UK British News Megathread - aka CWCissey's news thread

Made In Wales · Jun 25, 2025

Kier Starmer said:
The only thing I will say is we are in very strange times and a clown world timeline. I will say if a GE were to be called, I would not be surprised. This government is the most inexperienced government in decades, if not a century. They are all out of their depth and ideologues with not a single finger on the pulse. I have seen numerous comments from the newer backbenchers, and they seem astounded by how incompetent the cabinet is.

As for Keir, he is done. He should see this as a clear message to go because his party has no faith in him whatsoever. If you apply the 128 signatures, he does not even have a majority anymore. The stuff about Number 10 being a clusterfuck sounds about right; stories of constant fighting and comers and goers. Hermer is said to be everywhere in Number 10. None of the departments communicates with each other, and it seems like a messy house (figuratively speaking).

Also, Ange said the vote is happening on Tuesday; he has 2 days to negotiate with rebels who "don't care if they lose the whip." My dude, if these rebels are willing to kill your majority in one fell swoop, then this is a VONC.

Very well said, and the Labour MP's only know that things can only get worse (instead of better).

Losing 150+ MP's would be political suicide, but it is possible.

What some people IMO aren't taking into account is that previous Governments didn't falter anywhere as quickly as this one has because they at least had some form of unity and didn't directly fuck the electorate off as openly and blatantly.

This sorry lot have been quite open and condescending about the poor, the elderly, the vulnerable and would rather defend Cardiff Choir Boys and Pajeet Paedos than the good people who make the UK a great place to be - even Blair didn't openly shit on those who voted him in to power on three occasions (the first two by landslides, the third being more testing due to the Iraq war) and Thatcher believed in free markets and free trade in order to keep tax at a sensible level.

There's also a bombshell coming for Labour in October - an alleged £66 BILLION black hole in the economy, which is a result of Rachel from Accounts being Nick Leeson with tits.

These are far from normal times and the war distract isn't working - I asked a few people today if they're worried and none of them are.

Some of these rebels fear losing face with people (the woke ones) more so than they do losing their jobs, therefore next Tuesday IMO is hopefully the beginning of the end.

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Kofi Drinka said:
The tories tried the same thing and it collapsed their party. If your party looks weak and can't cement it's own authority it can hold onto government control but loses it's ability to function. Look at how many PMs the conservatives jumped through before ending up with a cabbage, a limp wristed paki and now a gorilla. And what good did it do? They held onto big P power but lost all the meaningful power and once voted out they collapsed into nothing.

Sure, but the Tories had a thing that Labour doesn't: Old people. The Tories timed their election when they did, because if they left it later a large portion of the people that they rely on to vote for them may actually have literally died. They also had the internal structures to more easily compel an election; along with a complete lack of ideology beyond being Victorian era workhouse owners trying to squeeze a poor person of all their cash. Labour are ideologically motivated, and the ones that aren't are purestrain sociopaths.

They are going to cling to government like a barnacle to a rock until the very last second that they legally are allowed to; and there isn't a fucking thing you, or I, or anyone else in this country can do about it that doesn't start with you opening the US Army guide to improvised munitions. You have no recourse, there is no way of forcing it. This is no political ombudsman, or a court where you can make them do anything. Democracy is power devolved, and we have devolved our power to the point where it may as well be worthless.

EDIT: This is an issue of people being disconnected from what they are even talking about; an election is the government deciding to end itself. Does anyone genuinely think that our government is A) The sort of government that gives a single solitary fuck about what the people it governs thinks and B) Is wiling to shrug and admit they were wrong?

We had an RAF base break in and the government is literally going "LALALALALA FUCK YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU'RE JUST BEING SEXIST!" despite the fact that someone could have walked off with handfuls of rifles if they so pleased. A German man once said that hope is cowardly as it ignores reality, and despite not particularly liking Germans; I am compelled to agree. We have a police state, it's not going away until at least 2029. Get used to it, and learn to live under it, or go do something criminal if you think it'd make a difference.

