Opinion The Conservative Attack on Empathy - Jesus said some stuff about being nice. Now give all your money to poor people and open your borders.

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Five years ago, Elon Musk told Joe Rogan during a podcast taping that “the fundamental weakness of Western civilization is empathy, the empathy exploit.” By that time, the idea that people in the West are too concerned with the pain of others to adequately advocate for their own best interests was already a well-established conservative idea. Instead of thinking and acting rationally, the theory goes, they’re moved to make emotional decisions that compromise their well-being and that of their home country. In this line of thought, empathetic approaches to politics favor liberal beliefs. An apparent opposition between thought and feeling has long vexed conservatives, leading the right-wing commentator Ben Shapiro to famously declare that “facts don’t care about your feelings.”

But the current ascendancy of this anti-empathy worldview, now a regular topic in right-wing social-media posts, articles, and books, might be less a reasonable point of argumentation and more a sort of coping mechanism for conservatives confronted with the outcomes of certain Trump-administration policies—such as the nightmarish tale of a 4-year-old American child battling cancer being deported to Honduras without any medication, or a woman in ICE custody losing her mid-term pregnancy after being denied medical treatment for days. That a conservative presented with these cases might feel betrayed by their own treacherous empathy makes sense; this degree of human suffering certainly ought to prompt an empathetic response, welcome or not. Even so, it also stands to reason that rather than shifting their opinions when confronted with the realities of their party’s positions, some conservatives might instead decide that distressing emotions provoked by such cases must be a kind of mirage or trick. This is both absurd—things that make us feel bad typically do so because they are bad—and spiritually hazardous.

This is certainly true for Christians, whose faith generally counsels taking others’ suffering seriously. That’s why the New York Times best seller published late last year by the conservative commentator Allie Beth Stuckey, Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion, is so troubling. In her treatise packaging right-wing anti-empathy ideas for Christians, Stuckey, a Fox News veteran who recently spoke at a conference hosted by the right-wing nonprofit Turning Point USA, contends that left wingers often manipulate well-meaning believers into adopting sinful argumentative and political positions by exploiting their natural religious tendency to care for others. Charlie Kirk, the Republican activist who runs Turning Point USA, said that Stuckey has demolished “the No. 1 psychological trick of the left” with her observation that liberals wield empathy against conservatives “by employing our language, our Bible verses, our concepts” and then perverting them “to morally extort us into adopting their position.” Taken at face value, the idea that Christians are sometimes persuaded into un-Christian behavior by strong emotions is fair, and nothing new: Suspicion of human passions is ancient, and a great deal of Christian preaching deals with the subject of subduing them. But Toxic Empathy is not a sermon. It is a political pamphlet advising Christians on how to argue better in political debates—a primer on being better conservatives, not better Christians.

Empathy is an ambiguous concept. When it was imported into English from German a little more than a century ago, empathy referred to one’s capacity to merge experiences with objects in the world, a definition that current usage bears little resemblance to: The Atlantic reported in 2015 that “the social psychologist C. Daniel Batson, who has researched empathy for decades, argues that the term can now refer to eight different concepts,” such as “knowing another’s thoughts and feelings,” “actually feeling as another does,” and “feeling distress at another’s suffering,” a kind of catchall term for having a moral imagination. Stuckey’s definition doesn’t distinguish among these different elements; she instead frames empathy itself as a specific emotion rather than a psychological capacity for understanding the emotions of others, which makes her usage especially confusing. Whatever it is, empathy isn’t something Stuckey wants to reject altogether: Jesus embodied a kind of empathy, and it can be, she says, “a powerful motivation to love those around you.”

