What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[NoReturn]

If a hospital knows you're skeptical towards modern medicine, they're more likely to let you stay stick longer or have you die of any illness you catch, likewise if you're an antivaxxer they'll intentionally infect you or your kid with a virus, all of this to make an example out of you

nurse abuse is a known and documented phenomena and many of them do it for personal ideological reasons

Neat to see we're all on the same page. I was going to bring up the nurse thing, too. Like @Overly Serious said, you don't need a top-down conspiracy for there to be motivations and incentives in place for people to hurt you. Look at things like the whole "white privledge" discussion in healthcare. If you have a nurse who sees her patient as more privledged than she is, she can morally excuse neglecting that patient on the grounds of promoting "equity". No one would need to tell her to do that, it would just be a natural thing to do within that ideology. It's the same as if you had a nurse who wanted to prioritize the care of a family member or someone of the same religion.

 

[Overly Serious]

Neat to see we're all on the same page. I was going to bring up the nurse thing, too. Like @Overly Serious said, you don't need a top-down conspiracy for there to be motivations and incentives in place for people to hurt you. Look at things like the whole "white privledge" discussion in healthcare. If you have a nurse who sees her patient as more privledged than she is, she can morally excuse neglecting that patient on the grounds of promoting "equity". No one would need to tell her to do that, it would just be a natural thing to do within that ideology. It's the same as if you had a nurse who wanted to prioritize the care of a family member or someone of the same religion.

You can add to that the mindset that someone who doesn't agree with their medical opinion is "doing it to themselves" which inherently makes them less worthy of help, independent of any other privileges the person is believed to have.

 

[Otterly]

no healthy child, coming out of the womb, should be picked up by the nurse, taken past their mother and father and put in some other room
all the shit they do to them there aside, stories of children being taken away to get shots and cosmetic surgeries without their parents knowing and even with explicit demands not to do so, are a plenty

I don’t t know what they do over there but even over here they let you hold them.

4F - Fair, fat, female and forty OR fat, forty-ish, flatulent female (both mean abdominal pain

That one is an official teaching aid for gallstones. It’s five fs now . Fertile as well

The buttfuckers that got infected had a new STD every month and took giant amounts of drugs.

And gay men, no? It's prevalence amongst homosexual men suggests a sexually transmitted disease, no?

Genuine questions all - this is the conspiracy thread after all and I'm interested.

Both things can be true.
HIV leads to AIDS unless treated (and even if treated tbh)
The promiscuous gay lifestyle with multiple STDs and drug use fucks your immune system.
HIV is a cause of acquired immune deficiency. The gay lifestyle is very bad for you and leads to very premature (ie decades early) death.
You can have AIDS without HIV.

https://academic.oup.com/jac/article-abstract/37/suppl_B/171/740756?redirectedFrom=PDF&login=false

Nobody really knows what it is. The fact that this exists doesn’t mean HIV infection is not linked to AIDS, it very clearly is.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

I don’t t know what they do over there but even over here they let you hold them.

in some places in the world the child is put straight away in another room, in other places they will give them to the mother but if the mother is too tired or passed out or something to hold them they will never give the child to the father/uncle or aunt/grandparent/any other family member present

 

[Stoneheart]

And gay men, no? It's prevalence amongst homosexual men suggests a sexually transmitted disease, no?

thats also the group that takes all kinds of drugs and is full of STDs. so junkies AND sick.

HIV leads to AIDS unless treated (and even if treated tbh)

There are plenty of people who have HIV but never get AIDS, even without treatment.
Cases of healthy people getting AIDS from HIV are rare.
Statistics on how many people carry the virus without knowning are also rare and look like they have alot of bias.

The promiscuous gay lifestyle with multiple STDs and drug use fucks your immune system.
HIV is a cause of acquired immune deficiency. The gay lifestyle is very bad for you and leads to very premature (ie decades early) death.

HIV acts just like every other opportunistic infection. Thats why the main groups its infects are fags, junkies, starving african children and nigger cooking starch in plastic...