Made In Wales · Jun 25, 2025

Zoot said:
Perhaps I am. Came across as evasive to me. But I haven't seen the longer clips so there might be a reason why in the fuller context, if i'm being fair.

Nigel knows that the MSM will spin the story, on command of the Government, therefore not answering the question means that they have little to spin.

He's being very coy, not a bad move.

Otterly · Jun 25, 2025

A GE would amount to them willingly giving up power. I would like to have one, but these people do not give up power

Eddie Riggs · Jun 25, 2025

So guys - when will that Enoch Powell resurrection machine be finally made?

Or the Oswald Mosley one, for that matter?

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Eddie Riggs said:
So guys - when will that Enoch Powell resurrection machine be finally made?

Or the Oswald Mosley one, for that matter?

Both men were, bluntly, utterly fucking useless. Mosley suffered a setback and harrumphed, then fucked off to yacht around the world like the out of touch tosser he was; and Powell gave a rousing speech which got people in the streets chanting for him to make a new party; whereupon he demurred and abandoned politics. If we shot forward 100 years, people would probably say the same about Jacob Reese Mogg because the cunt once chatted with Bowden and told him that he thinks what's being done to the UK is awful; but leave out that he also said that taking drastic action would be 'Un-British'.

Eddie Riggs · Jun 25, 2025

Chunky Salsa said:
Both men were, bluntly, utterly fucking useless. Mosley suffered a setback and harrumphed, then fucked off to yacht around the world like the out of touch tosser he was; and Powell gave a rousing speech which got people in the streets chanting for him to make a new party; whereupon he demurred and abandoned politics. If we shot forward 100 years, people would probably say the same about Jacob Reese Mogg because the cunt once chatted with Bowden and told him that he thinks what's being done to the UK is awful; but leave out that he also said that taking drastic action would be 'Un-British'.

Heh - good to know "le heckin' basederino, am i right fellow trads" have equivalents across the ocean. Sobering in a way.

Zoot · Jun 25, 2025

Eddie Riggs said:
Or the Oswald Mosley one, for that matter?

I pray for the return of his avatar everyday.

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Eddie Riggs said:
Heh - good to know "le heckin' basederino, am i right fellow trads" have their own equivalents across the ocean. Sobering in a way.

I think they had the right ideas. Just not enough or not able to follow through. Powell was not one for revolutionary and radical action; and Mosley had much better options than potentially losing everything trying to be be fascist in a world where fascism had been bombed to shit.

Hitler turned a prison stay into a public spectacle and a political career not because he was more ideologically pure, or stronger willed than Mosley - though he probably was considering all the married women Mosley fucked behind his wifes back - but because he really didn't have much of a choice otherwise.

Made In Wales · Jun 25, 2025

Otterly said:
A GE would amount to them willingly giving up power. I would like to have one, but these people do not give up power

True, but Starmer withdrawing the Whip from rebels is something that I can see happening.

He's damned either way - if the vote goes through, there'll be protests and resignations and if it doesn't he faces a potential VONC.

All to save a couple of quid for Ukraine or whichever Current Thing we'll be facing next.

As I've said more than a few times, watch the angry Left as they urgently want a regime change here - Starmer out, Labour out, Good PM who'll do as we command in (whoever that might be).

Whilst @Chunky Salsa is right in that there's nothing I can do directly, I'm part of the 'Far Right' - I mock the opposition, I comment upon their stupidity, I do more than my fair share of Whatiffery and try to look three moves ahead. What I don't do is threaten the lives of MP's (as some on the Far Left are doing and may well sadly do, because it's their way or the highway) or threaten to bring air travel to a halt, derail trains or whatever other crass plans they have in mind.

When we have talk of unity between the useless idiots and the potential for them to 'go rogue' then that I fear is going to do us a lot of damage - could/would they kill Starmer? Yes, of course they would, and they'd feel righteous about doing so.

