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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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#VEGANsausageroll thanks Greggs

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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The hype got me like #Greggs #Veganuary


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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Twelve gazillion hours in Photoshop, by the way.

Didn't even need to touch up her eyes because they've already got their shit royally fucked up.

I'm amazed she didn't cry sooner after being made the personal scapegoat of:
- Killing thousands of pensioners due to the winter fuel payments
- Decimating the private business sector
- Driving up costs for every single person, including the people who verbally assault you whenever you show up to an MP's surgery
- Taking money away from the disabled

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So much of this shit, which has generally infected most countries, is a symptom of short-termism. Every single one of those issues can be solved with implementing a policy/solution that will take time to see yields, but since people don't see the benefit to it right now it may as well not have happened. We saw this in 2011, where Nick Clegg didn't want to fund the creation of a nuclear power station because it would take until the next decade to be ready, meaning our energy price issues can be attributed by a decision taken 14 years ago with no foresight. Well, no foresight for the people. You see, there's no guarantee that the LibDems would be in charge by then, so they don't want the other party taking credit for lowering energy prices and decreasing their party's chance of winning in that ensuring election, so they put a stop to it.

We saw this in reverse semi-recently to a negative end, where Labour got the blame for the Online Safety Bill despite it being introduced by the Tories - this is the only thing they might consider when implementing shit, whether it'll backfire and they get the blame or it'll succeed and they'll get the credit.

Most of these problems can be fixed implementing things that'll take time.
Nuclear power plants: high up-front costs, long time to start up, huge benefits where energy is concerned. Cheaper electricity = cheaper cost of living + business operation = more disposable income for people and more profit for businesses = more consumer spending and more business expansion and investing.

Removing great swathes of people: Via implicit targeting (ban of certain cultural practices considered abhorrent) or cash incentives (when numbers are lowered, pay the rest to fuck off), will take time for hundreds of thousands or millions upon millions to leave, but you decrease the number of welfare recipients, lower house prices, potentially see the closure of many unprofitable businesses opened to serve malicious ends allowing more legitimate ones to fill the vacuum - ones which actually provide jobs to people outside their in-group.

Boyz 'N The Hood even admitted to this shit decades ago: these people prioritise keeping their money within their communities, no wonder Reeves can't find the supposed trillion not being spent or recirculated in the wider economy — they're keeping it to themselves.

Deport 12 million people.

All that aside: problem is, the system encourages extreme short-term gains in order for the leading party to secure their position by building up a list of "wins" that come anchored with negative consequences in the future.

This is what a modern leftist government looks like. It's smaller weaker groups banding together to form a large group so they can take power. None of their goals align and most are in opposition of each other. The Anti-White Party has been elected and now they are breaking down because the war is over.

What changes to the benefits bill have been approved? The Lords still need to throw most of it out. The only good thing was enabling switching between benefits and work without automatically losing the benefits.

Labour encourages consolidation of smaller, left-wing parties under their umbrella for as much support possible (it also defangs a lot of smaller left-wing parties too, nothing like the BSW in the UK) which they inevitably fall into bickering; also allowing unions to vote directly in their leadership process makes other, non-union-backed parties appear illegitimate.

It's ironic that the right-wing seems more capable of unity and cross-party co-operation than the Left, which you wouldn't think would be the case but the precedent in history and modern times is so consistent that I'm wondering if they're aware of it too implicitly but are just waiting for the ripe opportunity to stab each other in the back.

Lowe's "Restore Britain" is sort of emblematic of that. It's meant to be a way for multiple right-wing parties, groups and people to come together to co-operate and push issues they feel similarly about, all differences aside. Meanwhile Labour literally can't vote along party lines for something because it's slightly contentious and it ended up making Reeves cry. There was less disunity over Brexit with the Conservatives than Labour with this one bill.

 

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

Starmer is a limp wristed faggot who will now U-Turn on getting rid of Reeves because people will call him a misogynist, and he's too much of a people pleaser to stick to any fucking decision.

 

[Overly Serious]

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I had to look up what that word meant.

Prior to decimalisation our currency was based around the number twelve. Twelve pennies in a shilling. 60 pennies to a crown. 240 pennies in a pound. This actually falls out much more naturally. Want to divide pounds into three? Into six? Into five? Into ten? That's 80p, 40p, 48p, 24p respectively. They're called factors. There are 2,3,4,6, 12 are all factors of 12 and because you're dealing with a multiple of 12 and 10 (240p in a pound), 5 and 10 are all factors as well. And I'm not sure what the mathematical term is but 8 is a semi-factor as well, being an easy multiple of the factor 4. Maths is easier with pre-decimilised currency. But it can sound harder because people think multiplying and dividing by 10 is easy. Well so it is, but most of the time in real life you're dividing by other things. People in England had been working fine with non-decimilised currency since 700AD. Then some midwits in the 1960's managed to push through a change to basing everything around the number 10. And why did they push this? For better integration with International trade. Yes, even back then globalisation was making things worse.

Thus concludes my little rant.

A topic of small talk ("Oof, hot innit?") has been overblown into this weird non-issue
I paid 27 quid for a nice fan that does the job on the weakest setting and will serve a purpose beyond this slight bout of 25c+ heat.

