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if this is real it sounds like we're letting Israel handle it. I doubt Vance is going to say this publicly and risk creating a rift between him and trump without it being Trumps position also. The US will probably help Israel logistically when they send in a team to take out the mountain bunker though
 
I think the hope is if we bomb them
Enough the Iranians will do regime change for us, I could see it happening, I could also see it turning into a brutal civil war. Honestly both work in the case, I just don’t think bombing alone will do it
This is an idea so dumb only a neocon would suggest it.

First of all Iran is very nationalistic country with a history dating back millennia. Not a Yugoslavia where a half a dozen nationalities have been forced together for a few decades at gunpoint.

Secondly: What are the odds of Iranians ganging up on other Iranians instead of gee idk… The invaders bombing them? If China bombed the US and then invaded, you think they’d be greeted as liberators even in California? Even in outright dictatorships like Nazi Germany and the USSR, the invaders weren’t exactly treated as liberators by more than a handful of people.

Thirdly: This is neocon lies, just like they lied about Iraq. Remember how “we’d be recieved as liberators”?
 
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Oh hey the dude that actually got sent to the desert to fight a bullshit war is saying we shouldn't do it again. I wonder what "intense" means and if the Israel's mentioned the Holocaust.
It's only a matter of time until Vance gets The Call. I bet by the end of next week he'll be parroting fox news neocon talking points about war with Iran. It happened with Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, and now it will with JD Vance.
I hate blackpilling but it seems inevitable now that we're going to fight against Iran in another forever war.
 
I think the hope is if we bomb them
Enough the Iranians will do regime change for us, I could see it happening, I could also see it turning into a brutal civil war. Honestly both work in the case, I just don’t think bombing alone will do it
"Wow, golly, I know those Israelis and those American pigs bombed us but maybe the regime are just as bad?"
You realize that this conflict that the US is being dragged onto is the direct result of the previous times we decided to drop bombs in the Middle East? I don't think bombing them for generations is going to do much.
It's only a matter of time until Vance gets The Call. I bet by the end of next week he'll be parroting fox news neocon talking points about war with Iran. It happened with Tucker Carlson, Tulsi Gabbard, and now it will with JD Vance.
I hate blackpilling but it seems inevitable now that we're going to fight against Iran in another forever war.
I think the Trump team knows that even his own voterbase is against this. I said it before and you can give me all the rainbows you want but if you want to have all the MAGA people start to break away then just go full tard on Iran.

If they want to throw it all away for good goy points, then so be it, it will suck but it will also be interesting to see the first real cracks in the movement.
 
Then don't these recent actions by Trump make you think regime change isn't the goal?
Regime change IS the goal, they’re just being coy about it.

(Though Tbf: I don’t know if Trump is on it, or just being dumb enough to believe the neocons.)

They know it’s unpopular to go: “Time to send an expeditionary force!”

The only way to get there, is to slowly ratchet it up.

Either wait for Iran to respond to American attacks so they can go: “Look! They shot down our plane and attacked our soldiers in Iraq!” Or by going: “Well, bombing didn’t work! We established Iran can’t have a nuke, we’re already invested so we will have to send an expeditionary force! The hit to our prestige just by giving up will be too great, Mr. Trump!”

If the goal REALLY was to ensure Iran won’t have a nuke (something they’re years away from anyways) then we wouldn’t even be talking about bombing. Since what would prevent the Iranians from just digging a deeper installation next time, in the unlikely event that they take out Fordow?

but if you want to have all the MAGA people start to break away then just go full tard on Iran.
Especially when Trump simultaneously is cucking out on mass deportations.
 
Vance should just say "you know what, we can drop two bunker bombs on Iran, but then you say Israel are cunts for starting this while we were talking and we're done supporting them." We need to straight up phrase it as Israel are being shithead friends right now.

There's supposedly some ground forces happening right now going on at Fordow so it wouldn't surprise me if the IDF is now doing more shit.
 
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Ere we go Vance, you tell those kikes what's bloody what! Oh so based.
 
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Oh hey the dude that actually got sent to the desert to fight a bullshit war is saying we shouldn't do it again. I wonder what "intense" means and if the Israel's mentioned the Holocaust.
Would you look at that, its almost as if Bibi has been asking, demanding, and I bet even screaming for America to get involved. I'd tag the resident jew, but I'm sure he'd jew his way out of admitting he was wrong. Oh well.
 
Oh you know they.I really believed they overplayed the Hitler thing.I would not be surprised if the next generation wants Israel completely cut off , unless of course..... a tower falls
the jews have somehow managed to:

• Turn the right wing into hardcore national traditionalists who hate them due to their social policies
• Turn the left wing into antisemites who hate them because they're "western colonizers"
• bring their only allies in the United States and Europe to the brink of collapse by destroying their culture, economies and actively trying to replace all the white people who like them (or at least feel guilty about "the 6 million™" with brownoids who despise them.

it's actually shocking how hard they've fumbled everything
It happened with Tucker Carlson
Carlson has in no way backed down on his stance on war with Iran being retarded.
 
What’s the demographic of these pockets why are they unlikely to unite? Are they just too different?
Hey here’s a wild and wacky thought…

Given that Iran went through a brutal EIGHT YEARS long war against Iraq without internal collapse, maybe the Iranians, whatever gripes they may or may not have with their regime, don’t want a bunch of kikes and Americans telling them what to do or how they should be governed?

Maybe the Jranians don’t think that they’re as oppressed as the neocons say they are, and have a feeling that things could easily get worse, even if they’re not enthusiastic about their current system?


That's what happened with the Solemani bombing, and nothing really happened after that.
I like how people make this claim and totally forget that Iran attacked American military bases after the Soleimani strike, and killed some nogs.
 
I think Gabbard as well as others are just showing a unified front for now. Trump doesn’t want war and I can believe the entire situation is both Israel and Iran running propaganda, but are in completely different boats. Israel, even without the full back of the US, can wage a war and are running a “oh gawd, oh gawd it’s annudah shoah!” propaganda to excuse their bullshit. Iran basically fucking can’t, I don’t believe their “we will let UN investigators in” mostly because the UN is full of Indians who are easily bribed.

It’s basically two faggots wanting to get shit on their dick, but only one wants to actually do it. However, the willing one wants someone else to be it’s fluffer before it gets shit on its dick.
 
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