Culture Why Did the Novel-Reading Man Disappear? - Men are leaving fiction reading behind. Some people want to change that.

By Joseph Bernstein
June 25, 2025 Updated 2:17 p.m. ET

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In the mid-20th century, when this man browsed bookstore shelves, fiction was a boys club. Today, the situation has changed. John Murray/Hulton Archive, via Getty Images

For the first meeting of his book club for men, Yahdon Israel, a 35-year-old senior editor at Simon & Schuster, asked the participants to bring a favorite work of fiction. Not everyone completed the assignment.

One man brought “Watchmen,” a graphic novel. Valid, technically.

Another scoured his home bookshelf and realized he did not own a single novel or short story collection. So he showed up to the meeting with a nonfiction book about emotional intelligence. (Mr. Israel posted a photo of the seven millenial-ish men in the group, each holding his selection, to his Instagram account.)

Mr. Israel, who has hosted another book club for nearly a decade, started this group last December in an effort to inspire heterosexual men to read more fiction. He solicited members over social media. For the second meeting, he assigned a story collection by Jamel Brinkley, “A Lucky Man,” which examines contemporary masculinity. For two hours, the men discussed the book, and the theme.

The next day, Mr. Israel had a panic attack. Two days later, he said, he was diagnosed with depression.

He has spent the months since grappling with painful realizations that came out of the discussion, about how toxic masculinity has harmed his own marriage, especially the idea that real men do not share their feelings. It was an epiphany out of James Joyce, unlocked, he said, by that conversation in the book club.

Indeed, while Mr. Israel might have convened the group to help other men read more fiction, he has since realized that there’s an even deeper reason.

“I’m doing this because I need it,” he said in an interview.

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Yahdon Israel, center, and members of his “Fiction Revival” book club, aimed at inspiring straight men to read more fiction. Porsalin Hindsman-Israel

So do lots of men — at least according to a robust debate unfolding in opinion pages and news articles, on social media platforms and inside the publishing world. By turns a maligned or suspicious figure in decades past — in the case of the “Infinite Jest” lover, for instance — or a fetishized one — consider the enormously popular “Hot Dudes Reading” Instagram — the figure of the literary male reader is now disappearing, some say, and his disappearance is a matter of grave concern.

These articles, which focus explicitly or implicitly on straight men, connect the fact that these men are reading fewer novels to a variety of social maladies, up to and including deleterious effects on American democracy itself. If more men were reading like Mr. Israel, the thinking goes, the country would be a healthier place: more sensitive, more self-aware, less destructive. As more American men fill their hours with the crude talk shows of the “manosphere,” online gambling and addictive multiplayer games, the humble novel — consumed alone, requiring thought and patience — can look like a panacea.

It’s a lot of pressure to put on the reading man, who for many people remains a fittingly prosaic sight, unworthy of deeper thought or further comment. Perhaps he is passing the time on a commute, or taking a break from the stresses of the day. Little does he know, he’s been drafted into a new front in the culture war over the future of men.

On a recent afternoon in June, Jack Kyono, an assistant manager at McNally Jackson, the stalwart New York book chain, walked the floor of the store’s SoHo location. Mr. Kyono was quick to point out that not all men read in the same way. International tourists are buying different books from older American men, who are buying different books from young professionals. But he broadly agreed with the idea that when it came to reading fiction, straight men were followers, not leaders. They might read Sally Rooney or Ocean Vuong, he said, but only after an audience of straight women and queer people had made them cultural touchstones.

Earlier on the phone, he told me he had noticed a gender divide among the stacks: When groups of women wandered into the store, they frequently browsed together, pointing out books they had read and making suggestions for their friends — an act that booksellers call “the handsell.”

Meanwhile, when men came into the bookstore with other men, they typically split up and dispersed to far corners of the store.

“It’s solo browsing time,” he said.

Navigating the aisles, Mr. Kyono, 27, led us to a cubicle-size display near the back dedicated to science fiction and fantasy, where the shelves were heavy with multipart series with names like “Iron Gold” and “Light Bringer.” Nearby, an alcove of the American fiction section from F through K contained many of the most famous male writers of what Mr. Kyono called the “American high school reading curriculum”: Faulkner, Hemingway, Heller, Kerouac.

“This is a hot corner for men,” he noted.