 

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Pornography is a psychological warfare tool. Israel has broadcasted porn over the televisions of countries it wants to capture. Porn also pushes ideas onto people, like encouraging multiculturalism with fetishes like BBC, in line with the Kalergi Plan. It also destabilizes family units. It's been proven that porn addiction leads to cognitive decline, and porn even fetishizes the idea of being submissive and dumb. The owners of Onlyfans and Pornhub are both Jewish. Here are links on more about Israel weaponizing porn:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/middle-east/porn-run-on-seized-tv-channels-say-residents-20020401-gdf5uw.html

https://www.news24.com/porn-the-new-weapon-of-choice-20020330

https://worldcrunch.com/world-affairs/onlyfans-israel-military-war/

https://www.fisheaters.com/jc-pornascontrol.html

Also, some people, including physicists from the 1940s are skeptical that nukes are a real thing. Believers of the nukes=fake conspiracy believe that the nukes on Japan were actually chemical fires. There were no genetic damage done to survivors of it, and vegetation started growing one month later. The last nukes were also used around WW2 time, coincidence?

https://www.abodia.com/t/articles/articles-1/nuclearhoax.htm

https://www.henrymakow.com/2020/07/nuclear-bombs-do-not-exist.html

https://archive.org/details/8d-0de-2/page/n81/mode/2up

I think the "ether", a now "debunked" physics concept, is real, and we just use different words to describe it now. Nikola Tesla believed heavily in the "ether", and so did basically all physicists, prior to Einstein. Einstein plagiarized a lot of his work. And Nazi Germany did not believe in physics based on Jewish findings.

Not even really a conspiracy, just a proven fact, that Israel pays people to spread pro-Israel posts on the internet, called the JIDF (Jewish Internet Defense Force). I think the "Dead Internet Theory" is real and that there's a lot of Israeli bots. Attached is their pdf handbook for social media operatives.

 

[NoReturn]

Pornography is a psychological warfare tool

This is just a known fact that makes people uncomfortable.

I think the "ether", a now "debunked" physics concept, is real, and we just use different words to describe it now. Nikola Tesla believed heavily in the "ether", and so did basically all physicists, prior to Einstein. Einstein plagiarized a lot of his work. And Nazi Germany did not believe in physics based on Jewish findings.

I think the an ether is real, too. I may not know a lot about physics, but sometimes I see discussions about shit like "dark matter" and "dark energy" and I just think "Wouldn't this all make way more sense if there was a medium of some sort?" Even the experiment "debunking" ether is SO DAMN similar to something we did recently where the speed WAS clocked as being different!

Mitchelson-Morley experiment:


LIGO Gravitational Wave Observations


More info:


So:
Experiment 1, done with mirrors - No difference! Ether not real!
Experiment 2, done with much more precise equipment - There is a difference! It's gravity waves what done it!



EDIT: To clarify, something, too. I'm not advocating for ether-wind. I just like the idea that the universe has a "something" that fills the spaces between the known-somethings. I know old aether theory was based on the assumption waves needed a medium to travel in, and dark matter is there to explain why observations don't match predictions, but I struggle to grok why things would be "empty" but other places have matter-that-isn't-matter.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Also, some people, including physicists from the 1940s are skeptical that nukes are a real thing. Believers of the nukes=fake conspiracy believe that the nukes on Japan were actually chemical fires. There were no genetic damage done to survivors of it, and vegetation started growing one month later. The last nukes were also used around WW2 time, coincidence?

When you air burst a nuke, like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's actually a rather clean explosion with little fallout. If you set off a nuke on the ground you kick up a shit ton of radioactive dust aka fallout. This "nukes are fake!" bullshit is on the same level of retardation as fake moon landings, flat earth, and Tartarian mudfloods. I'd post sources but you'll come up with a retarded excuse why they're all fake or be too stupid to read them.

 

[Kaiba Cuqk63]

I think the ether is real, too. I may not know a lot about physics, but sometimes I see discussions about shit like "dark matter" and "dark energy" and I just think "Wouldn't this all make way more sense if there was a medium of some sort?"

Jfc. Learn what this stuff is before saying the people who actually put in the work are incompetent. The aether was indeed thoroughly disproven by the Michelson-Morley experiment and it has been repeated several times. The resulting interference was orders of magnitude smaller than what would be predicted in the presence of the aether wind and even smaller than the expected instrumental error. It was done in multiple orientations at different dates and times. There was no aether wind.

And why in the world would either of dark matter or dark energy make you think they must be in a medium? They aren’t waves. Dark matter barely moves. Dark energy is only an inferred by its negative gravity, likely a scalar quantum field. which would make it part of a theory validated by the most advanced instruments in the world and is manifestly incompatible with the aether.

