visibly water has been pooling against the wall and nobody reported it? Or was it something that happened totally internally and nobody, not even the crew, could be expected to have seen it on the inside of the plane until it was too late?

Yes and no. Dissimilar material corrosion is not as uncommon as you would think. A lot of times it's different metals touching that shouldn’t be, but in this case, it's carbon fiber and aluminum causing a reaction, multiplied by the water. Carbon fiber is relatively new in the material science world. Honestly they might not have known.

RodgerDodger · Jun 25, 2025

bliblblblbbllb said:
I am retarded: is my understanding here correct?

There was a known fault in how the toilets/ bathroom water supply is plumbed into these types of planes. So water could leak out and corrode metal and disturb electronics in the plane. The whole thing was defective somehow, but until all the money and stuff was approved to fix all of the planes totally by replacing the whole thing, they just had to keep an eye on it and fix it temporarily on individual planes. This plane probably had not been totally fixed and was not even temporarily fixed enough, so water broke some important electrical system that made the plane crash.

I want to know if this was a passenger bathroom, crew sink, the coffee maker, idk. Was it like, visibly water has been pooling against the wall and nobody reported it? Or was it something that happened totally internally and nobody, not even the crew, could be expected to have seen it on the inside of the plane until it was too late?

All planes can develop issues around the toilets and potable water plumbing. Maintenance needs to be watching for it. And one of these buletins is just that. Alerting to the places to watch for corrosion and water leakage. The other one where the entire fucking lavatories break free? That's pure fucking Boeing.

Slav Power · Jun 25, 2025

I am trying my best not to laugh out loud right now. This is just too perfect. :story:

KiwiFuzz2 · Jun 25, 2025

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Bowl of Ramen · Jun 25, 2025

Breadbassket said:
Here are images that claim to prove that:
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An article from around the time of the 2014 crash verifies that Air India's Birmingham-Delhi Flight 113 (Registration: VT-ANB) was 25 kilometers behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

This is actually really sharp on that YouTube commenter's part. Aviation can be a witness to a lot of creepy coincidences or extreme human misfortune. And there's been quite a few plane (and terminal) hauntings over the years.

reptile baht spaniard rid · Jun 25, 2025

Bowl of Ramen said:
This is actually really sharp on that YouTube commenter's part. Aviation can be a witness to a lot of creepy coincidences or extreme human misfortune. And there's been quite a few plane (and terminal) hauntings over the years.

The toilet witches are the ghosts of the passengers of MA17.

French Dip · Jun 25, 2025

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bliblblblbbllb said:
I am retarded: is my understanding here correct?

There was a known fault in how the toilets/ bathroom water supply is plumbed into these types of planes. So water could leak out and corrode metal and disturb electronics in the plane. The whole thing was defective somehow, but until all the money and stuff was approved to fix all of the planes totally by replacing the whole thing, they just had to keep an eye on it and fix it temporarily on individual planes. This plane probably had not been totally fixed and was not even temporarily fixed enough, so water broke some important electrical system that made the plane crash.

I want to know if this was a passenger bathroom, crew sink, the coffee maker, idk. Was it like, visibly water has been pooling against the wall and nobody reported it? Or was it something that happened totally internally and nobody, not even the crew, could be expected to have seen it on the inside of the plane until it was too late?

Aviation mechanic here. At any one time there will can multiple issues that are monitored on an aircraft. This is usually not an issue so long as FAA guidelines are followed closely. I work on 737s and I can tell you that during heavy checks, we often find corrosion that threatens the structure of the floor under the lavatories and galleys. It would still not be a problem for a long time, but we go ahead and cut out all the damaged sections and install new beams. This isn't really anything to be alarmed about unless the guidelines were not followed. It is also unlikely that this issue could have caused the crash even if it was ignored, unless something absolutely wild happened. Mayyyybe a beam finally gave out under takeoff stresses and it tore a wire bundle, causing the throttles to return to idle.

AnOminous · Jun 25, 2025

bliblblblbbllb said:
Or was it something that happened totally internally and nobody, not even the crew, could be expected to have seen it on the inside of the plane until it was too late?

They probably missed it because literally nobody has ever been in those toilets.

RodgerDodger · Jun 25, 2025

French Dip said:
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Aviation mechanic here. At any one time there will can multiple issues that are monitored on an aircraft. This is usually not an issue so long as FAA guidelines are followed closely. I work on 737s and I can tell you that during heavy checks, we often find corrosion that threatens the structure of the floor under the lavatories and galleys. It would still not be a problem for a long time, but we go ahead and cut out all the damaged sections and install new beams. This isn't really anything to be alarmed about unless the guidelines were not followed. It is also unlikely that this issue could have caused the crash even if it was ignored, unless something absolutely wild happened. Mayyyybe a beam finally gave out under takeoff stresses and it tore a wire bundle, causing the throttles to return to idle.

In a 787-8 where are the First ~~Class~~ Caste Lavatories located in relation to the Electronics Bays? I would imagine the critical electronics don't react well to that blue porta potty swill.

French Dip · Jun 26, 2025

RodgerDodger said:
In a 787-8 where are the First ~~Class~~ Caste Lavatories located in relation to the Electronics Bays? I would imagine the critical electronics don't react well to that blue porta potty swill.

I have no idea, I've never seen one of those big bastards. The narrow bodies are produced in the thousands and the wide bodies are usually produced in the hundreds so my shop only does narrow bodies. But on the 737, the forward lav and gally are right on top of the electronics bay. There are drip trays with drainage tubes on top of every single rack, and the waste water tube in that area has a backup rubber sleeve around the joints, which have their own connectors and seals already. It would be very hard for water to actually reach the racks of quick swap electronics boxes.

DavidS877 · Jun 26, 2025

It's interesting that there could be water leakage near electronics and passengers on previous flights in the same aircraft seem to have reported electrical problems in the cabin.

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