So, too, was a nook featuring literature in translation. Here, said Mr. Kyono, another kind of male reader snaps up long, ambitious novels from Czech, Romanian and Austrian writers — someone who may fit into the much-debated trope of the “high brodernist,” male readers and critics who prize esoteric, challenging texts in translation.

Inside the store, the customers were overwhelmingly women. But there were a few men. Some, like Daniel Schreiner, 38, were fans of the fantasy star Brandon Sanderson. He said he thought men read less fiction than women because “we’re less literate than they are.” Another man, Louis Nunez, 41, said he did not read fiction, and typically picked out nonfiction books related to spirituality.

“But spirituality is like fiction to some people,” he said.

There was at least one man in the store who planned to buy a work of fiction: Bob Ryan, a college literature professor, holding a novel about a Japanese architect. Mr. Ryan, 37, said he had trouble getting many of the young men in his courses interested in the material, because they did not see the benefit of novels. “They’re more interested in the instrumental,” he said.

Eventually, Mr. Kyono took me to the front to look at an attractive “customer favorites” display. Here, pastel and vivid colors dominated the covers of books by romance and “romantasy” stalwarts like Carley Fortune and Sarah J. Maas, the author of the popular “A Court of Thorns and Roses” series.

Beyond the bookstore, much of the architecture of book discovery is informally targeted at women. Celebrity book clubs are mostly led by female celebrities and increasingly court women of all ages, from those who are fans of Oprah Winfrey and Reese Witherspoon to those who are more interested in the tastes of Dua Lipa and Kaia Gerber. (Former President Barack Obama, the obvious straight male exception, releases a single list of his favorite books every year.) #BookTok, the vast community on TikTok that has become a best-seller machine, is largely populated by women recommending books by other women, like Colleen Hoover’s “It Ends With Us.”

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Reese Witherspoon started Reese’s Book Club in 2017. Mireya Acierto/Getty Images

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Oprah Winfrey started “Oprah’s Book Club” in 1996 to recommend favorite titles to her audience. Sara Krulwich/The New York Times

There are counterexamples that prove the rule. C.J. Box, the author of a long-running series about a Wyoming game warden who solves murders, has expanded his audience to include younger men by appearing on a series of podcasts about hunting, fishing and other outdoors subjects.

But literary novelists — the kind who populate prestigious lists and publish the “big” books of the year — have not seemed to crack the code with straight guys, at least on social media.

One common argument focuses on supply: that men are not reading fiction because the subject matter of contemporary fiction does not speak to men. Jordan Castro, a novelist whose books inhabit the minds of frustrated men, wrote in an email that “the general tone and etiquette of the literary world is certainly hostile to masculine expression.” Conduit Books, a new indie press that debuted this year, will focus on books by male authors, and will center “overlooked” themes of “fatherhood, masculinity, working-class male experience, sex and relationships, and negotiating the 21st-century as a man.”

These arguments hark back to a midcentury culture of fiction writing dominated by men writing about masculine subjects and the male experience. But it was not always thus. In the 19th century, the most popular novels were written by women for a female audience. Their output was considered “paltry entertainment,” according to Dan Sinykin, a professor of English at Emory University and the author of “Big Fiction: How Conglomeration Changed the Publishing Industry and American Literature.”

Many of these titles were so-called sentimental novels, whose virtuous heroines illustrated proper moral conduct. In 1855, Nathaniel Hawthorne described American novelists to his publisher as “a damned mob of scribbling women, and I should have no chance of success while the public taste is occupied with their trash.”

A century later, the story had changed, and publishing had become a boys club with cultural cachet, according to Mr. Sinykin. Literary form was prized above social instruction.

Starting in the 1980s, a new generation of women came to dominate the publishing industry. The “feminization” of the industry, as Mr. Sinkyin called it, resulted in a business that “assumes its primary audience is white women between 30 and 65” and publishes books to suit their tastes.

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Some people are worried about the disappearing figure of the literary male reader. In the mid-20th century, publishing catered more to his tastes. Evening Standard/Hulton Archive, via Getty Images

In one sense, then, for men to read more fiction as the world of the novel exists today would not just require more stereotypically masculine subject matter. It might be a matter of men approaching their reading lives a little more like women do — getting recommendations online from celebrities and influencers, browsing together, forming book clubs.

