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There’s an absolutely massive Israeli bot/shill campaign on Twitter and Reddit that started last night. They’re trying to convince Americans that everyone else wants to go to war with Iran.

Every conservative influencer’s replies are full of short generic pro-war comments that don’t reference anything in the original tweet like human tweets do. The accounts almost always have either a cross, American flag, or MAGA in their bio/name. They will also attack any normie who disagrees with them by calling them a bot, pointing out their small number of followers for their account age; the bot accounts typically have a few thousand followers whereas most normies have a few hundred at most because they’re not trying to gain them
This isn't surprising. Bot farms have been astroturfing to influence public perception for quite some time whether its one's opinion on Star Wars Rebels or convincing people Trump is an mean orange warmonger this weekend.

It's sad to see social media become so bot-infested that spam email now seems less annoying.

I'd actually appreciate an explanation of this, too.
I believe it was answered already, but it's short for Trump Always Chickens Out as a meme implying he lacks follow through or changes his mind when it comes to bold moves and announcements. If I recall, it was discussed earlier in this thread that the meme didn't seem to resonate the way it was intended to because "TACO" didn't quite have the desired negative connotations and it didn't sway public opinion on Trump apart from the people who already hate him for existing.

Trump's always acted a bit spergy. He's the content president (I get that from asmongold). But he has the golden touch for real. He can get in the dumps in the public eye for a few weeks, but comes back every time.
As much as Trump's rhetoric can go overboard at times, sometimes to the point it takes away from what he's trying to accomplish, he seems to have a knack for getting stuff done when the odds are against him. If I remember right, the Middle East is part of the word where leaders love to saber rattle because everyone from other parts of the globe freak out over it. Trump has the smarts to know he should saber rattle right back at them and it's going to get him heard and the chance to open up dialogue. It wouldn't surprise me if the bombing between the US and Iran bases was part of the saber rattling with Trump using the backchannels afterwards to say, "Okay, now that that's out of the way and I have your attention, let's talk about ending this now while we have the chance."

Sadly there is a good chance any kind of ceasefire (assuming of course both sides follow along with it) between Israel and Iran will be a temporary one and there will be more bloodshed somewhere down along the line.
Realistically, I expect the ceasefire to eventually be broken or called off because nobody in the Middle East seems to know how to play nice with each other on a long-term basis. However, I like the fact Trump is still trying to make something happen to get Iran and Israel to cease hostilities when all hope and likelihood for negotiations to continue was slim to none a week ago.
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Does this count as something I was vindicated on?
Eh, somehow Trump/Hegseth told even them and a few dems and it wasn't leaked. That's impressive.

Even it was 'leaked' though I don't they could stop B2 attack.
I wouldn't really be advantageous to leak it. Plus Iran was told in advance too so everyone in the backdrop knew of what was going to happen anyway.
I don't think the strikes will continue now but if the IDF shit stirs and continues to fire back then my eyes are going to roll out of my skull.
 
Eh, somehow Trump/Hegseth told even them and a few dems and it wasn't leaked. That's impressive.

Even it was 'leaked' though I don't they could stop B2 attack.
Optimistic. The Houthis almost shot down an F35, and the B2 is a lot bigger and slower. Even the Israelis don’t risk sending their planes inside Iran, so why take the chance.
The reason he couldn’t negotiate with Russia is because he already explicitly said he wouldn’t attack.

The reason he can negotiate with Iran is because he proved he will attack.

It’s just leverage.
This whole pretending that everything Trump does is always a 6D master negotiator move is getting tiresome. Especially after the tariffs.

Like… WHAT LEVERAGE?! He didn’t actually accomplish anything. The Israelis and Iranians are stuck in an unwinnable slug match. They were always going to go for a ceasefire anyways. It’s what people do when there’s no way for either side to win.

You'd think Irani and Israeli citizens would be angry their government for regularly wagering the lives of its citizens for military posturing.
They are. Netanyahu is doing terribly in polls and would lose hugely if there was an election now. As for the Iranians, they voted for the “change” candidate. A president that ran last year on better relations with the West and America.
 
Have you ever once negotiated anything in your life? You don't sit down with your boss and say "Listen pal, I want a raise. If you say no, I will continue to obediently do my job and you will face no repercussions."
That's why before asking for a raise, I make sure to break both of his kneecaps and show him a video of me fucking his wife. Got to start off negations on the best foot.
 
Having read some interviews with former Israeli defense officials It looks as though they had likely gone through their initial hit list of military targets and have moved over to secondary targets.

Hiting prisons and Basij buildings shows some intention to wind shit down and to cause maximum instability for Iran while doing so.

Now there is just the 400tons of 60% enriched Uranium to account for. The hunt for those is on and this whole war will reignite as soon as it is found.
 
WTF IS WRONG WITH TRUMP?!?

Like, I don’t disagree here, but in a day or two he literally went from Warhawk, salivating over “Our mighty B2s” and “MIGA! REGIME CHANGE!” To sounding like a hippie talking about peace, love and righteousness.

Like… WUT?!

Now I know Trump has always been a bit of a shitposter who swings from one position to another, but this seems a bit excessive.

Did Vance slip him some MDMA or adjust his mood stabilizers or so
Does this mean that everyone in this thread should wear the burger suit?
 
Trump has claimed russia and ukraine were close to peace like 300 times, so I don't take his proclamation of peace with iran very seriously.
Ukraine is suffering from sunk cost fallacy. Too many have died, too much land has been lost to quit now. Iran doesn't have much to gain or lose by prolonging this war.
 
How the fuck did modern warfare get so polite?
Politeness helps prevent atrocities.

Can you imagine in Trump went LOL YOLO! on Iran?

We're talking full bore old school. Break the civilian's will to support their government. Break their military's will to fight by shell shocking and killing them. Break their government till their populace is ready to hang them themselves.

School? That's a place that can be used to form up troops. TOMAHAWK! Water purification area? Thristy people don't like to fight. TOMAHAWK! Electrical? Well, fuck those drones and enjoy being in the dark and cold, faggots! TOMAHAWK! Hospital? Well, those can be use to treat enemy soldiers! MOAB! FUCK YOU AND EVERYTHING AROUND YOU! Church? That can be used as a supply distribution point as well as propaganda. VX! EAT SHIT! STreets? Cratering charges and dispersed bomblets. Airports? Nice terminal. MOAB! Cratering charges! Tomahawks! Apartment building? Well, fuck you, you can't get drafted now! COPPERHEAD AND VX!

Take a good look at Gaza, and then picture the US military being ENTIRELY unleashed on some country like Iran for... oh... 72 hours.

Their fucking grandchildren would have PTSD.
 
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