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To be entirely fair, Iran is ran by muslims, and muslims have an existential beef with literally everyone. Israel is a justification, not the reason they do retarded shit.
This is a really bad oversimplification of the region and it's how you lose to Muslims. Muslims are, to quote the Simpsons, a contentious people. Their biggest enemies are other Muslims. Europe/The West has tried to fight 'Islam in general' and has never succeeded in the grand scheme of things because it's the one thing that gets them all to unite. Lepanto, for example, was a temporary reprieve that ended with the Ottomans just rebuilding their navy within a couple months and taking Cyprus. This is why the whole clash of civilizations framework is retarded. Every devastating victory over the Islamic world was won by allying with certain Muslim factions and dividing the Islamic world against itself. The Ottomans were finally dealt a deathblow by allying with the Arabs against them. The Abbasids were counterbalanced by the Shia Fatimids and recently invading Turks, which weakened the Islamic world enough for the Crusaders to establish a foothold in between their constantly quarrelling states. During the Fifth Crusade, the Crusaders actually allied with the Turkic Sultanate of Rum against the Ayyubids because their interests aligned.

Iran's genuine motivation is over Israel. It guides all of their terrorism, which is laser-focused on Israel. They don't hate Israel because they are Jews, and they don't hate Americans because they are Christian, and Israel doesn't hate Iran because they are Muslim, or Shia Muslim. They both hate each other because they see the establishment of the state of Israel as bone of contention that can't be resolved. The Saudis hate Iran because of their religion much more than the Israelis do. If you ignore that you ignore the levers that can move various people in the region, and you destroy your ability to manipulate them in your favor.
He said regime change is on the table if Iran doesn't follow our terms. Trump is a fan of big stick diplomacy and Iran is getting the stick until they give Trump what he wants.
The whole 'big stick' quote was 'speak softly and carry a big stick'. Not 'walk around like a lunatic beating people to death with a big stick and scream at them to do what you want or you'll beat them to death, which you are already doing'.

This is a retarded way to do diplomacy. Sun Tzu summed the concept up ages ago, he called it 'death ground', which is not just an actual place on the battleground but a psychological state of 'I've got nothing to lose'. If you put your enemy here as a general, you've failed, because they will dig their heels in and fight like hell, costing you unnecessary men and resources to progress. This is why the Mongols (most famously, but others as well) often left an intentional gap in their formations for enemies to escape through when they were facing down a crushing defeat. The enemy would think they had found an opening, break ranks, pour through, and run like mad only to be cut down in a panic.

The Iranians saw what happened to Gaddafi when he tried to bend the knee. They were just hit by Israel in the middle of negotiations. Why would they accept Trump's terms? What are the options that they are being given? 'Surrender, defang yourself, and become a vassal state or be bombed?' That's what Hitler offered to England in WW2, and it just pissed them off and hardened their resolve against him. When you put someone on death ground, they never surrender because they have nothing to gain by doing so. They just dig in and fight harder. The only example I can recall of this working is Japan in WWII, and that was because we had a one-of-a-kind weapon that completely upended the balance of war globally.

To tie both posts together, the Iranian regime should never be destroyed because they are a counterbalance in the region against Saudi and Turk interests. But that's basically what this course of action will accomplish - something that is in Israel's interest, not the interest of the West or America. If Iran is out of the picture what you will have is a power vacuum and a struggle between the Saudis and Turkey to reconstitute either the Caliphate or the Sultanate. With just two major players, it's a lot easier for one to lose and for the balance of power to be upset.
 
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>Isolate Trump, make him the pro-AIPAC Shill-for-Israel guy.

>America first AND Democrats unite against him.

>Use the MSM's visceral hatred of Trump to spread anti-AIPAC sentiment.

Is that just ex-post-facto reasoning?
Could such a thing be planned in advance?
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>Trump shits his pants in public and sets any and all non-globohomo thought back centuries
>"Masterful gambit Mr. Trump!"
 
If you hear someone say "joooz" or anything similar, you can just not respond to them. It is literally only ever Jews arguing in bad faith who do that. They're telling you that they're not going to hear you out.
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But I'm sure the next 20,000 comments shitting up this thread with the same repetitive a-logging the Jews nonfuckingstop posts will finally bring down ZOG!

Now I know why Hitler killed himself. (He was reading this thread. ❤️)
because they invariably start rattling off some crazy shit about how they can rape little kids because theyre chosen it doesnt matter if the aoc in the talmud is 3 or that they suck baby cock! it doesnt matter!
You forgot your badge, king:
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Every group on the planet exhibits tribal in-group bias except white Europeans, and that's only because it has mostly been conditioned out of us.

If you want to test this out, talk shit about India on X and watch how fast your account gets suspended.
The extraordinary claim is that this does not happen. Only white people seem to have trouble grasping it.