One thing that may help: brick-and-mortar bookstores giving traditionally male-focused genres the romantasy treatment, said Shannon DeVito, the senior director of books at Barnes & Noble. According to Ms. DeVito, over the past six months, the chain has had growing sales from contemporary science fiction and fantasy authors like Matt Dinniman and James Islington.

“It’s not a concerted effort to get men to read more,” said Ms. DeVito. “It’s just great books that appeal to that audience.”

Book culture is not a monolith. According to BookScan, some 782.7 million books were sold in 2024, and the rapid growth of the self-published book market means that there is fiction to suit almost every taste. In this context, what Mr. Sinykin called the “worst version” of the critique of contemporary fiction — that liberal politics have destroyed the space for male readers — seems like a huge oversimplification. And many people who care about the future of the male fiction reader are keen to avoid it.

Mr. Israel deliberately did not include the words “man” or “men” in the name of his book club. He called it “The Fiction Revival,” to underline the idea that there was a kind of reading experience for men that needed to be resuscitated.

Max Lawton, a translator who frequently works on long European novels, scoffed at the “corny idea of the male reader” who is interested only in stereotypically masculine subjects and austere prose.

“Being a reader is not a two-party system — you can read whatever you want,” he said.

Even Mr. Castro, the novelist, rejected the idea of a countermovement in the name of masculine identity. “Resentment, performing or embodying a self-consciously ‘masculine’ identity at the expense of literary value, is cringe,” he wrote in an email. “‘Identity’ is not a literary value.”

One real challenge at hand is a frenzied attention economy competing for everyone’s time, not just men’s. To present the sorry state of the male reader as having solely to do with the gendered quality of contemporary fiction misses a screen-based culture that presents nearly unlimited forms of entertainment.

“Our competition isn’t other publishers,” said Sean Manning, the publisher of Simon & Schuster. “It’s social media, gaming, streaming. All these other things that are vying for people’s time, attention and financial resources.”

Asked whether the publishing industry needed straight men to read more fiction as a purely economic matter, Mr. Manning focused instead on the social benefits of reading.

“It’s a problem if anyone isn’t taking advantage of an incredible artistic medium,” he said. “It’s hurtful not to be well-rounded.”

In an effort to get more people — yes, among them, men — to pick up his books, Mr. Manning is trying to make his own back catalog speak more to the culture at large. He has commissioned Taylor Sheridan, the creator of such man-approved shows and movies as “Yellowstone” and “Sicario,” to write the introduction to a new edition of Larry McMurtry’s classic western, “Lonesome Dove.” (Another guy-friendly introduction to an old title: the Metallica drummer Lars Ulrich on Hunter S. Thompson’s “Screwjack.”)

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Simon & Schuster asked Lars Ulrich of Metallica to write an intro to a work of Hunter S. Thompson’s. Kevin Winter/Getty Images

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And asked Taylor Sheridan, the creator of “Yellowstone,” to write the introduction to a new edition of Larry McMurtry’s “Lonesome Dove.” Monica Schipper/Getty Images

Mr. Manning might be happy to reach a book club like the one Andy Spackman, 46, started in the Lawrence, Kan., area three years ago. A former construction worker married to the best-selling memoirist Sarah Smarsh, Mr. Spackman said he felt that he did not have anyone to talk to about books, and that a book club might be a good way to bond with other men.

“I’m always seeing women out doing things and being friendlier toward each other than men are,” he said.

Since convening the group, the men have read Cormac McCarthy’s “Blood Meridian,” Donna Tartt’s “The Secret History” and James McBride’s “The Good Lord Bird,” among others. Dissecting and reassembling the ideas in these books, Mr. Spackman said, has led to a level of depth and intimacy with other men that he never got from inviting friends over to play video games, or from hanging out at the bar.

That does not mean, however, that there is no role for that time-tested male social lubricant, and subject of much great writing by men.

“Full disclosure,” Mr. Spackman said. “There is alcohol at the book club.”

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And more often than not, red pillers would advise to cold approach women always while reddit women would disagree and often say some variation of "learn to be fun" and "join a hobby or a book club".
The advice is disingenuous and the people giving it are lifeless NPCs with no hobbies. The list is just things they’ve heard of other people doing. Book clubs aren’t that common anymore, but redditors are all shut ins who just repeat things they’ve read on Reddit to one another.