The key thing I look for in a fan is that it is quiet. I have a nice deep bucket like one what is supposed to create a tubular vortex of air which you can direct how you like. Seems to somewhat do that, but the main thing is it goes like a distant sigh.

I really wish we had an equivalent version of "it's so Joever".

The End is Kier?

 

[BongoMongo]

Does anyone else absolutely despise how they behave in the lower house?

They shout and jeer back heckle and it's all a gigantic pissing contest. They act like what they are- boorish, spoiled,coddled Private school cunts.

Like for fucks sake you are there,elected by the working population, on our tax money, earning nigh on 100k a year, plus expenses ( did you know while we are being reamed by an unregulated private dental sector in order to access what should be basic health care,those bastards can claim their private dental care back on expenses as it's seen as "essential" to them being able to work? Last time I checked there's no difference between their teeth and ours; why are we paying?) they're acting like primary school aged shitheads involved a fucking slap fight.

The absolute lack of decorum is a fucking offense to every single one of us.

 

[>IMPLYING]

Starmer is a limp wristed faggot who will now U-Turn on getting rid of Reeves because people will call him a misogynist, and he's too much of a people pleaser to stick to any fucking decision.

Assuming he considers political shit and isn't just treating this like a job he can't wait to be done with, there's a couple of considerations to take into factor:
1. Does getting rid of her make him appear "weak", and thus give greater cause for him to resign/no-confidence'd?
2. Does it make him look bad for firing a woman who, at least rom a cursory check of the BBC, has had her crying face put all over the place?
|> Will she resign of her own volition or be offered to resign to save face? And will people suspect him of pressuring her to do so regardless of whose choice it was?
|> Will people (like you said) take her leaving as being a result of sexism on Labour's behalf? Will this influence Labour's future party leader considering they've never had a woman in charge before?
3. Would he be saved in the eyes of the electorate if he fired the woman who is supposedly responsible for all the recent financial woes? Or will he just piss off the Leftists (the people he most probably shares some circles with) and the backbenchers for doing so?
|> Would the backbenchers approve of his decision, seeing her as the sole enemy in their desire for welfare and benefit expansion and thus give Starmer a second chance? Or would they disapprove regardless of their personal thoughts because they want Starmer out?

I think Starmer would probably hope for a resignation of her own volition. Seems the least likely to cause headaches since at best people can only suspect she was pressured into a resignation, not pushed into one.

Edit: My formatting didn't carry over.

 

[Otterly]

Maths is easier with pre-decimilised currency.

The units are also more humanly relatable. I sew in inches. Standard hem widths are things like a quarter inch, or a half inch, and these things seem much more ‘visualisation friendly.’ An inch is about the width of a man’s thumb. Easy to measure out.
A yard was about the distance from a man’s nose to the tip of his finger as he held his arm out. All the measurements are based in reality. A fathom is roughly the amount of rope you can hold between two outstretched arms, so as you reel a rope in it’s easy to measure. An ell of cloth was about six foot. So about the amount a man could reel off a bolt on the floor and hold up above his head.
They only fall down when you start to use them for scales at which they were never intended to be used at, but they persist in daily life because they’re human in scale

 

[Kofi Drinka]

It’s always funny when British lefties say how good things will be when Labors in power again. The only times they’ve ever won in the last half century were because people were pissed off at the Tories, only to do an even worse job and then get voted out of power just as quickly.
Glad to know the cycles continuing.

The common understanding was "The Tories are bad, Labour is worse." The slow boil against being thrown into the flames.

10s are just easier to work with than 12s. Having things always end on the same number and shift left is better than any even number being a rounding point. It wasn't a bad change.

 

[Overly Serious]

The units are also more humanly relatable. I sew in inches. Standard hem widths are things like a quarter inch, or a half inch, and these things seem much more ‘visualisation friendly.’ An inch is about the width of a man’s thumb. Easy to measure out.
A yard was about the distance from a man’s nose to the tip of his finger as he held his arm out. All the measurements are based in reality. A fathom is roughly the amount of rope you can hold between two outstretched arms, so as you reel a rope in it’s easy to measure. An ell of cloth was about six foot. So about the amount a man could reel off a bolt on the floor and hold up above his head.
They only fall down when you start to use them for scales at which they were never intended to be used at, but they persist in daily life because they’re human in scale

You really are the Renaissance Woman. I can somehow imagine you knitting a bonnet for your ween whilst chatting away about Original Antigenic Sin and DNA.

And funnily enough, in computers I used binary (powers of 2) and hexadecimal (base 16 number system) and on rare occasions Octal (base . It's base 10 that is weird and clunky. Somewhere in another timeline there's a version of humanity that has six digits on each hand and they've already got permanent moon bases just because nobody ever thought "we have ten fingers so we should base our number system around counting to ten". The solution to the Fermi Paradox is probably that the aliens are hiding because they don't want to catch our stupid.

