Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military

[ToEnsureVerification]

The fundamental problem with green berets is that their role is dependent on local brownoids being able to learn and be courageous which is a very risky thing to bet on.

I've heard this talking point and I don't think it's quite correct. It's something the US forces as a whole came up as an excuse for their failures.

If you heard what people in Afghanistan said about the ANA or the ANP was that it was composed mostly of the village rejects and fuck ups who were kicked out, and the US was able to get them into uniform with money. So the strategy was "Go to a country, destroy their central Government, and then pay the people who are traitors/mafia/drug addicts/chomos to make a mercenary group to make as a local Army (usually with drug money)." Same thing happened with the Contras.

So if you imagine some invading force destroying all US institutions and replacing them with the prison population as the "New US Army/Police", of course you are going to have issues with performance. The problem is the strategy in the forever wars, not the inherent abilities of the population.

The enemies of the US are usually much more sophisticated than what the local propaganda gives them credit despite their technological inferiority. Think of the Vietcong as another example. Sandal rice farmers in black pajamas digging tunnels survived some of the heaviest bombardments known to man, and won the war.

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Seth Harp for some reason changed his PFP on X. I don't know why, tbh. Liked the first one more personally. He looks like he's in pain while smiling.

Also reposting.

Beating toddlers to death, huh... well, I would not be smiling a lot neither if I had to report on this daily.

 

[Großmann]

I seem better marching cohesion in a high school marching band. Seriously, these people were completely and utterly embarrassing. And someone I knew was actually in the parade. Wasn't an embarrassing person.
You think someone at the top of the military would be like okay for 4 weeks? You're going to do nothing but drill, drill, drill, drill, drill practice. So you don't look like a complete fool in front of world leaders. Nope.

The likely reality is that these guys were tagged less than a month out from the parade and maybe had a week’s worth of rehearsals, mainly focused on the logistics of pulling it off and not really the actual drill and ceremony behind the march. The reality is that the US military has deemphasized drill and ceremony a great deal over the last 30 years, mainly due to the focus on GWOT and the training timelines that supported the war. You have a whole generation of people from top to bottom that did not grow up on strict drill and ceremony because of this.

Stewart was just a POG. Not SOF. But he was part of the XVIII Airborne Corps, which was commanded by Kurilla for almost 3 years before commanding. How much child rape did the Fort Bragg higher ups decide to cover up?

To be fair, there was probably no cover up. What’s more likely is that there was either lots of inaction or bureaucratic garbage impeding UCMJ if it was known beforehand. In the wake of Fort Hood, I don’t think anyone’s going to stake their career and retirement on covering up something like that, especially for a supply room Specialist.

Fresh channel from a Green Beret. Apparently they don't have a good mission set and the GB are a dying organization and their job is being taken by JSOC, Rangers and Delta in case of direct action or regular Army or other units for regular teaching of basic soldiering.

Disagree. SF are not losing their jobs, they are being realigned to their original purpose, which is training local nationals to fight against our wartime enemies and gathering intelligence in the enemy’s support area. Direct action was never supposed to be SF’s job, but GWOT changed that because there was no traditional battlefield framework for SF to work within because of the asymmetric warfare we found ourselves in. If SF sticks to their original raison d’etre, they will have nothing to worry about.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

The likely reality is that these guys were tagged less than a month out from the parade and maybe had a week’s worth of rehearsals, mainly focused on the logistics of pulling it off and not really the actual drill and ceremony behind the march. The reality is that the US military has deemphasized drill and ceremony a great deal over the last 30 years, mainly due to the focus on GWOT and the training timelines that supported the war. You have a whole generation of people from top to bottom that did not grow up on strict drill and ceremony because of this.

This is too optimistic. Again, nobody was expecting them to be the Scot's guards or some crazy North Korean style, crazy stunt. Just "Left, Right" steps at the same time and properly blousing their boots, so their uniforms don't look like crap. Even without practice, in an afternoon, any unit should be able to do that. It is extremely worrying that they cannot even manage to march in step with presentable uniforms, and instead shuffled out of step with pants draping over their boots. It shows a culture of either degradation or lack of giving a fuck that's is worrying.