If you’re at the point where you ask yourself why a redditor would think some advice would help you’re already thinking about it more deeply than they ever will.
 
If your goal is to actually discuss books in order to deepen your understanding, book clubs only work if they have an explicit, narrow focus, like a Shakespeare reading club. If it's whatever random stuff people want to read, I hope you're ready to talk about Fourth Wing and the Britney Spears autobiography. If your goal is to meet women, they probably work as well as any other hobby meetup, as long as you follow the two rules (i.e. be attractive; don't be unattractive).
 
If your goal is to actually discuss books in order to deepen your understanding, book clubs only work if they have an explicit, narrow focus, like a Shakespeare reading club. If it's whatever random stuff people want to read, I hope you're ready to talk about Fourth Wing and the Britney Spears autobiography. If your goal is to meet women, they probably work as well as any other hobby meetup, as long as you follow the two rules (i.e. be attractive; don't be unattractive).
Usually genres work over that narrow of a focus. You can meet people there but it is always going to be introverts and people who don't really enjoy physical activity.
 
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Eons ago I used to lurk dating/relationship advice and red pill threads on Reddit to laugh at the zoo, way before the doom took over the internet dating discourse. And more often than not, red pillers would advise to cold approach women always while reddit women would disagree and often say some variation of "learn to be fun" and "join a hobby or a book club". The fucking book club advice kept popping up.

I was reminded of this after seeing the same advice in a Salon thread. They aren't a big thing here so I have no reference point... But wouldn't most people joining these autistic book readings join them for the books and to push their own book recs? And even if you join some club for pussy chasing reasons, wouldn't you want to avoid the redditor/booktok types? What gives?

Thread tax: If any of you faggots hasn't read any good fiction in a while (and I know you haven't) and has pretty much given up on the medium then go read The Hour of the Dragon by Robert E. Howard. It's his only actual novel and sure it's old but there's more good old media out there than you can consume in a lifetime. So don't be a retard, I am giving you one 255-page book instead of shitting recs down your throat.

Critics say it's "purple prose" (bookfag term for extravagant/descriptive) and heckin wacist but trust me this grandaddy of sword and sorcery is more entertaining than most fantasy vidya.

Purple Prose is kind of a midwit trap for redditors who don't actually read. Howard, Lovecraft, A. Merritt, and plenty of others used it to good effect.

The other thing is that it's redditors parrotting this shit. Women that pull that stuff usually want to sound smart. A real "book club" is probably just a group that has similar interests and shares them. A generalist book club is fine, but it's going to get boring unless you're really the type to read across the board (likely to be 70-80% feminine books tbh)

The advice is disingenuous and the people giving it are lifeless NPCs with no hobbies. The list is just things they’ve heard of other people doing. Book clubs aren’t that common anymore, but redditors are all shut ins who just repeat things they’ve read on Reddit to one another.

If you’re at the point where you ask yourself why a redditor would think some advice would help you’re already thinking about it more deeply than they ever will.

Agreed.

If your goal is to actually discuss books in order to deepen your understanding, book clubs only work if they have an explicit, narrow focus, like a Shakespeare reading club. If it's whatever random stuff people want to read, I hope you're ready to talk about Fourth Wing and the Britney Spears autobiography. If your goal is to meet women, they probably work as well as any other hobby meetup, as long as you follow the two rules (i.e. be attractive; don't be unattractive).
That being said, I'd be down for a Kiwi book club-esque deal where it's dedicated to science fiction. I read at least one SF book a month and they're usually classics.

Usually genres work over that narrow of a focus. You can meet people there but it is always going to be introverts and people who don't really enjoy physical activity.
I've found online spaces that are pretty chill over stuff like sword & sorcery, adventure fiction, vintage SF/F, classic crime & mysteries, but I've also noticed that they're usually 75% men and self-police stupid shit because the point is to talk books.
Come, is there no 5’1 pooner bold enough to see Mr Israel’s “men’s book group” as the diversity challenge it is, and barge her way in, prosthetic balls swinging, clutching her copy of The Raven Tower, and yelling in frog voice: MY FELLOW MEN, I BEAR FICTION! LET US READ, TOGETHER, AS MEN DO.

>subject them to Karl Edward Wagner's Kane.


