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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Has the royal family ever acknowledged the Rotherham grooming scandal? Even Liz was anti-Israel for decades before it became popular. Charles is an actual scholar of the Quran in Arabic. In 1996, the Grand Mufti of Cyprus (Nazim Al-Haqqani) actually said that he had converted while in Turkey, although Buckingham Palace denied it. https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/king-charles-iii-five-things-islam-muslims
He's definitely a big fan of Islam either way.
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uhh yeah because they're literally related to mohammed.
 
Palestine Action bragging about spreading Intifada in prisons.
Jailed Palestine Action activists are radicalising other prisoners in pursuit of their cause, the movement has boasted.
The group – which will be proscribed as a terrorist organisation within days – said the “resistance lives on the streets, in cities, in towns and in prisons” in a meeting accessed by The Telegraph.
On a call with potential recruits, the host of the meeting said members of the organisation were “spreading intifada”, an Arabic word for uprising.
This week, The Telegraph revealed that Palestine Action was plotting to target RAF bases across the country in a wave of attacks.
At a direct action “workshop” for people wanting to join the organisation, at which the RAF plans were discussed, a member of the group quoted the words of an anonymous former prisoner.

The former prisoner said: “In locking me up, the British state made a miscalculation. They thought that by imprisoning me, they would halt the British resistance to Israel’s genocide. But while you can imprison a revolutionary, you cannot imprison a revolution.
“The resistance lives on the streets, in our cities and our towns, and in our prisons too. I brought the intifada with me to the prison and I remain steadfast and determined now I am free – just as Palestine, too, will be.”



In total, the group says it currently has around 19 members imprisoned in the UK. The majority of those are the “Filton 18” who are currently remanded in custody awaiting trial in April next year.
Members of the group allegedly drove a modified prison van into the Israeli arms company Elbit’s research, development, and manufacturing hub in Filton, Bristol. Two responding police officers and a security guard were allegedly injured in the incident.
Further arrests were made at a protest in Trafalgar Square this week during a demonstration against the plans by Yvette Cooper, the Home Secretary, to proscribe the organisation.

On Thursday, The Telegraph exposed a list of Palestine Action’s next targets. Tactics discussed included breaking into factories and hitting “everything you can find with a sledgehammer”, as well as setting up autonomous cells able to target military bases without detection.
A slide in the call identified three RAF bases most suitable for attack – RAF Cranwell and RAF Barkston Heath, both in Lincolnshire, and RAF Valley, in Anglesey, North Wales. It also recommended action against defence companies believed to be supplying arms to Israel, including a drone factory in Leicester.


There have been growing fears of radicalisation in prisons more generally over the past decade, partly because of the presence of a large number of Islamist gangs.
Hashem Abedi, one of the terrorists behind the 2017 Manchester Arena bombing, attacked three prison officers with makeshift weapons and hot cooking oil at HMP Frankland in County Durham in April. Two officers were left with life-threatening injuries.
The incident came just days after reports that Frankland, the high-security prison where Abedi is serving life, has become “overrun” with Islamist gangs threatening to attack or kill other prisoners if they did not join up.

After a surge of law enforcement activity in the UK in the early 2000s following the 9/11 attacks in the US and the July 7 bombings in London, the number of Islamist extremists in custody for terror-related offences increased sharply.
The increase in Islamist terrorist prisoners came at the same time as a rise in the overall number of Muslims in jails across England and Wales – 99 per cent of whom are being held for non-terror offences.
The number has nearly trebled, from 5,500 in 2002 to almost 16,000 in 2024, and now represents 18 per cent of the prison population, compared with 8 per cent two decades ago.
In 2022, a report by Jonathan Hall KC, the reviewer of anti-terrorism legislation, found that faith-based self-segregation by prisoners had provided a “fertile base for violent Islamist activity”. It said attacks on non-Muslim inmates, staff and the public were “encouraged”.
The report said charismatic or violent prisoners acted as “self-styled emirs” to radicalise the wider Muslim prison population, exerting control through a network of “enforcers” over access to prayer meetings, the prison kitchens and showers.

