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nothing else can solve the problem.
outsourcing your immigration policy to the lunatic dictator next door because you refuse to police your own borders is not a good approach to statesmanship, it's retardation.
You can jump around and call it retarded all you want and scream MUH DICTATOR to justify turning in to hellhole failed state. But the simple fact remains the world was a better place with Libya intact then it is now with it smashed. There wasn't a limitless unchecked migration superhighway through the land. There wasn't open air slave markets. Tossing Gaddafi some pocket change everytime he chimped out and wanted a new gold plated toilet seems like a very,very small price to pay compared to costs that followed taking him out.

Regime change in Libya was NOT a success story. Benghazi stands as a perfect monument to that fact. And if you can't even admit that simple reality then discussing it is just a waste of time.
 
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I've explained this before as well. The Jews Bad Narrative has permeated normie culture. They have purged their good will with the youth. There is no more good will for the Israelites and dragging us into another conflict, warranted or not, is pissing whatever good will is left away. Bibi overplayed his hands and now that every other religion is into the political game, he's losing influence. This is all good and bodes well for the future. The children of tomorrow are very likely to outright reject Israel in the future.

The only problem is...those same normies are then defacto accepting Islam instead. They're choosing Palestine and Islamists over Israel just because they're diametrically opposed and don't understand Islam. They just think Islam is funny dumb brown man religion where they throw women in bags and occasionally say hurka durka. In reality, Islam is a death worshipping cult that molests children and it's a religion basked into more ignorance than Mormonism. The normies don't understand that Islam and secular society cannot co-exist. Islamic culture has them outbreeding and outpacing every other people's and they are installing Sharia Law wherever they go whether people realize it or not. Most people are not willing to accept the notion of "Yes, all Muslims in your community are bad and their religion cannot be tolerated because they will not allow you to co-exist with them". Not enough people are talking about the child rape gangs in the UK or Epic City. They choose to think Islam is just like every other religion when it isn't. Now we're heading for a far worse conflict than I think most KFers really understand. You people really do not hate Islam enough.
Believe it or not, I actually agree with everything you said here.
 
It really is wild to see how many people here will defend Islam, a religion that nearly destroyed Europe and Christendom, because they hate Jews so much based on infographics they read on /pol/.
One can hate both Mudslimes and Kikes at the same time. The two side false dichotomy is bullshit and I hate faggots who spout this shit. Not wanting to get in another useless forever war in the Middle East on the behest of Jews doesn't mean I defend Islam. Fuck Islam and Fuck Judaism, I don't give two shits about their 1000+ year old ethno-religious war
 
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Or maybe that we bomb or coup the ones that did exist? That's not a factor here?
Look I am not a hawk but it’s 100% the tribalism not the bombing otherwise they wouldn’t have been this fucked since ww1 if not longer I’d argue the Middle East has been fucked since the sack of Baghdad by the mongols. Or if you want to go even further back the rise of Islam itself destroying Greco-Roman Middle East culture, all other competing Semitic cultures and classical Persian culture.
 
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Money is all in. Percentages in brackets reflect chance that US will get involved in a protracted, boots on the ground war in the middle east.
- One day ago. [40%]
- Iran must respond, if they look too weak to strike back, Iranian revolutionaries may think they have a chance at overthrowing the regime. [55%]
- Iran is already talking about closing the Strait of Hormuz. This will cause financial harm to US. [60%]
- Iran may strike some nearby US military installations with short range missiles they can't use on Israel. [80%]
- The bombs the US dropped probably didn't wipe out the nuclear facilities completely, the efficacy of the bombs being a one and done was already being questioned days ago. [80%]
- All the above will cause the US to return for more rounds of airstrikes. [90%]
- US may be convinced that to finish the job of destroying the nuclear facilities, boots on the ground are needed. This idea has also been floated for days. [100%]
 
we've been choking on this nigger dick for 70 fucking years there's not a snowball's chance in hell things will ever change.

every time i link this arab twink's channel people seethe but you can pick literally any video he's ever made about the US-Israeli relationship and just be gobsmacked with how well documented, how blatant, how obscene the Israeli rape of America has been.

No offense I'm not watching this whole TL;DW video. So I'm nitpicking here. I skipped to a random point (19:00) and he claims Israel gets to do whatever it wants with US Aid with no accounting which is apparently different from any other US Aid sponsor. I'm calling bullshit all the other nations waste US AID money too (that's why Trump closing USAID was a big win). You'd be a damn fool if you don't think the rest of the world is filled with shithole corrupt nations that have crook politicians that siphon. Think Somalia and Ukraine isn't corrupt?
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Oh yes Israel does have one of the most shocking mental holds a nation has ever had on another. We had Ted Cruz (a person I like to think as one of the decent ones) say more or less "We're told in the Bible to defend Israel so we will." And look I love religion and I think the Bible is the most powerful book we'll ever have but I also think Politicians should operate in a secular lens.