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Joseph Conrad's a fun writer who doesn't get as much recognition nowadays aside from Heart of Darkness (on current TBR). He's a great turn of the 20th century writer.
 
That being said, I'd be down for a Kiwi book club-esque deal where it's dedicated to science fiction. I read at least one SF book a month and they're usually classics.

Message me if you ever put it together. I trawl and bookmark these threads to find books anyway.

IIRC, Heinlein also liked Forever War by Haldeman. I recall that he even called it one of the finest SF novels he'd ever read.

"I met Heinlein after 'The Forever War' had won the Hugo and Nebula Awards. He shook my hand and said he loved the book so much, he'd read it three times."

That might have been what sold me on reading it years ago, I was going through and reading a couple of things by each one of the big three (and random other shit of course) and Heinlein was the easiest to consume via TTS on a hike or in short bursts between classes or w/e and I was looking for stuff in that vein. 'I, Robot' was probably the smartest/most insightful book (well collection of short stories) I read during that period but Heinlein, like Pohl, is just a master of pacing and keeping interest without turning it into a YA novel.

Book 5 of GoT actually has some really smart setup (Sansa and Baelish, Cersei and The Church and the best part of that book is how she learned nothing and continued to be a histrionic c****) but it's got almost no action and was total slog to read on a treadmill. I had to start chapters over constantly because my mind would just wander. Heinlein would never do me like that.
 
We're all reading books from 50+ years ago that have the Nigger word in them.
I know Stephen King isn't well liked by vocal elements of the farms, but "nigger" is honestly his favorite word.

If your goal is to actually discuss books in order to deepen your understanding, book clubs only work if they have an explicit, narrow focus, like a Shakespeare reading club. If it's whatever random stuff people want to read, I hope you're ready to talk about Fourth Wing and the Britney Spears autobiography. If your goal is to meet women, they probably work as well as any other hobby meetup, as long as you follow the two rules (i.e. be attractive; don't be unattractive).
Had this one girl I was hanging around who was really adamant about starting a book club. Problem was her selection started with The Hunger Games (which she kept trying to convince me was a libertarian diatribe) and it went down from there. I was the only one who read the book and she gave up after that.
 
"I met Heinlein after 'The Forever War' had won the Hugo and Nebula Awards. He shook my hand and said he loved the book so much, he'd read it three times."
Anything that could get Heinlein to stop writing self-insert cringe about sexing out on his mom and/or siblings for a few hours just has to be compelling.

More seriously, The Forever War was very good.
 
Forever war was great. A completely dissimilar sf book I recommend is silverbergs man in the maze. Canticle for leibowitz was good too. Not to recommend stuff that's too jewy...

Jg Ballard has some good, very original sf. A bit weird, but quite good. Not as weird as something like sirens of titan by vonnegut (also good).
 
Forever war was great. A completely dissimilar sf book I recommend is silverbergs man in the maze. Canticle for leibowitz was good too. Not to recommend stuff that's too jewy...

Jg Ballard has some good, very original sf. A bit weird, but quite good. Not as weird as something like sirens of titan by vonnegut (also good).
Ballard and Vonnegut were two SF writers that kinda went on to become more proper literary writers and tried to escape being labeled SF writers. (They failed at that).

I've got some Ballard sitting around. 3 of his disaster trilogy and the Chronopolis collection.

Silverberg, much like Frederik Pohl and Poul Anderson and Larry Niven, seems to have an oeuvre that's pretty massive. I know Man in the Maze has been collected in a bunch of Silverberg collections (turns out I have it in the Other Dimensions SFBC collection omnibus that's dedicated to 4 of his great novels- including Dying Inside and Nightwings )


Message me if you ever put it together. I trawl and bookmark these threads to find books anyway.
In all honesty we may as well see the science fiction discussion thread in the art & lit subforum.
"I met Heinlein after 'The Forever War' had won the Hugo and Nebula Awards. He shook my hand and said he loved the book so much, he'd read it three times."

That might have been what sold me on reading it years ago, I was going through and reading a couple of things by each one of the big three (and random other shit of course) and Heinlein was the easiest to consume via TTS on a hike or in short bursts between classes or w/e and I was looking for stuff in that vein. 'I, Robot' was probably the smartest/most insightful book (well collection of short stories) I read during that period but Heinlein, like Pohl, is just a master of pacing and keeping interest without turning it into a YA novel.