To be fair, there was probably no cover up. What’s more likely is that there was either lots of inaction or bureaucratic garbage impeding UCMJ if it was known beforehand. In the wake of Fort Hood, I don’t think anyone’s going to stake their career and retirement on covering up something like that, especially for a supply room Specialist.

We have seen big cover ups in everything related to Fort Bragg that I wouldn't rule it out.

But the questions as always; is this the result incompetence and lack of giving a fuck or maliciousness? If kids are getting raped left and right "in the hundreds", then at that point it doesn't matter and are both equally bad.

Disagree. SF are not losing their jobs, they are being realigned to their original purpose, which is training local nationals to fight against our wartime enemies and gathering intelligence in the enemy’s support area. Direct action was never supposed to be SF’s job, but GWOT changed that because there was no traditional battlefield framework for SF to work within because of the asymmetric warfare we found ourselves in. If SF sticks to their original raison d’etre, they will have nothing to worry about.

SOF were created in the 50's with the original goal of staying behind, and help to coordinate resistance movements in case of a Red invasion of Europe. A lot has changed since then. What we've seen countries want is tech transfer, and that is usually done by specialists. (i.e. the totally not-Americans who operate HIMARS and Patriot batteries in Ukraine *wink*).

SOF surely may have now some secret tasks we don't know, but seeing the level of performance at the parade, just as a simple indicator, is worrying. In 2025 though, I struggle to see what the benefit is in having dudes specialize in teaching plinking and basic infantry duties to "allied" nations would be. Look how it worked for the ANA and ANP.

 

[JayseeDenton]

I've heard this talking point and I don't think it's quite correct. It's something the US forces as a whole came up as an excuse for their failures.

If you heard what people in Afghanistan said about the ANA or the ANP was that it was composed mostly of the village rejects and fuck ups who were kicked out, and the US was able to get them into uniform with money. So the strategy was "Go to a country, destroy their central Government, and then pay the people who are traitors/mafia/drug addicts/chomos to make a mercenary group to make as a local Army (usually with drug money)." Same thing happened with the Contras.

So if you imagine some invading force destroying all US institutions and replacing them with the prison population as the "New US Army/Police", of course you are going to have issues with performance. The problem is the strategy in the forever wars, not the inherent abilities of the population.

The enemies of the US are usually much more sophisticated than what the local propaganda gives them credit despite their technological inferiority. Think of the Vietcong as another example. Sandal rice farmers in black pajamas digging tunnels survived some of the heaviest bombardments known to man, and won the war.

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Seth Harp for some reason changed his PFP on X. I don't know why, tbh. Liked the first one more personally. He looks like he's in pain while smiling.
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Beating toddlers to death, huh... well, I would not be smiling a lot neither if I had to report on this daily.

In both of those examples, Afghanistan and Vietnam, the failures were not military but political decision making. Whether or not the green berets or frankly any part of the military do their job well has no impact on that.

The sandals/rice farmers beating a technologically superior foe thing has no barring on reality outside of Hollywood by the way. Afghanistan was conquered inside of a month and the US army was explicitly instructed to not take ground in Vietnam so as not to provoke China. What trouble the US did have in Vietnam was due to Russian trained and supplied NVA conventional forces. Hollywood loves the Viet Cong but they preformed very poorly in actual engagements and don't deserve the credit, the NVA does. Your points relate political optics and greater strategic geopolitical goals, not military. If a coach decides to forfeit the game you don't blame the players who were winning.

Had the US treated either of those wars like actual wars, a la WW2 they would have been over very quickly. The issue comes from trying to look nice and friendly while doing it which just isn't what militaries are for.