A Prison Service spokesman said: “We do not tolerate extremism in prisons and have robust measures in place to prevent offenders from radicalising others.
“These include specialist staff training, monitoring of communications, and targeted interventions to stop the those spreading harmful ideologies in their tracks.”
It is understood that no members of Palestine Action are currently held in segregation or separation centre
BMA is playing along with similar nonsense
There is slightly more to the Hippocratic Oath than many non-medical professionals realise. The full text contains all the well-known bits – do no harm, don’t administer poison, maintain the confidentiality of your patients – but over the course of more than 300 words, there are also pledges about pessaries, kidney stones and dietary regimes.
It is a broad, ancient expression of ethics for an industry that has to adapt and modernise all the time. The role of a medical professional, of course, touches on almost all aspects of life, so recent renderings of the oath might tinker with the translation a bit. Yet, what no version touches on, so far as we can tell, is anything to do with solving the conflict in the Middle East, a call to political activism, or prolonged discussions about Zionism.


Attendees at the annual conference of the British Medical Association (BMA), the doctors’ trade union, could have been forgiven for thinking otherwise this week. Meeting in Liverpool for three days to establish policies and priorities for the industry in the coming year – of which, given the state of the NHS, there would have been lots to discuss – members instead found that 43 motions, around 10 per cent of the total, related to Israel, Gaza, Palestine, anti-Semitism or Zionism.
One claimed that Israel is establishing a “system of apartheid”, another called for a boycott of Israeli medical institutions and universities. A third called on the BMA to support doctors who refuse to pay taxes because the UK is “complicit in genocide”.
The slew of motions prompted the Jewish Medical Association (JMA) to warn that Jewish members attending the conference felt “intimidated, unsafe and excluded”. Speaking anonymously for fear of reprisals, several other BMA members The Telegraph has spoken to were, at best, perplexed and exasperated so much attention was being paid to global politics ahead of matters relating to British medicine. Others saw it as typical of a union they view as “institutionally anti-Semitic”, and now “overtaken by Left-wing entryists”.


“It was a disappointing conference in lots of ways, especially in relation to how much time was given to talking about Gaza,” says one doctor and longstanding BMA member, after returning from Liverpool. “There are so many other conflicts around the world where doctors and healthcare professionals are involved, so it seems a shame we didn’t think about them as well.
“Also, because it was spoken about at such length, it stopped us getting on with some of the work I hoped we might have done as a trade union. And then there’s the question of how welcome our Jewish colleagues might have felt, when there’s so much emphasis given to a subject like that.”

The answer to that final question can be given by Prof David Katz, professor of immunopathology at University College London, and executive chairman of the JMA, who also attended. “In Liverpool, there was a hostility in the atmosphere,” Prof Katz says. “How could it be otherwise with these motions? [With] the depth of venom that has been allowed to evolve?”


Established in 1832, the BMA represents some 190,000 doctors and medical students across the UK, and lists its mission simply: “We look after doctors so they can look after you”. Over its long history, it has occasionally taken stances on overseas conflicts, usually advocating for the safety of healthcare workers.
Given the Israeli attacks on hospitals in Gaza, plus the reels of social media footage taken from inside those institutions, often by doctors, the conflict there is an understandably distressing one for BMA members – and has included acts the union would be expected to condemn. Critics, though, believe its interest is now neither balanced nor proportionate.
“When it [the union] used to stray into international issues, it did so with an equal hand,” says one retired GP, who was a BMA member for 45 years. “[But] it doesn’t involve itself much now in Ukraine, or Sudan, or with the Uyghurs, or any other oppressed minority. It doesn’t comment on US aid cuts. No, it is absolutely obsessed with the Palestinian cause.”


It is, he alleges, a situation that has developed “rapidly in the last four or five years, when the junior doctors committee [now known as the resident doctors committee] started to become very radical, and those making policy were very Left-wing. This was roughly at the end of the Corbyn years, when that sort of politics was becoming very mainstream.”
Though it’s often characterised as “student politics” largely conducted online, the retired GP stresses that “many of the very Left-wing older members are fully signed-up as well”. Just last week, the BMA was accused of a “cover-up” when it dropped an investigation into its president, the highly experienced GP Dr Mary McCarthy, for social media posts about the Middle East conflict. Having initially decided there was a case for McCarthy to answer, after an independent review into a complaint by Labour Against Antisemitism, the BMA decided not to take it further because the issue had not been raised by a member or employee of the union.
She is one of several BMA leaders who have had their online posts scrutinised. In 2023, Dr Martin Whyte, a paediatrician and then deputy co-chair of the BMA’s junior doctors’ committee, was suspended after joking online about “gas[sing] the Jews”, the “holohoax”, and writing that people should boycott Israel “out of spite”.