Book 5 of GoT actually has some really smart setup (Sansa and Baelish, Cersei and The Church and the best part of that book is how she learned nothing and continued to be a histrionic c****) but it's got almost no action and was total slog to read on a treadmill. I had to start chapters over constantly because my mind would just wander. Heinlein would never do me like that.

Yeah, I don't think I've had a bad Pohl or Heinlein read yet.

I'll say, I do like Pohl having fun with speculation. He got quite a bit more right than others.

Geez, I think 50% of the prominent SF writers from the 40s-80s have been mentioned. There's a bunch I've not read yet that are supposedly good.

  • Kate Wilhelm, Damon Knight's Wife, apparently had a long and fruitful writing career and put out quite a bit of respected SF work.
  • Damon Knight himself was the first SFWA president, one of the Futurians, and a fine writer in his own right.
  • John Wyndham is a really good british SF writer and best known for Day of the Triffids. Anyone should pick him up. Triffids was such an enjoyably bleak read. From what I've seen, he's been put back in print.
  • Eric Frank Russell is another classic british SF writer from the mid 20th century. He was pretty well rounded. He had Sinister Barrier, Wasp, and The Great Explosion. I've heard good things about his SF work.
  • James H. Schmitz is one of those odd SF writers that spent his career steadily writing space opera in the mid 20th century and didn't really breach into anything considered "literary SF" in the same way you could consider Forever War or Starship Troopers. But he got his start under John W. Campbell and wrote space opera for a few decades. He's remembered for the charming "Witches of Karres" and for his repeated use of spunky heroines. Baen collected pretty much everything he wrote for his "Hub" universe in 6-7 anthologies. NESFA did a "Best of James H. Schmitz" volume. "Witches of Karres" was a short work that Schmitz lengthened into a novel in the '60s. (Arguably for the worst).
  • Wilson Tucker is another one of those mid-20th century SF writers that one sees in used stores or in anthologies. He's primarily known for his time travel related stuff. From what I've heard, he's pretty enjoyable.
 
John Wyndham is a really good british SF writer and best known for Day of the Triffids. Anyone should pick him up. Triffids was such an enjoyably bleak read. From what I've seen, he's been put back in print.
The Midwich Cuckoos was excellent as well.

Most of the others you mention I don't know or barely know. Thx
 
The Midwich Cuckoos was excellent as well.

Most of the others you mention I don't know or barely know. Thx
There's a few good sources. I have a copy of John Clute's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Science Fiction. There's also the various steady recommendations via booktubers like Vintage SF, Michael K. Vaughan, The Library Ladder, and Bookpilled.

There's also just finding out info on the eras. You have the Campbell era, which had its own roster of writers that took off. The '50s or the "Real Golden Age" as Silverberg puts it, the '60s with their New Wave, and then the Cyberpunk era.

Also look at NESFA Press. It's a good way to note classic SF authors you may want to look for on archival sites, epubs, audiobooks/radio plays, and etc. if they repeatedly show up being preserved by small press outfits like Nesfa or Haffner or if said author shows up in a million anthologies/collections. Harlan Ellison does this a lot. But even lesser known ones like Judith Merril, C. M. Kornbluth, William Tenn, Mack Reynolds, or Fredric Brown are well worth your time. And noone grabs their books aside from enthusiasts, collectors, or educated resellers.

Out in the used bookstore? See a vintage book say something like "The Best of" or "The Essential" or "The Many Worlds of" [Author]? Go grab it. That became a trend in the 70s. Some of those focused collections are pretty scarce, especially the Thomas M. Disch and Barry M. Malzberg ones. (Yes, two more authors to add to your list). Another thing to spot is the "Readers" where it'll be a retrospective of an author, like The John Varley Reader that was a 30th anniversary celebration of that SF writer (started in the '70s).

In all honesty there's plenty of good old stuff. There was an outfit called the Science Fiction Book Club that ran from the '50s to the 00s and they came out with hardcover editions and omnibus collections of SF-F. Their 21st Century publications had a logo that just said "SFBC" and they did a lot of reprints and collecting of the classics. You had their 40-something volume 50th anniversary set of their greatest hits from each decade/era. You also just had shit like the SFBC compiling updated collections of Heinlein, Asimov, and other major hard to find classics. Hell, they did a Jack Vance Dying Earth omnibus that goes for almost a hundred bucks nowadays. (and a Gene Wolfe Book of the New Sun omnibus that's also similarly expensive).

on a side note, there's also the crime/detective genre that's had a lot of its stuff preserved by Hard Case Crime.
 