Anyways to your point: using the GB to train the ANA was a misuse of their purpose, they're designed to train strong willed guerilla fighters who want to fight but simply lack training and gear, this is why they did great in Columbia, Korea, Peru, El Salvador, Niger, Kenya, etc. and also Ukraine owes a ton of its resilience to what the GBs taught them after Crimea. You can't train somebody to have willpower or motivation which was my original point. That's what they keep using GB for which is why their success rate keeps going down.

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

The Operator homosexual fetish is real bros. Link / Archive

"Imagine ur a dirt farmer in Afghanistan and this guy wakes you up in the middle of the night with 4 tube night vision goggles and an hk416 in your mouth"

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More Bobposting

 

[Kheapathic]

The Operator homosexual fetish is real bros.

The media (news and entertainment) ruins people. I get guntube shit on my timeline from time to time on YouTube; and there was one where a dude was like "You don't need to do the magazine flick, gravity works." Comments are filled with "dude thinks he knows more than Baba Yaga" and "Sean Ryan trained Keanu!" Could just be my hatred of normies, but when you start noticing it, you see it everywhere.

 

[JayseeDenton]

The media (news and entertainment) ruins people. I get guntube shit on my timeline from time to time on YouTube; and there was one where a dude was like "You don't need to do the magazine flick, gravity works." Comments are filled with "dude thinks he knows more than Baba Yaga" and "Sean Ryan trained Keanu!" Could just be my hatred of normies, but when you start noticing it, you see it everywhere.

I genuinely think this is why everyone is so disinterested in hobbies. As soon as you start to like a thing, it's only a matter of time before you find the internet community surrounding it and no matter what a thing is the online community surrounding it will make it look like a sperghive.

The brain is naturally trained to avoid actions and interests where most people involved in them turn out fucked in the head or obnoxious. The internet makes it seem like everything is that way.

 

[Kheapathic]

The brain is naturally trained to avoid actions and interests where most people involved in them turn out fucked in the head or obnoxious. The internet makes it seem like everything is that way.

Part of it is also what I see in online gaming communities; and what I have a few terms for, but mainly boils down to casual elitism. What this boils down to, is someone or a group of someones, through trial and experimentation or whatever, they do the math, they run the numbers, and they figured out that x-loadout/y-skills/z-etc are the optimal way to play. What you then get is a nub or someone asking for advice, and instead of any sort of individual thought; they get pointed at the end-game build, when there's a good chance that build isn't viable without specific gear, skills, or anything you may consider early to mid game. Or someone may ask what's a good way to use some weapon; and instead they get berated, because everyone knows the best weapon in Ninja Gaiden 2 is the Blade of the Archfiend/Dual Katanas, why are you asking about how to use the Falcon Claws; okay that's a bad example, because while every serious NG player knows Dual Katanas is the best, they mostly respect people who use other weapons. When Twitch wasn't what it was now and new people were playing Darks Souls all the time; you'd get randoms showing up and ask "Why aren't you using the Dark Knight Halberd?" and other critiques about how this new person isn't playing effectively. You'll also see it in the sped-running community, where they figured out the fastest way to beat a game, but may struggle outside of their very confined preset paths. But I'm sure you get what I'm saying. Once something has been figured out, there is very little room or discussion or experimentation, the meta has been established, and people stick to it with religious zeal... without a single original thought in their fucking head.

Is the magazine flick useful, if you're going for time or an immediate threat, sure, absolutely, out with the old, in with the new; now how many YouTube Operators are finding themselves belonging to the USPSA and competing or deciding to be a one-man death squad. Yeah, that's what I thought.

 

[Junkers 87]

The media (news and entertainment) ruins people. I get guntube shit on my timeline from time to time on YouTube; and there was one where a dude was like "You don't need to do the magazine flick, gravity works." Comments are filled with "dude thinks he knows more than Baba Yaga" and "Sean Ryan trained Keanu!" Could just be my hatred of normies, but when you start noticing it, you see it everywhere.

My favorite is 'the scan.' Someone will plink a target before lowering their weapon, and a bunch of queers in the comments will be like, 'Uoh!? He didn’t do a 180/360-degree tactical scan while compressing his pistol?! How will he identify additional threats if he doesn’t scan???' All of this on a static range with a single target.