One London-based consultant – who was a BMA member until a year ago, when he was one of several doctors to resign his membership after the union published a controversial open letter to the Foreign Secretary urging the Government to call for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza – claims the union is now practically run by its far-Left members.
“I was very fond of the BMA. My father was a doctor, his obituary was published in the British Medical Journal [owned by the BMA], but it seems to have been hijacked in the last few years. It’s probably been under the surface for a long time, but they seem to prioritise things that aren’t health-related.” he says.
“I would consider myself left-of-centre, but I don’t really have a home in the BMA any more, and I think a lot of Jewish doctors feel that. The whole situation in the Middle East is tragic, I have every sympathy with Palestinians, as I do with the victims of October 7. But it’s far from the only conflict going on in the world where innocent people are being killed, yet the BMA seems to have an obsession with the Palestinian issue, such that they are alienating a lot of Jewish doctors. They will end up having an organisation with very few Jewish doctors. And maybe some people in the BMA want that, I don’t know.


“I can’t really say exactly why they’re so focused on Israel and Gaza, but it’s a bit like the way that Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour Party was. They just don’t seem to have a neutral approach to it, which I find very sad, and it does smack of anti-Semitism, the way they seem to be quite obsessed with this particular issue. The fact is: the huge number of motions at the BMA conference [to do with Israel] means Jewish doctors don’t feel that safe in the BMA. I’m talking to you anonymously, and I’m not even a member any more. It’s just not a safe or friendly environment for Jewish doctors.”

As it is, many Jewish members of the BMA are now resigning in protest. One letter, shared with The Telegraph, accuses the union of being “institutionally anti-Semitic [and] unable to represent me fairly or safely” any more.
“As an adult and a professional, I expect to be represented by an organisation that engenders respect, and represents me with professionalism and gravitas in keeping with the serious responsibilities and obligations we as doctors have to our patients, our colleagues and the wider community,” the doctor writes.
“Being represented by a group of irresponsible militants playing dog whistle student politics, indulging in rank and toxic racism (in the form of Jew hatred) and infusing this old and venerable institution with both, is not something I am prepared to be associated with.”
The BMA points out that one of the motions put forward in Liverpool this week specifically called for support for Jewish people, and was proposed by a Jewish medical student, who urged that members “differentiate between pro-Palestinianism and anti-Semitism”.
That said, quite how the BMA came to have its annual conference so dominated by geopolitics and activism – as one member put it, “in the same week that Nato is meeting, has the BMA picked up the wrong agenda?” – is a question many members might recall asking last year, too.
It was reported in 2024 that one in 10 motions put forward for the Belfast-hosted event had to be removed from debates on legal grounds because they related to the Israel and Palestine conflict, and “risked being perceived as discriminatory, more specifically, anti-Semitic”. At the time, Prof Katz wrote to the BMA to say JMA members “are deeply concerned that the meeting environment could become itself a vehicle for discrimination and Jew hatred.”
A year on, members attending the BMA conference were met with not only another agenda with a heavy emphasis on the situation in the Middle East, but a protest staged by the activist group Health Workers 4 Palestine outside the venue in Liverpool. The demonstration featured “old shoes” representing healthcare workers killed in Gaza – a visual statement synonymous with the shoes of Jewish people killed at concentration camps during the Holocaust, and considered anti-Semitic by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