Even the experiment "debunking" ether doesn't really hold up, because it's SO DAMN similar to something we did recently where the speed WAS clocked as being different!

they are completely different experiments, as made clear in the images you shared. The MM experiment was to detect differences in travel time predicted by wave model in a medium that moves wrt earth. As there is no medium, there were no fringes. LIGO was meant to detect the extremely small difference in optical path when the gravitational wave affected the two beams differently. You see any gravitational waves in the MM experiment?? The data collected outside the presence of the gravitational wave fully confirms the MM results with the most tightly controlled experiment of its kind.

Experiment 1, done with mirrors - No difference! Ether not real!
Experiment 2, done with much more precise equipment - There is a difference! It's gravity waves what done it!

Enlightening. Extremely precise experiment perfectly confirms detailed theoretical prediction, your response is to imply the entire purpose of the experiment was a post hoc explanation.

Alright this thread is not for me clearly

 

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When you air burst a nuke, like in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it's actually a rather clean explosion with little fallout. If you set off a nuke on the ground you kick up a shit ton of radioactive dust aka fallout. This "nukes are fake!" bullshit is on the same level of retardation as fake moon landings, flat earth, and Tartarian mudfloods. I'd post sources but you'll come up with a retarded excuse why they're all fake or be too stupid to read them.

No, I wouldn't. I was just entertaining the idea of "nukes are fake" since it's interesting. But I'm open to being corrected. I've posted things in this thread before that I've taken back.

I definitely think some countries exaggerate or lie about their nukes. But I can admit maybe "nukes are fake" was a bit too far of a claim. I was just mentioning that it is a theory that exists.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Alright this thread is not for me clearly

Don't leave, just keep posting intelligent shit to offset the people who are so open minded that their brains fell out. We need more posts about actual conspiracies and less posts about mudflood level retardation.

 

[NoReturn]

Enlightening. Extremely precise experiment perfectly confirms detailed theoretical prediction, your response is to imply the entire purpose of the experiment was a post hoc explanation.

Alright this thread is not for me clearly

I like this thread because there are people in here who debunk this stuff. It's happened several times already. I want the debunkings and explanations because they're fun and interesting.

they are completely different experiments, as made clear in the images you shared. The MM experiment was to detect differences in travel time predicted by wave model in a medium that moves wrt earth. As there is no medium, there were no fringes. LIGO was meant to detect the extremely small difference in optical path when the gravitational wave affected the two beams differently. You see any gravitational waves in the MM experiment?? The data collected outside the presence of the gravitational wave fully confirms the MM results with the most tightly controlled experiment of its kind.

Like this, right? I don't get it, but I want to get it, because in my brain what's happening is they're essentially bouncing light "the same distance" both ways, but it comes back different times because we got hit with a gravitational wave in the LIGO experiment that made the distance "shorter" in one direction, right?
Would that not have happened under the same circumstances under the MM experiment if they also experienced a gravity wave at the same time?
I WANT TO LEARN.

Is it that space is like a giant container filled with dark matter that is displaced by matter? Like if a have a big jar of Orbees and shove a marble in it?

 

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I like this thread because there are people in here who debunk this stuff. It's happened several times already. I want the debunkings and explanations because they're fun and interesting.

Yeah, I don't understand the hostility in the recent replies lmao. This is a fun thread that I take with a grain of salt. No one said we were against debunking.

 

[NoReturn]

Yeah, I don't understand the hostility in the recent replies lmao. This is a fun thread that I take with a grain of salt. No one said we were against debunking.

It reminds me of a few years ago when the Flat Earthers popped up and there were people who were taking the flat earth arguments and saying things like "Yeah, hey, that's a good point. Why ISN'T it like that?" and we all got to share things that might not have been common knowledge before among certain groups.

As an example, most kids in school learn some variation of how ancient Greek's knew the world was round:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZl3arO7SY

But schools in general, don't tend to give very good explanations for other interesting things that I've seen flat earthers misunderstand, like:

• How and why time zones exist, and how you can calculate your location on the planet in terms of latitude based on the angle of the sun.
• What causes the aurora borealis and where the aurora appears on the planet.
• The fact high tide occurs on antipodal sides of the planet. (Not just how it happens, one guy I was talking to didn't know it happened in two places at once and was saying "the high tide follows the moon" until I stopped him and asked him to clarify.)
• Velocity is relative (they really like bringing up the idea of a helicopter just hovering and having the destination "come to them".)
• Some of them claim that snipers don't have to account for spinning-ball earth when, in fact, they do.