 

[Sedan Hussein]

Well, it took me about five days, but I've finished reading the entire thread. To @ToEnsureVerification I know you stated how surprised you were that this thread got traction and that you are just the messenger and nothing more, but I think you are selling yourself short. I was always skeptical of "muh operator badasses." But reading and learning about what vile crocks of shit most of these guys are (especially Delta) has been fascinating.

I used to think the SEALs were overhyped, and it seemed odd that the Navy received a lot of hype and resources for special operations instead of the Army. Knowing all the issues that are going on at Bragg, other army bases, and the command structure as a whole, I'm glad the SEALs were selected. Hopefully they will stop swimming in poop water, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. This isn't the Armed Forces thread, but the transition from Tony Grinston as Sergeant Major of the Army to Mr fitting last name, Weimar, has been night and day on r/army. Grinston was a true soldier's soldier who cared about moldy barracks and soldier suicides, with a V for valor on his Bronze Star. Whether people like it or not, Grinston was effective in his use of social media to circumvent the red tape and assist soldiers. Weimar is a spec ops faggot who has nine bronze stars with no V and two purple hearts. I don't claim to speak for all Soldiers, but by god, Weimar is beyond useless with his gay book and criminal friends.

I'm getting Seth's book come august, I hope he doesn't sperg out too much on twitter and do something stupid, but him writing about the worst of humanity and seeing it everday does no wonders to one's mental health.
Again, thank you for the thread
P.S. This meme always rings true.

 

[Kheapathic]

My favorite is 'the scan.' Someone will plink a target before lowering their weapon, and a bunch of queers in the comments will be like, 'Uoh!? He didn’t do a 180/360-degree tactical scan while compressing his pistol?! How will he identify additional threats if he doesn’t scan???' All of this on a static range with a single target.

I'll admit I fall into specific things; like you see pictures of dudes with guns, and you look to see if the finger is on the trigger or straight, pretty easy to figure out if they're former military or trained by the USA. But for others who make a big deal out of it, man, fuck trigger discipline, if you're not at risk of being shot up and it's a photo/video/whatever, keep your sperging to yourself. And I'll admit I loved the back and forth when the SIGs started firing on their own; so much "You were fingering the trigger" when there were videos of them going off in holsters, hands free. Sometimes you got to stop holding these things as absolutes and realize they're guidelines, or guardrails, not some absolute truth.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

The media (news and entertainment) ruins people. I get guntube shit on my timeline from time to time on YouTube; and there was one where a dude was like "You don't need to do the magazine flick, gravity works." Comments are filled with "dude thinks he knows more than Baba Yaga" and "Sean Ryan trained Keanu!" Could just be my hatred of normies, but when you start noticing it, you see it everywhere.

I remember the fucking Chris Costa bullshit back in the day. You need proper recoil control, C-clap from above! High speed low drag! Tight pants, tighter groupings!

 

[ToEnsureVerification]

Some amazing footage came out recently and I forgot to post it. A lone SEAL there covering a whole chopper only with his body, blocking the gunner's field of fire.

Something interesting that is mentioned and you can clearly see, is how the helicopter works hard to avoid fire (and takes shots) but also the threat of MANPADS is mentioned, which is very interesting. Bob talked about MANPADS too and it and it gets my noggin' joggin'.

So both in Red Wings and Extortion 17, the claim was that an RPG round hit the helos. But it was confirmed that the Taliban had some access to SA-7 MANPADS (I think Bob mentioned North Korean), and it does seem more likely that a chopper would be brought down by a specialized tool than an unguided RPG. And Extortion 17 happened at night. Also consider that shooting down helos with MANPADS was the key tactic used by the Mujahadeen during the Soviet-Afghan war.

Could it have been that Red Wings and Extortion and maybe other choppers were brought down by MANPADS and it covered up because if it's well known, the choppers would be much less likely to be greenlit from going into missions? Just thunk provoking.