10s are just easier to work with than 12s

I thought so too when it was all I knew as a kid. But I've grown past the point where being able to put a zero on the end of something is a time saver for me. Like many things, something quick to learn is often a false saving. Once interfacing with real world things, the convenience of having many additional factors outweighs that.

I will concede however, that this is a battle I may have lost, for now.

 

[SirCliveSinclairdabbing]

And funnily enough, in computers I used binary (powers of 2) and hexadecimal (base 16 number system) and on rare occasions Octal (base . It's base 10 that is weird and clunky. Somewhere in another timeline

I’ve always wondered about the version of us that used 4 state logic (tristate fuzzy logic plus absence of output)

 

[FuckedOffToff]

10s are just easier to work with than 12s

Try it with the calendar and the clock. It's unworkable.

 

[BongoMongo]

Try it with the calendar and the clock. It's unworkable.

The system we use at work for engineers jobs works on a 100 minute hour. Absolutely infuriating. I've lost count of the number of times I've had someone ask me about it.

 

[Made In Wales]

Loony Solar Farm plans upset Conservationists - why aren't the Green Party standing up for the countryside anymore?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/this-irretrievably-damage-nationally-important-31974084

Archive: https://archive.ph/wip/RI2M8

 

[Kofi Drinka]

Try it with the calendar and the clock. It's unworkable.

Clocks and Calendars always end in 12. There isn't 12, 24, 36, 48 to deal with. Calendars are a mess too. They need to share the days evenly instead of this crazy format we have now.

 

[neger psykolog]

She lied about her past and her abilities, and now she's sat there in tears in front of millions of people in a video that will never be erased. I've done a year in a job I've hated before and I'm very glad she is suffering the consequences of her own actions. Especially when her and her job especially affects whether my grandmother can afford to heat her home this winter.

Isn't lying to the government considered actual fraud?

 

[FuckedOffToff]

Loony Solar Farm plans upset Conservationists - why aren't the Green Party standing up for the countryside anymore?

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/this-irretrievably-damage-nationally-important-31974084

Archive: https://archive.ph/wip/RI2M8

All Green Parties everywhere were taken over by parasitic pedos and other sexual deviants at least a decade ago.
It's not a difficult question to someone who retained the pattern recognition skills they learned as a six year old.
Small parties, susceptible to nutters taking over - see Aimee Challenor.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Re: Decimalisation. I work in physics/chemistry. Mathematics is just easy for me, plebs.

 

[Damp Noodle]

Re: Decimalisation. I work in physics/chemistry. Mathematics is just easy for me, plebs.

But can you get laid?

 

[Made In Wales]

@>IMPLYING If Reeves does go (long overdue) then I think she'll drag Starmer down with her.

She has to have dirt on him, having been put in a position she should never have been given.

Nick Leeson with tits.

Also, Starmer looks a bit wobbly:

https://www.gbnews.com/politics/video-keir-starmer-trips-downing-street

Archive: https://archive.ph/wip/37U24

'Pride comes before a fall'.

Re: Decimalisation. I work in physics/chemistry. Mathematics is just easy for me, plebs.

Ah, therefore you know your ΔKE from your J = FΔt

Impressive.

 

[Snekposter]

and for temporary relief,run your wrists under the cold tap and get them good and chilly

That's practically been a lifesaver for me here at times over in the USA. I get nasty migraines in the heat at times and that, an ice pack, and some cold water really help.

and then keep the windows closed for as long as it remains cooler indoors than out.

I'd add to keep the blinds drawn a bit too if you can. A little sun goes a long way in summer, and a lot of sun goes a really long way.

And again, and again, and again, and again. I hate taxes.

Have you considered throwing a bunch of tea into London harbor in protest at this unjust taxation? Its what we Americans did and I'd say it worked out great for us in the end since we traded horribly unjust rule for only somewhat unjust rule.

Americans can't resist coming into the thread and making an arse of themselves can they?

I resent that remark. I make an ass of myself just fine without this thread.

Decimalisation was a mistake and a concession to the less intelligent.

As opposed to the nonsense I encounter whenever I re-read the Hornblower novels? You guys are so weird you thought having a currency named "guinea" wasn't horribly degrading.

Clocks and Calendars always end in 12. There isn't 12, 24, 36, 48 to deal with. Calendars are a mess too. They need to share the days evenly instead of this crazy format we have now.

Well, you see, there was this guy named Gaius Julius who really wanted to make his mark on the world and so he decided to add a day to the month named after his family. This made a great many people upset but unfortunately after they killed him they were too lazy to undo the change.

 

[Chunky Salsa]

Have you considered throwing a bunch of tea into London harbor in protest at this unjust taxation? Its what we Americans did and I'd say it worked out great for us in the end since we traded horribly unjust rule for only somewhat unjust rule.

My favourite thing about the American War for Independence, was that it was just unreasonable total retard war. Shit is hilarious.
"WE WANT MORE RIGHTS THAN ANY OTHER PEOPLE!"
'Okay'
"WE WANT NO TAXES!"
'I mean...less maybe, will you stop being dicks now?'
"NO, DIE!"

Founding Fathers literally just mashed their balls into the Kings face over and over again. An entire country built on 'haha get fucked' from a bunch of over educated frat bros.