The question then is who is paying the Far Left to attack 'The Left'...

Anyway, I understand that talk of a GE is contentious here, therefore if and when it's 'happening' I'll post about it over in Happenings. I welcome the opinions of everybody here about if it will or won't happen, but maybe we should move on and not get too bogged down in this.

Que sera sera.

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Made In Wales said:
The question then is who is paying the Far Left to attack 'The Left'...

You don't need to pay them to, all movements have vanguard elements within them. Groups that are more radical than the main body, which adhere to the more pie in the sky ideas of the movement. Someone probably is helping them out from within the less radical left, in the same way that the IRA was helped out by the less radical members of their own movement.

EDIT: I am not advocating for anything; but the approach of non violent mockery is like tossing tomatoes at a hand puppet. The puppet can just get replaced with a new one and the hand carries on doing its thing. To get realistic for a second (boooooo I know), violence historically works and you win, or doesn't and you die. A lot of would be radicals always forget that the second is a far more likely - and often inevitable - option for revolutionary action.

EDIT2: I sound like some blackpilled doomer lunatic, I'm really not. I just highly doubt the utility of non violent passive resistance against a system that wants you to just lie down and die anyway. On the other hand pulling the trigger on actual violent resistance has a very, very high likelihood of getting you in prison at best, dead at worst; and still not working.

Made In Wales · Jun 25, 2025

Chunky Salsa said:
You don't need to pay them to, all movements have vanguard elements within them. Groups that are more radical than the main body, which adhere to the more pie in the sky ideas of the movement. Someone probably is helping them out from within the less radical left, in the same way that the IRA was helped out by the less radical members of their own movement.

EDIT: I am not advocating for anything; but the approach of non violent mockery is like tossing tomatoes at a hand puppet. The puppet can just get replaced with a new one and the hand carries on doing its thing. To get realistic for a second (boooooo I know), violence historically works and you win, or doesn't and you die. A lot of would be radicals always forget that the second is a far more likely - and often inevitable - option for revolutionary action.

EDIT2: I sound like some blackpilled doomer lunatic, I'm really not. I just highly doubt the utility of non violent passive resistance against a system that wants you to just lie down and die anyway. On the other hand pulling the trigger on actual violent resistance has a very, very high likelihood of getting you in prison at best, dead at worst; and still not working.

To me you sound like a decent and normal person, and yes I agree that sometimes the time for talking is done and action has to happen.

You don't have to justify your position here, and despite the fact we may not see eye to eye on everything I always find your posts entertaining and educational.

It's amazing that Kiwi Farms has some genuinely VERY smart and sharp minds resident, and no I'm not just saying that for effect - there's some great people and great discussions here.

My only concern re: violence is when innocent people get caught up in the action, however 'justifiable' it is. I certainly do not back the Far Left's plans of 'destruction at any and all cost' - derailing trains on the three main high speed lines in the UK (East Coast, Great Western and West Coast) or blowing up shopping centres like Bluewater in order to scare people into conformity.

My hope is that the toxic society the Left has created also turns against them and (figuratively) swallows them alive.

I am reluctant to be violent, unless I have no other option.

Kofi Drinka · Jun 25, 2025

Chunky Salsa said:
We had an RAF base break in and the government is literally going "LALALALALA FUCK YOU I CAN'T HEAR YOU YOU'RE JUST BEING SEXIST!" despite the fact that someone could have walked off with handfuls of rifles if they so pleased. A German man once said that hope is cowardly as it ignores reality, and despite not particularly liking Germans; I am compelled to agree. We have a police state, it's not going away until at least 2029. Get used to it, and learn to live under it, or go do something criminal if you think it'd make a difference.

We get it. Nothing ever happens and no government has ever been forced into a general election before. It's all just a dream. The general public have never had a major backlash against a PM calling for war and will never consider why a country is 'preparing for war' with open borders and no attempt to close them.