Well, it took me about five days, but I've finished reading the entire thread.

Hey, I'm glad you found it informative and fascinating! This thread has been a team collaboration and a lot of people have been super informative since it started. I think it's a topic that the public at large wanted to discuss so it's good we've got so many different views and opinions.

'Uoh!? He didn’t do a 180/360-degree tactical scan while compressing his pistol?! How will he identify additional threats if he doesn’t scan???'

You gotta be on the lookout for those highly dangerous falling acorns. (For those new, the Cop was a former Green Beret)

 

[Dean Pentel]

now how many YouTube Operators are finding themselves belonging to the USPSA and competing or deciding to be a one-man death squad. Yeah, that's what I thought.

Turns out accuracy through volume, seeing some combat 15-20 years ago, or shooting sleeping people whose house you broke into in the middle of the night does not turn out good shooters. I'd say it's almost shocking how very fucking average at best most of these operators are when they're at a match.

I was always skeptical of "muh operator badasses." But reading and learning about what vile crocks of shit most of these guys are (especially Delta) has been fascinating.

I definitely didn't used to be. I bought all the bullshit about how since they're the "tip of the spear" warfighters they must also be morally sound patriots and leaders. It was almost refreshing to find out they're all at least as fucked up as I am. And just like any other group distribution, they're some good dudes (Mike Pannone) and some guys who are fucking dogshit humans but still very good at what they're best known for (Matt Pranka).

I remember the fucking Chris Costa bullshit back in the day. You need proper recoil control, C-clap from above! High speed low drag! Tight pants, tighter groupings!

Remember when he went to Japan and was up on that catwalk with all those guys taking pictures of him? And then we found out he never saw combat and he's basically a huge fucking faggot? Oh yeah, good times.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Well, it took me about five days, but I've finished reading the entire thread. To @ToEnsureVerification I know you stated how surprised you were that this thread got traction and that you are just the messenger and nothing more, but I think you are selling yourself short. I was always skeptical of "muh operator badasses." But reading and learning about what vile crocks of shit most of these guys are (especially Delta) has been fascinating.

I used to think the SEALs were overhyped, and it seemed odd that the Navy received a lot of hype and resources for special operations instead of the Army. Knowing all the issues that are going on at Bragg, other army bases, and the command structure as a whole, I'm glad the SEALs were selected. Hopefully they will stop swimming in poop water, but I'm not exactly holding my breath. This isn't the Armed Forces thread, but the transition from Tony Grinston as Sergeant Major of the Army to Mr fitting last name, Weimar, has been night and day on r/army. Grinston was a true soldier's soldier who cared about moldy barracks and soldier suicides, with a V for valor on his Bronze Star. Whether people like it or not, Grinston was effective in his use of social media to circumvent the red tape and assist soldiers. Weimar is a spec ops faggot who has nine bronze stars with no V and two purple hearts. I don't claim to speak for all Soldiers, but by god, Weimar is beyond useless with his gay book and criminal friends.

I'm getting Seth's book come august, I hope he doesn't sperg out too much on twitter and do something stupid, but him writing about the worst of humanity and seeing it everday does no wonders to one's mental health.
Again, thank you for the thread
P.S. This meme always rings true.

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Now the actual joke should be the artillery man kills 70% of the people doesn't have to see the people he kills has tinnitus from standing way too close to a recoiling gun. going off.
Is chilling in the rear with the beer?

 

[Yet Another Wanker]

Is chilling in the rear with the beer?

Still not as bad as pilots. Dropping bombs on kids and leaving it to infantry to see that fucked up shit for the rest of there lives well they go full on Tom Cruise in the bar. Obviously, uncontroversial statement here all US Troops are faggots now but are SF really the biggest fags in combat arms. I'd argue being 30,000+ feet away from the consequences of your actions makes you a bigger fag than King Leonidas raping a boy Spartan.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

Still not as bad as pilots. Dropping bombs on kids and leaving it to infantry to see that fucked up shit for the rest of there lives well they go full on Tom Cruise in the bar. Obviously, uncontroversial statement here all US Troops are faggots now but are SF really the biggest fags in combat arms. I'd argue being 30,000+ feet away from the consequences of your actions makes you a bigger fag than King Leonidas raping a boy Spartan.

