2025 Israel vs Iran War

Ghostse said:
it could just be shoveled out and back to operation in a short period of time
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Possible. Recent sattelite imagery shows that Iranians had trucked in dump trucks of sand to fill entrances before the strike. This likely is what is leading to the DIA report. US military intelligence is intentionally trained to be pessimistic, and the pessimistic response is to extrapolate those sand trucks to mean that the entire facility was filled with sand, therefore significantly dampening the effects of the attacks.
Dawdler said:
Why wouldn't he be?
The people alive are people israel wants to stay alive
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I keep waiting for you to say something that is not a schizophrenic mess. I will continue waiting.
 
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Pedophobe said:
People keep saying the Arrow missile defense system failed but Iran lobbed 400ish missiles at Israel and killed 40ish people. That's a pretty impressive result for Israel.
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It's people being retarded. The system is fine. Objectively it is highly effective. It is very reminiscent of the time in 2006 where a Challenger 2 took an RPG-29 to the belly in an ambush and the driver lost his big toe, and the mother of the driver screeched and demanded an inquiry because she was assured the Challenger 2 was literally impenetrable and her son would never be in danger.
 
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Pedophobe said:
People keep saying the Arrow missile defense system failed but Iran lobbed 400ish missiles at Israel and killed 40ish people. That's a pretty impressive result for Israel.
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Thanks to bunkers and early warning. It did do quite a bit of damage tho. Both side lie about damages so who knows what's real.

DumbDude43 said:
either israeli missile defense is genius or iranian missiles suck balls
probably a bit of both
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Iranian missiles are as good as they can get. Maybe anti radar coatings and electronic countermeasures can be added but that's about it. REV with it's own rocket booster is pretty sci-fi.
Once they get launched they are pretty reliable as well. More than the THAAD or whatever US has that misfired spectacularly blowing up its own launcher.
 
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Dawdler said:
Thanks to bunkers and early warning.
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Yeah I should have said that was critically important too. I wonder how many countries have that kind of capability? It's not sexy but it saves a lot of lives.

Someone in the last hundred pages said their friend in Iran didn't even know what an air raid siren was.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
People think 80 percent interception rate is bad somehow
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People deal in absolutes when they want to dunk on others politically

Israel blocks the overwhelming majority of missiles fired at it "oh look it's not perfect so now we know they're weak and vulnerable" even though it was always known the system wasn't 100% impenetrable

Trump Authorizes one bombing run for the US military "oh look it's a forever war trump is bush 2.0" even though we've always known he's never considered all military action off the table.

(and for the record this does go both ways politically it's just become the standard in political discourse nowadays, take what they say, inflate it to an unrealistic standard that not even they were setting, and hedge criticism in a failure to meet that newly invented standard)
 
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WSJ - Almost immediately after the American B-2 strikes, Trump called Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and told him it was time to end the war, a senior administration official said. Trump’s message: The U.S. had completed its military mission and would cease offensive operations and Israel needed to do the same...
WSJ - During the conflict, Israeli cities sustained several hits from Iranian ballistic missiles, and Iranian military targets were subjected to widespread bombing. Neither side wanted the war to go on much longer, at least at that intensity, and both were eager for a way out that they could portray as a victory.
WSJ — Iran had been exchanging separate messages with Washington via Arab intermediaries for days.
 
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Dawdler said:
It did do quite a bit of damage tho
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The stunning damage done to Israel consisted of shutting down the refinery in Haifa for 30 days, if the Israeli Energy Minister's estimate of when it will be up and running again is accurate (about 3 weeks left). Hundreds of missiles to shut down one economically important site for a month. No meaningful military or economic damage done to anything else. Keep coping
 
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Dawdler said:
Thanks to bunkers and early warning. It did do quite a bit of damage tho. Both side lie about damages so who knows what's real.
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How are you so confidently retarded? Genuine question.
Dawdler said:
Iranian missiles are as good as they can get.
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What? The vast majority of them are SCUD derivatives.
Dawdler said:
US has that misfired spectacularly blowing up its own launcher.
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This didn't happen. Why are you so aggressively retarded?
Froggy Fresh Sextape said:
Iran didn't use many of their advanced missiles. One Kheibar and a handful of Fattahs.

Probably a combination of sanctions reducing their ability to manufacture them plus Israel blowing up those stockpiles first.
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Their newest missiles are pretty low rate production mainly due to the sanctions limiting their ability to secure chips for the guidance systems. Additionally, they rely on Iran's largest TELs to fire, which are 16x16 trucks, and prime targets for Israel.
 
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Catch The Rainbow said:
People think 80 percent interception rate is bad somehow
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I do not believe for a second anything Israel says about its iron dome interception rates and similar stuff. I think they keep a tight grip on information and an internal code of not sharing videos of damage widely.
I seem to see a lot more videos from the Iranian/other side of damage and missile hits (maybe I'm wrong and feel free to correct me on it). Israel always seems to push out a PR angle that they are unscathed and unharmed for the most part but I really don't believe it.
 
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neger psykolog said:
I do not believe for a second anything Israel says about its iron dome interception rates and similar stuff. I think they keep a tight grip on information and an internal code of not sharing videos of damage widely.
I seem to see a lot more videos from the Iranian/other side of damage and missile hits (maybe I'm wrong and feel free to correct me on it). Israel always seems to push out a PR angle that they are unscathed and unharmed for the most part but I really don't believe it.
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You can just look up reports of interceptions, there's tons of videos of it. The reason Iran has more damage is because Israel took out all their AA and they were reduced to firing flak at F35s
 
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