2025 Israel vs Iran War

I am so confused by the US gameplan... The US targeted Iran's questionable nuclear enrichment facilities even though there were in compliance of the proliferation treaty. What is the point of these attacks if the US are not going to disable Iran's ballistic missile capabilities? What is stopping them to retailate against Israel with ballistic missiles with lower grade uranian missiles? They probably a good stock pile of that shit.
well, good question. Still, the nuke itself is a heavy symbol, perhaps the US couldnt afford attention on two issues and went after the enriched pile. But yes, chucking nuke fizzle uranium pods is entirely feasible but I think it counts as WMD attack just as well.
 
without the quotes this just makes it look even more like you're a mossad agent than you already do most of the time.
I wouldn’t doubt it. But the posts are quite informative and seeing the pol-tards sperging and seething has been quite entertaining. That being said, @Catch The Rainbow how long do you see this blockade on the strait if enforced lasting before that gets taken out as well? Or is that still hush hush at the moment?
 
The US targeted Iran's questionable nuclear enrichment facilities even though there were in compliance of the proliferation treaty.
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I'm not talking about the uranium. Uranium is important, sure, but the thousands of centrifuges and other nuclear infrastructure is what the goal was. Just the sheer amount of hex I'm sure they had would've been a bitch to move. The goal was never to get the literal, actual uranium, it was to destroy their capacity to make nuclear weapons.
As of mid-May, Iran's total enriched uranium stockpile was estimated at 9,247.6 kilograms -- or more than 45 times the limit set out in the 2015 deal -- according to the latest report by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).
Entire inventory can fit one tank on a truck.
 
I am so confused by the US gameplan... The US targeted Iran's questionable nuclear enrichment facilities even though there were in compliance of the proliferation treaty. What is the point of these attacks if the US are not going to disable Iran's ballistic missile capabilities? What is stopping them to retailate against Israel with ballistic missiles with lower grade uranian missiles? They probably a good stock pile of that shit.
They can't build an actual nuke.
And Israel has already attritioned much of Iran's actual launch platforms.

The other thing is, Israel is proving itself capable of flying into Iran and blowing up Iranian (medium range) ballistic missiles (that can hit Israel). The US doesn't need to do what Israel can do for itself.
Fordow was different because it was widely believed that ONLY the US had the bomb type that could crack Fordow. Simply put if the US wants to kill Iran's ability to enrich uranium into a nuke then (allegedly) ONLY the US can do it.

The big issue in my opinion though is that Israel has been targeting the TELs to launch medium-range ballistic missiles at Israel, less so the smaller TELs to launch short-range ballistic missiles at US bases and other partner oil infrastructure in the region.
 
That's very deceptive title.
It isn't doe
(e) Regretting that despite the above resolutions by the Board and numerous opportunities provided by the Director General since 2019, Iran has failed to provide the co-operation required under its Safeguards Agreement, impeding Agency verification activities, sanitizing locations, and repeatedly failing to provide the Agency with technically credible explanations for the presence of uranium particles of anthropogenic origin at several undeclared locations in Iran or information on the current location(s) of nuclear material and/or of contaminated equipment, instead stating, inconsistent with the Agency’s findings, that it has declared all nuclear material and activities required under its Safeguards Agreement,

(f) Noting the Director General’s conclusion contained in GOV/2025/25 that Iran did not declare nuclear material and nuclear-related activities at three undeclared locations in Iran, specifically, Lavisan-Shian, Varamin, and Turquzabad, and that, because of the lack of technically credible answers by Iran, the Agency is not in a position to determine whether the nuclear material at these undeclared locations in Iran has been consumed, mixed with other declared material, or is still outside of Safeguards,

blah blah blah a bunch more examples of Iran refusing to provide satisfactory access and answers

3. Finds that Iran’s many failures to uphold its obligations since 2019 to provide the Agency with full and timely cooperation regarding undeclared nuclear material and activities at multiple undeclared locations in Iran, as detailed in GOV/2025/25 constitutes non-compliance with its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with the Agency in the context of Article XII.C of the Agency’s Statute;
Non-compliance with the Safeguards Agreement is non-compliance with the NPT
 