Chunky Salsa said:
whereupon he demurred and abandoned politics.

He got black listed by everyone around him. His wife got spat on when she went out to higher end places and couldn't understand why telling the truth got them kicked out of the upper class. You can't start a political party and expect to get any where with no money.

Made In Wales said:
threaten to bring air travel to a halt, derail trains or whatever other crass plans they have in mind.

Are they going to stop the last 3 trains that run at all? Or make the planes fall out of the sky more than they already are?

I fall in line with Movie Bob on this. There are no bad tactics, only bad targets. If it would save my people and my homeland I consider it a valid thing to do. I'm not going to drive a van into a crowd because it's not going to make any difference. Jo Cox made no difference and it replaced a cog with another one. Terrorism doesn't have a big enough impact on the status quo to be worth throwing your life away. The Muslims aren't conquering the country because they're ramming vans into people. They're out breeding the natives and abusing the system to build up. Random terrorism doesn't help them and they lose ground every time one happens.

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Kofi Drinka said:
We get it. Nothing ever happens and no government has ever been forced into a general election before. It's all just a dream. The general public have never had a major backlash against a PM calling for war and will never consider why a country is 'preparing for war' with open borders and no attempt to close them.

General elections are forced when there is a mechanism to force it, shit doesn't happen just by magic. What actual mechanism do you think will compel a general election, walk me through the steps that you think will happen to make a general election occur.

teriyakiburns · Jun 25, 2025

They were once men said:
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I'm starting to think aliens are real and they work for the BBC.

Huh, and here I thought Carel Struyken had retired from playing weird aliens.

Chunky Salsa said:
EDIT: This is an issue of people being disconnected from what they are even talking about; an election is the government deciding to end itself. Does anyone genuinely think that our government is A) The sort of government that gives a single solitary fuck about what the people it governs thinks and B) Is wiling to shrug and admit they were wrong?

I'm eyeballing a few threads. The first is the likelihood of Starmer applying his prosecutor brain to party rebels and meting out severe punishments. He's got form for withdrawing the whip from members for small slights already - he did it right after the election, which did keep the sitting PLP in line for a while - but there's a large enough rebel group now that any such threat would be seen as pissing into the wind, and would likely foment an actual vote of no confidence from the threatened MPs if he went ahead with it.

The second is how many Labour MPs are weighing "definitely lose my seat in 29 because of this tosser" vs "maybe lose my seat this/next year if we throw him out". The balance has well tipped for some of them, I think.

Third is that Streeting is definitely, though quietly, canvassing for a leadership challenge, and I believe there's at least one other senior party member making discreet overtures as well. Streeting is the sort who will very likely go to the country to shore up support if he wins, to establish a clear delineation between his administration and Starmer's before. That would push any early GE into next year, but it would make it much more likely.

The challenge to all my optimism on this is that the mechanism Labour uses to begin a leadership challenge is much more complicated than the Tory method of sending the men in grey suits, but it does mean that you can see it coming if you're paying attention.

>IMPLYING · Jun 25, 2025

Clem Fandango said:
Chunky salsa put it best. Look, ya ain't getting one. It's going to be a loooong 4 years if you keep getting your hopes up for a GE every time the govt looks weak or does something stupid/unpopular/retarded. They'll be doing that a lot.

I agree with him, I guess I prefer to approach "not being able to do anything" with indifference as opposed to frustration/moroseness, since being upset that you the individual can't bring forth change alone is like being upset you're not God. Keep a hold of hope but be realistic, but also don't become blackpilled.

Time's the primary obstacle here. Not that we have too little of it but rather we'll have to wait for much more of it to be spent before we see change. We won't get what we want tomorrow, the week after tomorrow nor the month. We're years away yet, even though we recognise the problems in this instant, too many people simply don't, not yet (a handful of people I spoke to this morning weren't even aware of Israel and Iran bombing each other - true story). We need years for the ignorant to become informed, and the tolerant to become the intolerant.