The toxic kind of empathy, she contends, is the kind that makes you double-check your specifically conservative political priors. Some examples: “If you’re really compassionate, you’ll welcome the immigrant” and “If you’re really a Christian, you’ll fight for social justice.” This argumentative technique, in which Christians are asked to consider their political positions in light of the logic of their own faith, can hardly be described as empathy in any common sense of the term. This linguistic confusion between rational arguments about whether a person’s political positions are adequately Christian, on one hand, and arguments that people should reason from emotion, on the other, runs through the entire debate about empathy. What Stuckey seems to be saying is merely that progressive assertions summon certain emotions inside their conservative debate partners—such as pity and compassion—that make them unwilling to defend their premises, regardless of whether said conservatives are actually inhabiting the emotional states of other people. Labeling those emotions as fruits of toxic empathy is a strategy for dealing with them: It resolves the tension between what one feels and what one thinks by dismissing one’s feelings as misguided. This approach glibly ignores the possibility that such emotions are in fact the voice of one’s conscience, and takes for granted that ignoring one’s sympathies for other people is a good Christian habit of mind.

In that sense, the toxic-empathy rhetorical framework, built for producing peace of mind for conservative debaters, threatens to render Christians insensitive to moral demands of Christianity that run contrary to conservative preferences. “Toxic empathy claims the only way to love racial minorities is to advance social justice,” Stuckey writes at one point, “but ‘justice’ that shows partiality to the poor or to those perceived as oppressed only leads to societal chaos.” It’s true that every person should be judged equally in the administration of the law, but it’s also the case that Christianity actually does dictate that the needs of the poor and powerless should be prioritized in society. Far from being a misleading interpretation adduced by bad-faith actors in political debates, it is rather the plain meaning of the Gospels, attested to by thousands of years’ worth of Christian saints and thinkers who have declared that God especially loves the poor and the oppressed. That fact remains as radical today as it was when Jesus was preaching, and now, just as then, there are people who can’t stand to recognize it.
 
Christian charity is not a suicide pact. Jesus Himself said "it is not right to take food from the children and give it to dogs".

God has given power to civil authorities to uphold the rights, safety, and wellbeing of nation's citizens. Outsiders are a distant second. You are not being charitable when your "empathy" puts other people in danger.
Did you actually read the page that quote is from or did you ask Grok to write your post?
 
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Charity is for your personal morality; like many things, it starts at home, charity starts at home. At the same time, forsaking those closer to home for those more distant is a distortion of charity/empathy. The same goes for why charity starts at home; it's perverse to tell/force/vote for others tax dollars to go to something that doesn't benefit the nation. If you need to satiate your need for empathy; churches, soup kitchens, a number of places you can donate or contribute your own time and effort to that makes change in your community. But any sort of tax funded help is dangerous, as if you look at California's tax funded scheme, it looks more like money laundering than actual assistance. The same can be said for a number of official charities; a majority of what they take in goes to operating costs and other things, not trying to help people.

It's not a lack of empathy; it's noticing that the idea of charity has become weaponized to an insane degree, and I've made my decision about how/if/when I will contribute. I'm also not gonna be lectured about morality, empathy, or charity from soulless husks.
 
Conservatives are empathetic. They are so empathetic, they want rapists and violent non whites sent back to their own countries.

Also jesus does not say to be nice to satanists, homosexuals, etc. He tells christians to remove themselves from them and to not associate with them

Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.

Christianity actually does dictate that the needs of the poor and powerless should be prioritized in society
Which is the opposite of what democrats and leftists believe.

Conservatives do prioritize the needs of the poor and powerless. That's why liberals hate them so much
 
Which is the opposite of what democrats and leftists believe.

Conservatives do prioritize the needs of the poor and powerless. That's why liberals hate them so much
jesus says give what's caesar, Caesar. There will always be poor. You can't eradicate it. Jesus literally say all these shit multiple times.

It's fucking crazy.
 
Real empathy is what the Left will never have, therefore they can take what passes for a brain these days for a shit and then sod off.

The teachings of the Bible are that we help people if we can, but we must realise that some people can't be helped and some people don't want any help.

This thing that the Left has about 'being good' and 'right side of history' is a laugh - if and when God sends these Lefty faggots to roast in Hell, it will prove that all their pompousness and pride was for nothing after all.

I have a few charities and causes which I don't mind helping out, but when people lecture me about how I should give more because Jesus, I ask them 'and how much do you give?'