At the end of the day though I back the USA being a big swinging asshole on the world because as an American I want all the other nations to tremble before us. MIGA runs parallel with that. SUFFA PERSIANS.

The alternative was to continue Biden policy, which was to be a CUCK that unfroze money to Iran and did a prisoner swap with them. We didn't get ANYTHING out of being nice to Iran.
 
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This is going to continue to escalate to that point because Iran is run by fuckin’ ideologies who don’t understand surrender and Trump doesn’t relent until someone says uncle.

This will get significantly worse if Iran decides to close off their oil reserves. Trump will not fuck around, he will put boots on the ground and invade with Israeli support. Trump is already speaking as if we’re poised to go to war.

The problem is that this idea is that if you bomb enough, it will "FIX" the problem in Iran. It is not possible.

Yes, key infrastructure is being destroyed, yes, the Nuke might be slowed down, "maybe".
However, this does not change the fact that Iran can still get the bomb, attack US bases, hit Israel, and so on. Perhaps not today, but over time, they can still pursue these options, and as I have said before, I believe that Iran has two options it might pursue.

1. Wait it out and hit back when they can.
2. Try to get boots on the ground from the US/Israel, as that allows Iran to attack and hurt them.

There has never been a single instance in history when bombings alone have been effective.
Even World War 2 and Japan. The nukes were a significant contributing factor, but they were not the only factor that led to that surrender.

The Soviets had denied the Japanese peace deals and negotiations and were planning to invade.
They suffered from starvation and were spent entirely militarily.
From what I read, the Japanese initially only believed the US had 1 nuke, but when the second nuke hit. This scared the Japanese as they did not know how many bombs the US had, and they could not stop them.
It was also known that in time, the Allies would invade Japan. It was not a question of IF, but WHEN!.
They also believed they could save a lot of Japanese culture, institutions, systems, and so on by surrendering to the Allies rather than the Soviets.

Remember, there was still a military coup against the Japanese emperor, as there were die-hard Japanese officers and personnel who wanted the war to continue, no matter what.

In other words. I would be extremely surprised if Iran were to surrender or return to the negotiating table on this.
There are not enough external factors to compel them, as was the case with Japan.
 
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It's Israel first, it always was. Which side the Kosher political coin landed on in the last 4 years literally has no impact on this.

I hope all you Americans enjoy dying for Israel, because it's what you are getting, whether you like it or not.
 
Fair enough.
Thank you for being reasonable.

Silence. I keel you
One of my favorite Jeff Dunham clips has become very relevant lately:

I certainly have my criticisms about Israel of course, but I agree with this.

Muslims are going to Muslim at the end of the day. It's literally part of their barbaric religion to conquer. Hell, they're doing it in the West right now, and they are terrorizing people in Europe just for not being goatfuckers.

As far as civilized societies go, Israel is by far the best option in the Middle East. It's not even a question.
This is my take as well. Say what you will about the Jews but at least their thing is censorship and banking, not marrying 9-year olds and burning people alive in cages.
 
Don't you think it's a little silly to say that people in this thread are defending Islam? I don't see that happening. Who here is specifically defending Islam?
I'm not going to get into slapfights with individual users but the attitude of "noooo we can't bomb a country that has hated us for decades, sponsored terrorists that have killed Americans, and openly wants to kill us and usher in global Sharia law because Israel is so much worse" rubs the wrong way.

I 100% understand the argument against getting into a land war in Asia. You will see my tune change if we send regular troops to Iran and I will eat a heaping helping of crow if that happens. However, right now, everyone is sperging about a major war and Israel just because the US bombed three targets - all three being Iranian nuclear sites. It's a risky move, but the idea here is that Iran is totally cornered and does not have the ability to fight a war at the moment. It has zero regional allies, Qatar is literally blockaded right now by every Arab state, and its only option is face down its regional neighbors with US support or stop being assholes. Saudi, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt are all openly sick of Iran's shit.
 
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If we're larping historical ethno-religous conflicts we should run back The Mormon War and snuff retards like you out of our country before we go after people thousands of miles away
Iran hating the US isn't exactly a historical ethno-religious conflict. We fucked them bad in the 70s, that's still in living memory. We also destabilized their entire region a few decades before that by creating Israel and we continue to do so. They have good reasons to hate us. Their problem, though, is they just can't get the fuck over it. Japan also had good reasons to hate us, they got over it quick. Arabs are just too low IQ I think
 
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