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[Xarpho's Return]

Trevor Noah did a standup in Amsterdam about the Netherlands where, among other things, he joked that he would rather step in front of a car than a bike since the cyclists are psychopaths who never use their brakes.

Trevor Noah still isn't funny and he's only marginally better at being a comedian than his larp as an American political pundit.

I also find it unbelievable that Dutch cyclists would be worse than New York ones, but you never know...

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

Trevor Noah did a standup in Amsterdam about the Netherlands where, among other things, he joked that he would rather step in front of a car than a bike since the cyclists are psychopaths who never use their brakes.

Isn't the magic trick to navigating the insane traffic in India to never stop moving? It's easier for a cyclist to rotate their wrists 12 degrees than for a human to stop, look at the cyclist, go forward, oh ups they wanted you to keep moving, and now it's a stand off.

 

[Markass the Worst]

It's easier for a cyclist to rotate their wrists 12 degrees

To them it's not just rotating their wrists, because they have to move their legs more after the wrist rotation. Cyclists only think about maintaining speed, never road safety.

 

[FPTMIU]

New NJB dropped, the title alone makes my blood boil

 

[quaawaa]

New NJB dropped, the title alone makes my blood boil

That video is about Houten, the suburb of Utrecht that he visited after malding about Korea being too car-centric.

The hilarious part about the video is that he loves the city because its main car roads don't go through its neighborhoods, which is just an implementation of the American arterial road system that he hates. Every American suburb is designed so that neighborhood streets are useless for non-locals, with many having paths for pedestrians connecting the winding roads.

TL;DW:

	Suburb, USA
	Suburb, NL

 

[FPTMIU]

New NJB dropped, the title alone makes my blood boil

So I watched it, genuinely retarded as shit.
>Children cycling by themselves to daycare unsupervised
Human trafficking scandal waiting to happen. if not now, when the non whites start moving in en masse, which will happen given the trajectory of things in this country.
>It has problems, busses take too long to arrive because they're motor vehicles and have to take the long way around
wow, almost like prioritizing archaic toys from the victorian period isn't a good way to design a city, good job you fucking retard

His whole rant about multiple options for housing is more hilarious due to the fact that NOBODY YOUNGER THAN 30 CAN AFFORD A FUCKING HOUSE IN THIS HELLHOLE, KILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING AMERICAN TOURIST NIGGER FAGGOT CUNT
Of course the rest is just a bunch of retarded cherrypicking of shitty places to live in america, as if US and Netherlands are the ONLY two countries on earth with cars and there are absolutely NO places that do a better job at infrastructure without gimping cars as a form of transport. This guy slobbers so much on my country's cock and I hate it, especially because it's a filthy rotten shithole that is only getting worse due to people like him.

Part about Mopeds as well, it's almost like people enjoy going to places fast and will use any method necessary to do so if they can't use a car. Does this nigger think that people won't just use modified e-bikes once mopeds get banned from the cycle lanes in that place? People in a world that harschly punishes lack of punctuality will have people wanting to get to places fast. That is the biggest issue to me, we live in a society (heh) that will make people lose their entire source of income if they come 2 minutes late too often (Even if there is absolutely no meaningful work that could possibly be done in that time). What non-retard will live in such a system and then want to go to places SLOWER? I'd understand if we lived by the rules of the medieval period where we just had to come and show up to work in vague time indexes like "the morning", come there and just laze around a bit and shoot the shit until everyone gets gathered, told what to do, then work a few hours until the sun sets and go home or to a tavern. In such a system yeah I can cycle to work, not when I overslept 10 minutes and have to get to work or goldberg fires me.

 

[AttilaIsTurk]

That video is about Houten, the suburb of Utrecht that he visited after malding about Korea being too car-centric.

The hilarious part about the video is that he loves the city because its main car roads don't go through its neighborhoods, which is just an implementation of the American arterial road system that he hates. Every American suburb is designed so that neighborhood streets are useless for non-locals, with many having paths for pedestrians connecting the winding roads.

TL;DW:

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That American neighborhood looks awfully confusing to my European eyes. I can't intuit an optimized path from point A to point B even as a pedestrian. Orderly grids and straight roads are unironically peak urban design, but you'll find anti-Americans shit on that too just because it reminds them of New York and facilitates guilt by association.

 

[Yamamura]

I wonder if Mr. Not Just Bikes will make a response?

Unlikely, he's not into baiting a response for a dialog more so he favors pitching his ideas into the void and expecting no feedback in return. He will never go on a podcast where the interviewer isn't already on board with his ideas at the start.