If they can answer that without frothing like a Matey bubble bath, I then ask them 'if I help your cause, how do I know that the money donated will help little Kwame in Shit Tip Village, Mombasa and not be spent by Senior Executives on 'Fact Finding' tours of Ghanaian Child Brothels?'

The way to solve poverty, especially in Africa, is to hand the continent over to Trump so that he can mine the almighty fuck out of it.
 
Really tired of hearing about empathy. To a liberal, being empathetic translates to being a fucking doormat for others while putting aside your own needs. It falls alongside the whole “be kind” schtick. It oozes such a smarmy, backhanded way of letting everyone know you’re such a caring individual. Fuck off with your pandering virtual signaling.

Here are some examples of that:
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You must be empathetic towards everyone - except Whites and conservatives. Make sure to punch your local heckin’ Nazi!
 
Kindness to the wolf is violence to the sheep.

To a liberal, being empathetic translates to being a fucking doormat for others while putting aside your own needs

No, to a liberal, empathy means making other people, preferably people who live far away from you, be a doormat for people who want to rape and kill them while personally profiting from it.
 
Man I really miss the smuggies subreddit, its a pitty it got banned. Has a replacement for it ever popped up?
Really tired of hearing about empathy. To a liberal, being empathetic translates to being a fucking doormat for others while putting aside your own needs. It falls alongside the whole “be kind” schtick. It oozes such a smarmy, backhanded way of letting everyone know you’re such a caring individual. Fuck off with your pandering virtual signaling.

Here are some examples of that:
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You must be empathetic towards everyone - except Whites and conservatives. Make sure to punch your local heckin’ Nazi!
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She doesn't understand that the Gospels didn't feature a call for collective "democratic socialism" or specify the perfect form of "christian government". She doesn't understand the difference between individual actions by choice based on theology and government confiscation and redistribution of wealth.

And that's where you'll always catch the scripture preaching leftists who dont actually understand Christianity. The Bible DOES preach these things, but it makes it 100% crystal clear that it is on the INDIVIDUAL to do this of their own volition, not at the behest of a higher power.

Also, ask them who is the only organization, according to the bible, that is supposed to support society. Any answer other than "the church" is another dead giveaway.
 
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Really tired of hearing about empathy. To a liberal, being empathetic translates to being a fucking doormat for others while putting aside your own needs. It falls alongside the whole “be kind” schtick. It oozes such a smarmy, backhanded way of letting everyone know you’re such a caring individual. Fuck off with your pandering virtual signaling.

Here are some examples of that:
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You must be empathetic towards everyone - except Whites and conservatives. Make sure to punch your local heckin’ Nazi!
Their idea of "empathy" is, in fact, just emotional blackmail. Some psychologists even call the way sociopaths manipulate people the "Empathy Trap".
 
That a conservative presented with these cases might feel betrayed by their own treacherous empathy
I can't say this has ever happened to me. I feel empathy for animals, elderly people and a select few others. I do not feel the slightest empathy for criminal invaders/Muslims/drug dealers/niggers/other worthless shitbags. And those sob stories about Poor Sick Anchor Baby Gets Deported don't work on me either.

@high and tired
To a liberal, being empathetic translates to being a fucking doormat for others while putting aside your own needs.
I was going to correct this but @The Ugly One beat me to it, damn near word for word too.
 
Pathological empathy isn't actually empathy, it's a symptom of collective lunacy that has melted peoples brains.
Much like being "open minded" to the point your brain falls off.

And this is a clear case of the smuggie of "I don't believe in Jesus/I am not Christian, but you should do everything I say otherwise blah blah blah".
 
I remember when communists used to actually read the bible (in order to find all the ""inconsistencies"" therein and masturbate about it in r/atheism) but now apparently they don't even do that because I'm pretty sure Jesus never said anything they say he did.
 
I thought the whole point of making up terms like "White fragility" is to groom a public not to show empathy for a race you're in the middle of exterminating for crimes they didn't commit.
 
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