Inside, often hostile debates raged. Prof Katz, in attendance as ever, strode around attending as many as he could. A well-known figure at BMA conferences, he has never been shy to speak out about anti-Semitism in his profession, regardless of the crowd.
One day this week, he says, he was having a quiet coffee when suddenly he had company. Sikh, Hindu and Christian colleagues in turn took seats next to him. “We just wanted to make sure you didn’t feel on your own here,” they told him. “Under such circumstances,” Prof Katz says, “small gestures count.”
A BMA spokesperson said: “We are totally clear that anti-Semitism is completely unacceptable. There is no place for it in the BMA, NHS, or wider society and we condemn anti-Semitism in the strongest possible terms, as we do with all discrimination based on race, religion, sexuality, gender or disability.
“The BMA’s annual representative meeting is an inclusive space, where wellbeing of members and staff is our priority and we’ve put in place a number of measures and sources of support to ensure this. We are also confident that we are complying with all of our obligations under the Equality Act and our own EDI policies.
“The BMA has a long and proud history of advocating for human rights and access to healthcare around the world, and motions submitted to this year’s conference by grassroots members from across the UK reflect the grave concerns doctors in the UK have about the Gaza conflict and the impact on civilians and healthcare. Resolutions passed at the conference made clear calls around the principles of medical neutrality and the need to respect international humanitarian law that are applicable to all conflicts.
“Motions were also submitted on the crises in Ukraine, Yemen, and Sudan, all of which the BMA has spoken out about and taken action on in recent years.”
But that's not the only nonsense the BMA is still going on about given their recent choice of leader
The British Medical Association hasn’t gone out of its way to court public affection lately – the 11 strikes the BMA has held since 2022 resulted in about 1.5 million cancelled appointments, though they also resulted in an astonishing increase in its members’ pay. And it’s a safe bet that patients won’t be edified to learn that they’re now “energised” at the prospect of yet another strike.
But if the doctors’ union is disastrously out of touch on strikes, it turns out that it’s even more remote from public opinion on the contentious trans issue. The Cass Review recommended an almost complete ban on puberty blockers for children. Well, the man who led the BMA’s opposition to the Report, Tom Dolphin, has now been made chairman of the BMA’s council, its governing body.

The appointment followed what looks like a coup by the 69 member board which ousted the previous incumbent, Professor Philip Banfield. Dr Dolphin tabled an emergency motion last July that led to the union rejecting the Cass report. It announced it would be publishing its own review instead. But alas, nothing has so far appeared.
Let’s remember that Hilary Cass, the author of the report, found that “there is no good evidence” that puberty blockers for young people are safe to use and that “it is unusual for us to give a potentially life-changing treatment to young people and not know what happens to them in adulthood”.
And it seems that in fact many doctors agreed. When the BMA council bypassed debate to reject the Cass review after it ran out of time to discuss the motion at the annual meeting, there were four attempts by members to have an open debate on the review. More than 1,500 doctors, the majority of them BMA members, signed a “Not in Our Name” open letter to the BMA council, criticising the “very undemocratic” decision to reject Lady Cass’s findings.

But rather than respond to members’ concerns, the BMA council has now elected Tom Dolphin to lead the organisation. It’s not out to please, is it? Dr Dolphin’s view on this issue can be judged by his position three years ago, when he posted photos of himself getting ready for a Trans Pride march, saying: “About to set off to let London know that trans rights are human rights!”
Mind you, he didn’t focus on this when he accepted his new position, observing that the last three years “has been a period of huge change for the BMA which has seen doctors realise the power that they have as trade union members to change their working lives … for the better. The fight to restore doctors’ pay and pensions continues.” More militancy then.
You have to ask: are doctors really best led by a man who takes such a radical approach to giving life-altering drugs to children confused about their gender? I’d say it’s proof that the BMA isn’t an organisation that patients or the Government can take seriously.
 
Man I really can't tell if people actually believe this..
They do. It's because there's a Spanish princess in the long ancestry claimed by saxe-coeberg, who was said to be a descendant of mohammed. It's equally possible to say they claim to be directly related to jesus via the Merovingian kings of France. You have to assume a few things first, like the existence of a son of jesus that moves to western Europe, but it's about as reasonable as the claim they're related to mohammad.
 