One of the primary reasons to object to an early GE in fact is that the longer Labour hold on (just as the Tories did), the stronger anti-immigrant/anti-Muslim sentiment becomes. Pre-Southport, we might've just stopped boat crossings and trim down the numbers substantially (700k to 2010's 300k might've been enough for some people). But post-Southport and continued ignorance to the issue: banning Niqab and Halal is a common talking point, something that specifically affects Muslims. We now have exact stats on how disproportionately Pakis rape white girls and how the government covered it up and how the media helped them with it (something done to ameliorate growing immigration resentment, somehow? Remember that Starmer ordered it to begin with) and as resentment grows Labour and the Conservatives will be forced to adhere to a new baseline in order to not be discounted outright for anyone sick of immigration at this point, which is pretty much everybody North of London.

Otterly said:
A GE would amount to them willingly giving up power. I would like to have one, but these people do not give up power

They're self-centred and worry for their careers (you need a minimum time in parliament to qualify for the pension after all), so I think for many MPs and early election would be too much of a deterrent to their financial interests rather than politics.

Whilst it might come from me underestimating them collectively, I think power might only be a concern for some (the naïve idealists, egomaniacs, those that actually care). I imagine many having simpler motives tied to money and using the role as a mere stepping stone for other things. This is a problem of course since it's effectively short-termism as seen in the corporate world, but for politics, and carries many of the same flaws relating to short-term gains over long-term ones. For a lot of politicians becoming an MP is just a nice mark on their CV I imagine, before using that experience to springboard elsewhere. A lot of MPs are carrying business degrees into the role with them, so in lieu of experience working in business, there's a lot of inferred experience working as a member of parliament (organisation, administration, balancing budgets, etcetera) that may be more attractive to some employers.

Clem Fandango · Jun 25, 2025

Guys, I want to believe. I probably want a Reform govt more than most in this thread - I'm a Reform hipster: I liked them before they were cool. By which I mean I travelled quite a way to visit their rally in Derby like 4 years ago (celebrity guest speaker, Anne Widdecombe!). For all their flaws, it was truly refreshing at the time to have people giving speeches with lines like "I am white, and I'm not ashamed", and openly disparaging the recent Black lives Matter movement.

I want it to happen, ASAP. I just don't think it will.

Anyway, enough talk. Let's put some stakes on it. If there's a GE before 2029, I'll change my pfp to some equivalent of the Burger Suit thing in the US politics thread.

Anyone who's confident the other way should make a similar bet!

Chunky Salsa · Jun 25, 2025

Clem Fandango said:
Anyone who's confident the other way should make a similar bet!

I will make a Warwick Davis respect thread where I espouse his - short - virtues and change my pfp to him being happy, rather than being sent to a death camp.

Made In Wales · Jun 25, 2025

My last word on Politicians is that they need to realise that THEY are there to serve THE PEOPLE.

Once that bond and contract is broken, then they need to be replaced.

Zoot · Jun 25, 2025

the more I get involved in propagating nationalist ideas the less doompilled I feel.

Politicians will keep lying and cheating and ignoring people. The increase in browns will increase the anger.

The far right needs to keep working on pushing its ideas out on the grassroots level. from irl to online. It might take twenty years, it might take longer, but imo a return to a properly nationalistic attitude is coming back and once that happenst he apparatus of the state returns to us.

We don't need to rely on the current crop, once the public become hardloine on brown people, the we will just take it all over.

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Chunky Salsa

Eddie Riggs

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Zoot

Chunky Salsa

Made In Wales

Chunky Salsa

Made In Wales

Kofi Drinka

It's true. I raped Ken

Chunky Salsa

teriyakiburns

If a cow got the chance, he'd eat you!

>IMPLYING

Clem Fandango

Can you hear me?

Chunky Salsa

Made In Wales

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