It's not my fault that the infantry of basically the peasants of every single military, why the Knights are the tank commanders and the pilots, but no pilots .
A lot of the time pilots do have to watch people die, because a lot of the laser guided bombs have cameras in them, and they'll literally watching as the flying away as people are vaporized.
Drone pilots are even worse as we can see with the Ukrainian conflict. Literally now close hair support guy would ever shoot someone who is limping away, who is no longer a threat or shoot people surrendering takes a wheel form of sociopathy to do that.

Also, Apache pilots and other close AF support fully do see who they are killing. They get to see outlines of people stop existing. Friend of mine worked in close Air support He had a lot of PTSD from watching people being blown apart with twenty millimeter cannon fire chain gun and 105

Close air support guys and snipers probably have the worst PTSD because most everyone besides special forces doesn't have to watch. people walking along, not aware of them, and then their bodies just disintegrate.

 

[Yet Another Wanker]

It's not my fault that the infantry of basically the peasants of every single military, why the Knights are the tank commanders and the pilots, but no pilots .
A lot of the time pilots do have to watch people die, because a lot of the laser guided bombs have cameras in them, and they'll literally watching as the flying away as people are vaporized.
Drone pilots are even worse as we can see with the Ukrainian conflict. Literally now close hair support guy would ever shoot someone who is limping away, who is no longer a threat or shoot people surrendering takes a wheel form of sociopathy to do that.

Also, Apache pilots and other close AF support fully do see who they are killing. They get to see outlines of people stop existing. Friend of mine worked in close Air support He had a lot of PTSD from watching people being blown apart with twenty millimeter cannon fire chain gun and 105

Close air support guys and snipers probably have the worst PTSD because most everyone besides special forces doesn't have to watch. people walking along, not aware of them, and then their bodies just disintegrate.

Perpetrator PTSD is just God's revenge upon the wicked murderers just like AIDs is God's punishment for sodomites, adulterers and fornicators. Drone pilots forgot about them eating cheese burgers in air conditioned trailers killing people. Those lot deserve the Commando Order.

 

[BruceOfHeem]

It's not my fault that the infantry of basically the peasants of every single military, why the Knights are the tank commanders and the pilots, but no pilots .
A lot of the time pilots do have to watch people die, because a lot of the laser guided bombs have cameras in them, and they'll literally watching as the flying away as people are vaporized.
Drone pilots are even worse as we can see with the Ukrainian conflict. Literally now close hair support guy would ever shoot someone who is limping away, who is no longer a threat or shoot people surrendering takes a wheel form of sociopathy to do that.

Also, Apache pilots and other close AF support fully do see who they are killing. They get to see outlines of people stop existing. Friend of mine worked in close Air support He had a lot of PTSD from watching people being blown apart with twenty millimeter cannon fire chain gun and 105

Close air support guys and snipers probably have the worst PTSD because most everyone besides special forces doesn't have to watch. people walking along, not aware of them, and then their bodies just disintegrate.

Hormones, the Stress level of an environment help block emotional trauma, the amount of tasks that you have to perform just to hit your target in your role probably helps as well, with Drone Operators it's take-Off, travel to Target, identify Target, hit Target & repeat.

 

[Sieg1888]

"Imagine ur a dirt farmer in Afghanistan and this guy wakes you up in the middle of the night with 4 tube night vision goggles and an hk416 in your mouth"

"Imagine you're a Somali Jihadi final boss and you wake up to a squad of seals, so you send them running into the ocean with the sharks rather than face you". Can't even find that video anymore, but it's hilarious imagining these "top tier badasses" running from a single 70IQ Somalian in a hallway with a PKM into the ocean with sharks.