Silverberg wrote some fantastic short stories too. I used to have a huge collection of Analog and the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction booklets and every time there was a Silverberg in it it was the best of the bunch.

I wish to hell I still had that stack of booklets from the early 90s, there were some serious gems in there, many of which are still in my memory decades later.
 
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Bitches be like "I want a man who reads" until the dozenth strange esoteric tome shows up on your doorstep from eBay.
What they don't tell you is what men like to read either gives women the ick or scares the hoes. (Often both).

It is a problem, but you need to get more men to teach high school literature-which means completely revamping the education system and that will not happen any time soon.
 
What they don't tell you is what men like to read either gives women the ick or scares the hoes. (Often both).

It is a problem, but you need to get more men to teach high school literature-which means completely revamping the education system and that will not happen any time soon.
Dude, I know it’s a dead horse at this point but the school system is so terribly designed for boys that it actively makes their lives worse.
Just using reading as an example, we had to read The Hunger Games in high school. And it’s a good book, but English class should be the classic literature of humanity that, believe it or not, is actually fucking rad and if approached properly can have people grow up to love and appreciate the written word.
Like, what do you think would get more boys into reading as a pursuit, some current year YA novel or Beowulf? Some book about wypipo being bad or Watchmen? Some book about some fag being gay or Issac Asimov?
 
we had to read The Hunger Games in high school. And it’s a good book
This is incorrect and I would go so far as to argue The Hunger Games was symptomatic of the issues driving men from not reading. From its hackneyed, borrowed premise to its characters that are flat from the outset and experience no growth to it’s weird first person present narrative that fails because Collins has insufficient command of how English is structured, it is a bad book by merit of having all these failures with nothing actually interesting to prop it up.

Introducing male teachers is also not the panacea people in this thread would posit to the problem: they are just as culpable of failing as teachers as women for a lot of the same reason. English classes are bogged down by prompting unnecessary investigation into metaphor whose entire existence is specious at best, rather than the historical context of a work (unless it’s pro-collectivist garbage like The Scarlet Letter*) or the construction of the story itself, both of which are far more important to developing an understanding of a work and a desire to read.

*Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong.

This would be interesting if done with the intent of explaining how death of an author really works, because I cannot think of a better example of an author who does not understand his own story or characters.
 
I remember reading the Scarlett Letter-I felt zero sympathy for the protagonist. Hawthorne wants me to feel sorry for an adulteress, who...cheated with a minister. Her husband was a doctor, and its basically just endless remissing on how she's sad and stuff. Her husband admits to being away and unable to take care of her-but she can't even acknowledge who the father is, nor do I recall does she ever reflect "you know, maybe I screwed up here".
 
The problem is, boys like different dare I say “problematic” stuff. And that isnt what female kindergarten or 8th grade teachers will be reading to them.
I feel this one, mostly because the opposite happened to me. In elementary school we got to pick from a list of books to read and I, and three other kids, picked a book I don't think the teacher really did their due diligence on.

It was about a boy during Nazi Germany who was targeted and ultimately sent to a camp. It had vivid details of the type of shit he was put through. I remember in one chapter a monk tried to help him and his family and the Germans beat his fingers until they broke. Another time the boy was forced to stare at a wall doing nothing for hours and he pissed himself.

Keep in mind I was in I believe fourth grade, so this was some heavy hitting shit. Damn sure kept me interested though and our group always had shit to discuss. I doubt kids would be able to read it today and I'm surprised I was even a decade and a half ago.

I can't remember the name of the book for the life of me despite all of that. I know for 99.9% sure it wasn't the boy in the striped pajamas. I want to say the kid wasn't even Jewish he was Polish or something like that.
 
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Its one of those baffling decisions like being forced to read Of Mice and Men and being told the takeaway isn't 'we should have killed retards before they ruin things for everyone else'.
I had a highschool English teacher who believed this was the actual takeaway of the book. (But with more subtle wording, obviously.) Never underestimate the ability of an English teacher to completely misunderstand something and push it onto the the class.
 
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