Benjamin Netanyahu vs. Qassem Soleimani

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In Israel, where everyone has had to become an Iran expert, a video clip has been making the rounds. It’s from a 2021 speech by Gholam Ali Rashid, commander of Iran’s joint military headquarters, whom Israel killed in early strikes on June 13.
Three months before the 2020 U.S. killing of Qassem Soleimani, Rashid recounts, the legendary Quds Force commander laid out his life’s work. “I have assembled for you six armies outside Iran and I have created a corridor 1,500 kilometers long and 1,000 kilometers wide, all the way to the shores of the Mediterranean,” Soleimani told Iran’s army chiefs. “Any enemy that decides to fight against the Islamic Revolution, and against the sacred regime of the Islamic Republic of Iran, will have to go through these six armies. It won’t be able to do so.”
Yet Israel did. Rather than circumvent Soleimani’s strategy, Jerusalem has fought Tehran on its own terms. Of Soleimani’s six armies, only the Houthis and Iraq’s Popular Mobilization Units have escaped. After the Oct. 7 massacre, Israel fought through Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah, wiping out their leadership and slicing up their missile arsenals, leaving the Assad regime in Syria to crumble without support.
Suddenly, Iran didn’t look so menacing. Israel could focus on the state and nuclear program seeking its destruction without worrying about thousands of rockets a day from Iran’s proxies. Then President Trump could enter to remove all doubt.
Since the Iranian regime found itself alone under Israeli assault, it has been in shock and denial, says Sharona Mazalian Levi, a researcher at Tel Aviv University’s Alliance Center for Iranian Studies. “The regime got so used to lying to the people, it came to believe its own propaganda,” she says. Israel was on the road to collapse. Iran could never be seriously challenged. Right up until the U.S. strikes, Iran claimed to be running up the score.
In reality, Israel, the size of New Jersey, was devastating Iran’s nuclear program, ballistic-missile program and military chain of command. Tehran’s civilians follow Israeli evacuation orders. Iran, twice the size of Texas with nine times Israel’s population, doesn’t even try to take on the Israel Defense Forces. Its dwindling salvos target civilians. The June 15 strike on the Weizmann Institute’s cancer-research facility is the world’s loss, but how does it bring Iran any closer to victory?
“The missile math now is very much in Israel’s favor,” says Gen. David Petraeus, the former U.S. Centcom commander, in a Wednesday interview. Unlike Russia or Ukraine, the Israelis also have air supremacy. “They can do anything they want, just about.”
That means Israel can also destroy any future Iranian start toward resuming nuclear enrichment. “This whole idea that this just sets ’em back a couple of years—I think that’s nonsensical,” Mr. Petraeus says. The nuclear program “will not only be destroyed now, and all of it, but Israel won’t allow it to happen again.” This puts the U.S. “in an enormous position of leverage.”
Blind to the moment’s significance, former President Bill Clinton argued on Tuesday that “Mr. Netanyahu has long wanted to fight Iran because that way he can stay in office forever.” The truth may be closer to the opposite: Benjamin Netanyahu has been driven to gain and keep power to stave off Iran’s nuclear ambitions. When I interviewed him for these pages in December, he was convinced that history would judge him on this question above all.
Mr. Netanyahu was among the earliest to identify the threat of a nuclear Iran and proliferation to its terror network. But after first becoming prime minister in 1996, he said in December, “the establishment fought me all the way” on Iran. The left viewed it as a deflection from a two-state solution, and “the military fought me the most.”
In time, as Iran’s nuclear program and forever war on Israel advanced, Mr. Netanyahu won the domestic Israeli argument—so much so that the opposition came to criticize him as not hawkish enough. By various means of sabotage, Israel was able to delay Iran’s nuclear program by a decade, but Iran soldiered on. Many thought it was too late to stop Iran.
But the Oct. 7 attack, and Hezbollah’s decision to join on Oct. 8, put Soleimani’s layers of defense at risk. They also weakened the resistance among Israel’s military and intelligence establishment to striking the nuclear program, especially after Iran entered the fight directly.
The timeline of Israel’s planning, much of which hasn’t been reported previously, is instructive. On June 4, 2024, following Iran’s April ballistic-missile attack on Israel, Mr. Netanyahu told his ministers it was their government’s responsibility to prevent a nuclear Iran. “The threat needs to be removed on this watch,” he said, according to a senior official in the room. The wars against proxies had other aims, but Mr. Netanyahu deemed this one overriding.
“We can’t leave it for the next generation,” he said in another closed meeting, “because there may not be a next generation.” On Nov. 18, a month after Iran’s second ballistic-missile strike on Israel, Mr. Netanyahu issued a directive to the IDF and Mossad to prepare to remove the Iranian nuclear threat by April 2025. But when the time came, Mr. Trump demurred, wanting talks.
As they dragged on in May, a former senior Israeli official who worked with Mr. Netanyahu for years told me something was off with the prime minister. “He seems to have convinced himself that everything will come together perfectly”—that Hezbollah’s defeat and Mr. Trump’s election would lead to an attack on Iran’s nuclear program, which would then clear the way for a Saudi peace deal. “The Bibi I knew was always the most skeptical in the room,” the former official said.
But the talks set Mr. Trump’s 60-day deadline, which everyone was prepared to forget until Mr. Netanyahu decided to enforce it. A senior Israeli official says the IDF and Mossad had thought June or October would be ideal timing for a strike.
On June 13, Mr. Netanyahu took his attack plan to the cabinet, which for once made his life easy and approved it unanimously. Mr. Trump, unlike his predecessors, didn’t give Israel a red light. He followed up this Saturday night, in prime time.
Soleimani was mostly right in his vision. But he couldn’t imagine that Israel would fight through Iran’s proxies and withstand slaughter, extortion, tunnels, rockets and internal displacements, along with pressures and calumnies international and domestic, and emerge with enough in the tank, U.S. backing intact, and Mr. Netanyahu still in the driver’s seat. Now, Israel’s prime minister can realize a vision of his own—and fulfil his historical responsibility.
 
I think people seems more upset about realpolitik being used by the us. A piece like fandrow was always going to be taken out if the conditions were present. It really doesn’t matter about hemming and hawing about actions like this. I’m being realistic that it was going to be taken out no matter who is in charge,
Well you don't advocate diplomacy and negotiations and then blow up entire iranian party when they show up.
Twice
It's vile and scummy and US/Israel wiped out their entire reputation with such act.
 
It's vile and scummy and US/Israel wiped out their entire reputation with such act.
and yet in this UN meeting the only ones hemming and hawwing about it are Russia and China (the norm among the security council) while the other members are all calling on Iran to stand down.

Sounds like our reputation is about the same as usual.
 
Fordow was different because it was widely believed that ONLY the US had the bomb type that could crack Fordow. Simply put if the US wants to kill Iran's ability to enrich uranium into a nuke then (allegedly) ONLY the US can do it.
When you're so good at blowing shit up that your citizens actually grow reluctant to blow shit up.
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Netanyahu: We have "interesting" information about where Iran's 60% enriched uranium is stored

The International Atomic Energy Agency announced in a statement on Sunday that the entrances to the tunnels of the Isfahan nuclear complex were hit in last night's US attacks.
 
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