 

[FPTMIU]

That American neighborhood looks awfully confusing to my European eyes. I can't intuit an optimized path from point A to point B even as a pedestrian. Orderly grids and straight roads are unironically peak urban design, but you'll find anti-Americans shit on that too just because it reminds them of New York and facilitates guilt by association.

90% of anti-american arguments are not made rationally in any capacity. I guess Americans have it good enough that they can incessantly bitch about shit like this to pass the time or something

 

[sum ting wong]

That American neighborhood looks awfully confusing to my European eyes. I can't intuit an optimized path from point A to point B even as a pedestrian. Orderly grids and straight roads are unironically peak urban design, but you'll find anti-Americans shit on that too just because it reminds them of New York and facilitates guilt by association.

There's really only one way to get anywhere in that neighborhood so I wouldn't really agree that it's confusing. The branching streets all end so there's no loops, you just go to the main road and go where you need to go.

I honestly like the American neighborhood more because the houses have woods behind them rather than being crammed against another house. That's probably one of the best things about American suburbs is how much space you can have and the fact that urbanists want to take that away is one of my biggest gripes against them.

 

[BulkForceFive]

That is the biggest issue to me, we live in a society (heh) that will make people lose their entire source of income if they come 2 minutes late too often (Even if there is absolutely no meaningful work that could possibly be done in that time). What non-retard will live in such a system and then want to go to places SLOWER? I'd understand if we lived by the rules of the medieval period where we just had to come and show up to work in vague time indexes like "the morning", come there and just laze around a bit and shoot the shit until everyone gets gathered, told what to do, then work a few hours until the sun sets and go home or to a tavern. In such a system yeah I can cycle to work, not when I overslept 10 minutes and have to get to work or goldberg fires me.

I believe you on this, but Europeans are always bragging about how great their work-life balance is and how much time off work they get. I bet Jason has one of those salaried jobs where your required hours are weekly or bi-weekly and you have a pile of PTO you can use whenever you want.

 

[quaawaa]

Horrifyingly, the Netherlands has parking lots!




Most of the comments are saying that there's nothing car-centric about the mall because it's Dutch, not American:






Source (Archive)

 

[DavidS877]

Fuck cars. Let's make a giant pedal powered 4 wheeled thing to run over pedestrians.

 

[McMitch]

That American neighborhood looks awfully confusing to my European eyes. I can't intuit an optimized path from point A to point B even as a pedestrian. Orderly grids and straight roads are unironically peak urban design, but you'll find anti-Americans shit on that too just because it reminds them of New York and facilitates guilt by association.

The biggest feature of the American suburb shown is that, unless you're driving to a specific house, you aren't leaving the main roads that just pass through. The zeitgeist is that you turn onto one or two roads off the main road to get to your house but there will be no through-traffic to bother you.

This is clearly an upper-middle class ($200K+ per household) neighborhood at worst, as evident by all the hiking trails (marked in green) and woodland and golf courses. So there's even more incentive to keep though traffic (i.e. poors) from traveling through.

 

[The Wise Shaman]

"To every action, there is always opposed an equal reaction."
—Sir Isaac Newton

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I live in a region of Hungary where the population is divided between 1/3 living in a major urban center, 1/3 living in small towns, and 1/3 living in hundreds of different small villages, all confined within an area slightly larger than Rhode Island with only a third of its population. This region with its extreme regional structure would upset many urbanists, as it would defy many of their narratives. The only thing they got right is that you should be able to set up businesses anywhere, but this is literally all that takes to achieve 15-minute "cities".

Having businesses everywhere and being able to work anywhere also means many people commute (mostly with cars; you cannot realistically connect hundreds of settlements with low populations efficiently with buses) regularly between different places, turning every settlement simultaneously into being a suburb and not being one. You can live in a village and work in a small factory that operates inside another village, you can live in the city while you work at a nail salon in a town 20 kilometers away. You can own a second house in the middle of nowhere where you can do winemaking, beekeeping, and breed emus at the same time. There are markets in every larger settlement where you can buy anything homegrown or homemade. You can have a vegetable garden and a couple of chickens literally anywhere as long as your house has a garden.

It only takes me a few minutes to walk to the nearest shop in the morning, buy myself some freshly baked pastries for breakfast, then walk home and watch a blackbird couple in my yard having a good time eating worms. It's comfy. All you need to have all of these is to have troublesome minorities segregated into a few ghettos, not have a stupid amount of population density, and not have dumb restrictions on where you can operate a business. Nature will always be in close proximity with low population densities, even if you live in the city center.