History Debunked is a good bloke
He is however wrong about the idea that we're going to be scrapping our deterrent. We're just finishing up a refurb of the existing warheads, and have moved ahead to make more advanced ones to replace them entirely. Aldermaston has gone on a massive hiring spree as well. It's more likely we'll try and run two entirely new weapons at once, and do away with the concept of only using a submarine based system. I don't like that idea personally as it implies that there is a tactical use of nuclear weapons; which encourages the idea that they are not solely for ensuring MAD.
 
Bob Vylan makes death threats at concert

So......how many years will this guy get ? If Lucy Connolly got 31 months ?

He called for death to a certain minority group live on our national broadcaster.

Other than one was online and one was on tv, but both in theory were on mass communication, I fail to see a difference.

Were all the members in the audience chanting the same thing back just as guilty ?
As we move into this future of white racial consciousness, I think this whole "What we he get? Will it be fair?" act we all do, where we pretend sarcastically that justice might actually be blind, needs to end. We need to speak plainly.

He is black, he will not be charged unless it's out of sheer capitulation. It is more likely the police are monitoring his tweets to charge people who criticize him.
 
Bob Vylan sang “heard you want your country back? Hah, shut the fuck up” at Glastonbury.

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What a twat. He should be locked in rhe worst portaloo they have and rolled down a hill. (Modern scaphism ..)
Glasto needs more drugs. The insanity started when they cracked down on everyone getting stoned out of their gourd. Bunch of hippies on acid and weed is far preferable to subversive political crap.
Rather sad and bitterly ironic this happening with sight of Glastonbury tor. I want my country back, mate, and a better line up next year as well. You against the wall, and some better acts on the pyramid stage, and more hippies and dancing and less of this kind of thing
 
He is however wrong about the idea that we're going to be scrapping our deterrent. We're just finishing up a refurb of the existing warheads, and have moved ahead to make more advanced ones to replace them entirely. Aldermaston has gone on a massive hiring spree as well. It's more likely we'll try and run two entirely new weapons at once, and do away with the concept of only using a submarine based system. I don't like that idea personally as it implies that there is a tactical use of nuclear weapons; which encourages the idea that they are not solely for ensuring MAD.
well those defence contractors have gotta be paid somehow.
 
Ginger women have been popular with men since the bullying stopped in the 2000s. Lots of celebrity red headed women and some anime influence leaking in with the red haired characters popular with the youth.

Could you stop being a twat? The anti-Nigel posting is getting tedious and you're posting in a way you know will upset people. Nigel's wife is a white French woman who works on anti-immigration policy in France and Europe. They have a home in Essex which she owns according to wikipedia. You know you're posting like Farage has some little yellow thing he calls a wife. We've all seen the weird old men with ugly old Asian women on the street and you know that's what people think when you say immigrant wife.

If we're going to lose either way then it doesn't hurt to try does it? Or are you going to tell us the solution is offering our wife and kids to pakis so maybe they won't be so mean to us when they take control next? I would have thought someone so keen on surrendering would have been a big fan of Farage's French wife.
I know you're new here, but you should know that I previously working in child safeguarding and I've talked about that here on the farms so I am not on the 'hand women and children over to muslims' side. The only reason you went for that is because you had no other legs to stand on and you're ignorant. What I'm trying to do is get people to pay attention to the fact that Farage had a european wife but was a main pusher of Brexit - because it made him money. He is head of Reform now, which he has set up as a PLC (a company you donated to to carry out an objective, not a political party, so he can take as many donations as he likes and use them as he likes, and can't be removed as director of the PLC) and he is working with muslims because he isn't against them at all. He's doing all this because it makes him money, and it isn't the fucking solution you think it is.
 
well those defence contractors have gotta be paid somehow.
Paid should really be gold coloured, because the government dropped £15Bn on the new warhead, and AWE itself hires something absurd like 1500 new people a year. It's probably one of the few recession proof industries the UK actually has.
 
He's doing all this because it makes him money, and it isn't the fucking solution you think it is.
I just want him to be PM so I can watch him have a nervous breakdown when he realises he's stuck there.

Seriously though, as much as he's clearly only in it to expand his pension collection, he's nevertheless opened a floodgate of genuine political rebellion that he can no longer direct or control, regardless of how he's structured the party. If an election were held today, Reform would have a very strong chance of forming the next government. People want change. Reform is the only way they can see forward, however much they might see Farage as a grifter. I've been telling people he's a grifter for years here, but I still plan on voting reform next time around because it's the least terrible option.