The Jews are kind of a unique phenomenon, however, in that they have lived as a diaspora for millennia and are expert at it. And also that they hate our guts on a civilizational level. Maybe they don't control as much as some people say, but they do control an awful lot.

"Zomg stop talking about the JOOZ, ur obsessed with the JOOZ" is annoying as fuck.
Opening this thread to read about US POLITICS :hulk: and finding 50 pages of Jew sperging is annoying as fuck.

Seeing the 57,556th Baby's First Antisemitism post by people who think they've stumbled on to an amazing secret revelation (HEY GUYS, DID YOU KNOW THAT JEWS.... SUCK? :wow:) none of us have heard before is annoying as fuck.

You leave me with no choice.
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Or we can vote for an experienced statesman who belongs to the party that is quickly growing to oppose Isreal. Newsom will not let Isreal off easily.
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The whole 'big stick' quote was 'speak softly and carry a big stick'. Not 'walk around like a lunatic beating people to death with a big stick and scream at them to do what you want or you'll beat them to death, which you are already doing'.
The big stick is useless if people don't believe you will use it. Trump has shown he is able and willing to swing it.
 
>Trump shits his pants in public and sets any and all non-globohomo thought back centuries
Trump shitting his pants carries that much influence?
The big stick is useless if people don't believe you will use it. Trump has shown he is able and willing to swing it.
There is nothing wrong with carrying a big stick but Trump has shown that he is only willing to use it in favor of Israel. When Roosevelt swung the stick around it was in favor of America and made it clear to Europeans where Americas sphere of influence begins. Trump has not swung the stick to keep Chinese fishing fleets out of South America or destroy both the coke and opium networks. He has swung the stick in service of some country that we shouldn't care so much about that demonstrates servility not strength.
 
So when do the infinity jeets and spics start getting deported? I’m tired of pretending Trump gets a free pass for failing to keep his promises because the Democrats are blocking him.
Nigger there's been riots for the past week over him upping deportations, where the fuck have you been? The Bald and The Jew have also closed off visas from the jeet menace and are trying to increase it even more. The fucking military has been deployed to help secure deportations. The problem is actually being worked on but god forbid the administration doesn't have random gangbangers being executed on the street for CNN to broadcast.

The isreal shit is disappointing, but he's both A: a boomer, and B: still doing the all the other good shit.

I didn't get the eradication of china like I wanted, so none of you get the death of israel until beijing is nuked first. These are my demands.
 
lol of course they are.

This past Winter, it was the Ukraine flag. This past Spring, it was the Palestine flag. Now it's the Mexico flag, and soon to be the Iran flag. They continue to support the Current Thing (tm).

These lefties haven't been waving that rainbow flag this year though. It's never been more #Joever for Pride Month than it is now. :story:
Hear me out, what if all of these is just a plot to steal the thunder from faggot worship month again? Also the hilarity of leftists supporting a country that forces gay men to trans out.

The big stick is useless if people don't believe you will use it. Trump has shown he is able and willing to swing it.
We just spent four years with a mental invalid in charge, so the world has to be reminded we have a stick to swing. That it was against the country that's been fucking with us for four decades is nice. I guess people forget about Beirut, like they forget about the Iranian weapons killing people in Iraq.
 
Reading more about Trump's comments about a regime change. I dunno ... Sounds like the media is getting people worked up. Again.

So Trump asked (rhetorically, according to the media), "Why wouldn't there be a regime change?" That is a far cry from him making formal comments about such a thing.

Anyway, you can criticize Trump for the airstrikes while simultaneously acknowledging the fact that the Ayatollah fucked around and found out when he recently said "Death to America."

My take on the airstrikes is this: I don't think that it's a formal declaration of war, nor do I think it's going to start any war. That said, I don't want this to be an escalating situation, obviously.

EDIT: Also, this isn't a "broken promise" from Trump. He's been very consistent about his stance on Iran for decades now. Disagree with his stances? Sure. But if you think it's a broken campaign promise, then you didn't do enough research before you voted.
 
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It's one day after Trump joined an Israeli war. If you didn't want to read about Jews in the politics thread and you're still here today of all days, you're an idiot.
And he openly said he did it because Bibi asked him to in the press conference and his spokeswoman gave an absolutely embarrassing interview where she fellated Israel left and right. There has never been a more apt time for Jew sperging, this is not coming out of nowhere.
 
Did everyone forget in Trump's last term where he just openly assassinated an Iranian general with a drone strike in Iran and they launched missiles at an American base? Nothing happened then. Nothing will happen now.
This thread is acting as a retard magnet for groypers, shitlibs, doomers and other assorted faggots now.
 
Did everyone forget in Trump's last term where he just openly assassinated an Iranian general with a drone strike in Iran and they launched missiles at an American base? Nothing happened then. Nothing will happen now.
Shhh, let them pretend that something ever happens. Their innocence is refreshing.
 
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