Now everything I said is incompatible with ideas of an urbanist. They don't want you to mix and match your way of living. They're like low-functioning autists who cannot understand that people may have different opinions from them. They believe there's only one good way of living, and they want to force it on everyone. This is what they want to take from you:





While it might not be the richest region, it will always have more soul and humanity in it than any major cosmopolitan city, whether it's glazed all over like Amsterdam or despised like LA.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

90% of anti-american arguments are not made rationally in any capacity. I guess Americans have it good enough that they can incessantly bitch about shit like this to pass the time or something

I totally misread your post and gave you a Disagree, I'm sorry.

The hilarious part about the video is that he loves the city because its main car roads don't go through its neighborhoods, which is just an implementation of the American arterial road system that he hates. Every American suburb is designed so that neighborhood streets are useless for non-locals, with many having paths for pedestrians connecting the winding roads.

Yeah, even a lot of the squiggly streets have additional paths for pedestrians, and even in other areas there are gaps where streets don't connect but sidewalks do. They have to cherry-pick to find the squirreliest subdivisions and then pull out the "what about emergency vehicles" when they hate emergency vehicles and will do anything to fuck them over.

Most of the comments are saying that there's nothing car-centric about the mall because it's Dutch, not American:

"Car-accessible, not car dependent", what a fucking joke. My town has (mandated?) access points from fast food and other small businesses to sidewalks by a small crosswalk in the parking lot, and they STILL think that's "car dependent" since they have to cross a parking lot (and be in America).

 

[quaawaa]

"To every action, there is always opposed an equal reaction."
—Sir Isaac Newton

The video YouTube recommended me from his channel was him driving a lifted dually wrapped in an American flag:

Spoiler: Archive

 

[DavidS877]

Yeah, even a lot of the squiggly streets have additional paths for pedestrians, and even in other areas there are gaps where streets don't connect but sidewalks do. They have to cherry-pick to find the squirreliest subdivisions and then pull out the "what about emergency vehicles" when they hate emergency vehicles and will do anything to fuck them over.

I lived in a neighborhood like this, it was nice as you could get to the main street by bicycle or on foot but you didn't have any through traffic. From street view it looks like it did have an access gate to the bike path/service road. I know some of these just have break-away bollards that emergency vehicles can just drive through if they need to.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

This is Mueller. It is a neighborhood in Austin, Texas, built on the grounds of a former airport called the Robert Mueller Municipal Airport, which closed in 1999 after the Austin Bergstrom International Airport was built.


The eco-conscious, affordable development is mixed use with single family housing, apartment complexes, restaurants, retailers, green space, and jogging trails. It was built by Catellus Development Corporation, who have development projects all over the USA intended on transforming former airports and military bases into urban development projects. Here are images of the neighborhood:


Neighborhood website
Aldrich Street (the neighborhood’s activity hub website)
Catellus

 

[quaawaa]

This is Mueller. It is a neighborhood in Austin, Texas, built on the grounds of a former airport called the Robert Mueller Municipal Airport, which closed in 1999 after the Austin Bergstrom International Airport was built.
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The eco-conscious, affordable development is mixed use with single family housing, apartment complexes, restaurants, retailers, green space, and jogging trails. It was built by Catellus Development Corporation, who have development projects all over the USA intended on transforming former airports and military bases into urban development projects. Here are images of the neighborhood:
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Neighborhood website
Aldrich Street (the neighborhood’s activity hub website)
Catellus

The problem with Mueller is that almost all of the houses are tiny and have no land. Most of them are only 25-30 feet wide and they're not cheap.

There's very little private green space; the only green space is parks.

For all this density, there is zero retail near the houses, it's all near the generic 5-over-1 Texas Doughnuts in the north west and a strip mall in the north:

(There are more businesses than shown, Google Maps is just dumb and hides them)

Yes, it's only around a kilometer walk to the grocery store from the southern houses, but that's about the same as a traditional suburb with larger houses and yards. All the downsides of density with none of the benefits.

It's just another cheap suburb meant for transplants and immigrants where maximizing land usage was the #1 priority for the developer, though with a little more variation in architecture than usual.

Austin would have probably been better off keeping the land as a secondary airport like Houston and Dallas did with Hobby Airport and Love Field, especially considering how undersized AUS is and how much land Texas has for new housing.