Paid should really be gold coloured, because the government dropped £15Bn on the new warhead, and AWE itself hires something absurd like 1500 new people a year. It's probably one of the few recession proof industries the UK actually has.
It's one of those very rare cases where the civil service has recognised the need to maintain domestic skill in a strategic industry. The UK can still build nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs and has never lost that ability. We just need to figure out rockets (Again) and we're completely divorced from the need to rely on foreign partners for our nuclear deterrence.
 
It's one of those very rare cases where the civil service has recognised the need to maintain domestic skill in a strategic industry. The UK can still build nuclear reactors and nuclear bombs and has never lost that ability. We just need to figure out rockets (Again) and we're completely divorced from the need to rely on foreign partners for our nuclear deterrence.
We can already build rockets, we have a joint venture in the form of Roxel with the french. We could have our own ballistic missile program running just fine inside of a few years. I think it's purely politics why we don't, I think it's probably beneficial to our nuclear program to work so closely with the Americans in regards to the missiles themselves; as we probably do a lot of information sharing with them. Probably.

If we phased that out, and used Roxel to develop the boosters, and did all the guidance systems in house, we would inevitably draw closer to Europe as we moved away from America. I'm not opposed to that, but I'm also not for that.
 
I just want him to be PM so I can watch him have a nervous breakdown when he realises he's stuck there.

Seriously though, as much as he's clearly only in it to expand his pension collection, he's nevertheless opened a floodgate of genuine political rebellion that he can no longer direct or control, regardless of how he's structured the party. If an election were held today, Reform would have a very strong chance of forming the next government. People want change. Reform is the only way they can see forward, however much they might see Farage as a grifter. I've been telling people he's a grifter for years here, but I still plan on voting reform next time around because it's the least terrible option.
He has got most of the political dissent focused on him, that's true. And technically it would be funny to watch him panic as PM, if it wouldn't literally fuck everything else up in the process. I can't afford the chaos. But Labour are making steps towards anti-immigration policies and unfortunately I think that we got into a 14-year deep hole slowly and will have to get out of it slowly, which means vocally and positively supporting the steps the government are taking in that direction. (Which doesn't mean becoming a Keir fan or a lifelong labour supporter). Which is exactly why I think the mainstream media is winding everybody up against Keir rather than focusing on what they are doing, because as I've also said, the media was on board with the tories all the way through our decline and I think the tories and establishment are using Badenoch to bring in more immigrants but nigerians this time.

Also I don't think I've seen this brought up here but everyone talks about how everyone can apparently afford deliveroo and doordash and that's the dark economy the boat immigrants are participating in - those guys are openly dealing drugs here, it's not the fast food economy, it's drugs, and nobody does more cocaine than westminster. Theresa May's husband has the main pharmaceuticals contract for weed-based medications to the NHS. But they still use under the table immigrant workers to grow it. They're involved both legally and illegally.
 
I wonder what the ethics of creating a charity to ensure that migrants will be able to attend Glastonbury would look like, I'm sure it could be created on the grounds of "It'd be nice to ensure that new arrivals are able to experience British culture" whereas it'd be fantastic for giving sad middle class wankers something to worry about.
It would be interesting to see if the Eavis family would allow 'open borders' for their festival... which is held behind large fencing and guarded.
 
@Tragon Dirtle I would not be surprised to see Starmer threaten to rip up Deliveroo's trading licence, if he feels that would win him brownie points.

You're right in that the issue of mass illegal migration will take time to sort, but I think Reform UK will be able to do it within five to six years of being elected - we've hopefully got some support from Albania and even the NCA is now taking the claims that certain FBPE types on X such as Simon Harris are or have been involved in facilitating the problem. Starmer will want the NCA to crack down on these people before the summer recess, and then go into September in a more confident mood.

The upshot will be that he'll further annoy the woke Left in the process, as they see him lurching into Reform UK territory and using Farage's rhetoric.

The Overton window is shifting right, despite the best (and worst) attempts of the Left to stop it.
 
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