One REALLY weird one I didn't even know about until I got to talking to flat earth people was this thing called "Airy's Failure" where a guy wanted to test the aether drag hypothesis using a telescope filled with air, and one filled with water. The flat earth guys said it "failed to detect the motion of the earth" but in reality it was another "aether detection" experiment like the one I mentioned above. Like the MM experiment, the takeaway was "There must not be a luminiferous aether" or "The luminiferous aether, if it exists, would have to move with earth".

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The fact high tide occurs on antipodal sides of the planet. (Not just how it happens, one guy I was talking to didn't know it happened in two places at once and was saying "the high tide follows the moon" until I stopped him and asked him to clarify.)

Tides come in and tides go out, you can't explain that Mr. Scienceman!

 

[NoReturn]

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Tides come in and tides go out, you can't explain that Mr. Scienceman!

God, I completely forgot that happened. Thank you for the nam flashback.

 

[Meriasek]

Experiment 1, done with mirrors - No difference! Ether not real!
Experiment 2, done with much more precise equipment - There is a difference! It's gravity waves what done it!

Well, they were rather different experiments. As in, they showed different things. The original Michelson Morley Experiment was too show that electromagnetic waves did not travel through a medium like sound waves, the LIGO experiment showed that gravitational waves exist. The underlying principles of the experiments are the same, they're very accurate interferometers that use miniscule phase differences between two light paths as a sort of measuring tool.
In the Michelson Morley Experiment, the hypothesis was that due to the Earth moving at quite significant speed through space, orienting such an interferometer at different angles with respect to the movement direction of the Earth, and some form of path length difference should have been measured.
In the LIGO experiment the idea was to see if gravitational waves passing through the massively long arms of the interferometer would be noticable.

Would that not have happened under the same circumstances under the MM experiment if they also experienced a gravity wave at the same time?
I WANT TO LEARN.

It would have, but the experiment was not sensitive enough. The two LIGO experiments are ridiculously large, they have 4km long interferometer arms. Michelson Morley had like... 11m, folded.
Gravitational waves are very, very weak, and the spacetime distortions are extremely small, hence the need for such sensitive equipment.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Jfc. Learn what this stuff is before saying the people who actually put in the work are incompetent. The aether was indeed thoroughly disproven by the Michelson-Morley experiment and it has been repeated several times. The resulting interference was orders of magnitude smaller than what would be predicted in the presence of the aether wind and even smaller than the expected instrumental error. It was done in multiple orientations at different dates and times. There was no aether wind.

Putting aside claims of incompetence, the MM experiment only disproved one specific kind of aether hypothesis, that being the idea of a fixed aether that would form a universal constant reference and would be detectable as a "wind" as the earth moved through it. An alternative is a so-called entrained aether, which moves with and is distorted by masses moving through it, and as a consequence doesn't form a universal reference frame (and therefore wouldn't violate relativity). This has never been conclusively tested.

 

[Meriasek]

Putting aside claims of incompetence, the MM experiment only disproved one specific kind of aether hypothesis, that being the idea of a fixed aether that would form a universal constant reference and would be detectable as a "wind" as the earth moved through it. An alternative is a so-called entrained aether, which moves with and is distorted by masses moving through it, and as a consequence doesn't form a universal reference frame (and therefore wouldn't violate relativity). This has never been conclusively tested.

How could one test this in the first place when it yields the same results as classic electrodynamics? Electromagnetic waves don't really need an aether to propagate.
I mean, you could call the virtual particle sea of quantum electrodynamics an aether, although it's not a luminiferous aether in the sense that it's for the propagation of light.
That entrained aether also sounds basically just like frame dragging and, well, spacetime itself.
Dunno, "aether" always sounds a bit esotheric and I don't really see the point of trying to fit in these kind of concepts when we have a much better understanding of things now. I guess it's fine to call them or associate them with an aether, it's just not as magical as one might think when hearing the word.

 

[Otterly]

There are plenty of people who have HIV but never get AIDS, even without treatment.

I’d like to see some numbers on that of you have them ?