Sony hate thread

Depends on what you consider low end. For the 10-15% of the 140 million Steam users who have competent hardware then yeah perhaps. But for the rest of that 140 million steam users on laptops, steam decks and poverty setups in E.E., Brazil and China then it's a multiple times more powerful than what they have
It's not 2022 anymore. The top GPU on the Steam hardware survey is an RTX 3060 which is in the same ballpark of what the base PS5 can do (worse in VRAM constrained situations, better at RT and has access to DLSS). So roughly half of the Steam userbase is likely using a system that's on par with the PS5 or better.
 
You're either trolling and disingenuous or low IQ If you think Sony hasn't made a good game since PS2 because you can't fathom not having constant action that stimulates your ADHD tiktok fried brain every 5 seconds
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It's not 2022 anymore. The top GPU on the Steam hardware survey is an RTX 3060 which is in the same ballpark of what the base PS5 can do (worse in VRAM constrained situations, better at RT and has access to DLSS). So roughly half of the Steam userbase is likely using a system that's on par with the PS5 or better.
Sure I agree and below the 3060 its starts trickling down to worse cards until the eventual 2% of a 70 or 80 card
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One thing you never do is tickle Markorian soynys hate boner, thats like putting your naked ass in a bee nest. You have been warned.
I'm motivated mostly not by my hate for what sony has become, but my love for what they used to be, and the knowledge of how easy it would be for them to go back to at least SOME of what once made them great if they gave the tiniest iota of a shit.
 
I'm motivated mostly not by my hate for what sony has become, but my love for what they used to be, and the knowledge of how easy it would be for them to go back to at least SOME of what once made them great if they gave the tiniest iota of a shit.
I share your hate/love, brother. I feel the same way for Xbox but I know that any chance of them re-kindling the greatness of 2001-2008 is long gone and dead. Feels bad bro.
 
This may be a bit tinfoil, but something is happening with Cerny, AMD and Sony.

AMD and Microsoft have announced a collaboration on hardware in the future. At the same time, Cerny has said that the tech in the PS6 will not be proprietary and will be available to many manufacturers, which flies in the face of the philosophy of PS4, PS4PRO and PS5.

On top of that, there's a rumoured update coming to PS5PRO next year, and rumours circling that Playstation are dropping PSSR entirely, in favour of AMD machine learning and AI software.

I think Playstation's managers have pissed off every old-school manager that brought the brand success and made decisions so poor that Sony have used it as an excuse to separate itself from Playstation. If GTA6 tanks, or they miss their MAU and console sales figures again, I expect them to go the way of Microsoft.
 
If GTA6 tanks, or they miss their MAU and console sales figures again, I expect them to go the way of Microsoft.
Any sensible company would have either spun playstation off and sold them, or shut them down outright, with the disaster the ps3 was. People don't usually see the full extent of damage the ps3 did to sony as a whole, because the top brass overall were all former playstation people who treated the division with absolute kid gloves and gave it additional chances at every turn, and would do anything they can to shift as many of the losses to other divisions. One of the big things is the fact that when the ps3 released, even a year after the 360, something like a third of a percent of households in the US had an hd capable tv. Sony's big plan was that with every FIE HUNNID NINEY NINE YOU ESS DORRAH ps3, they'd also sell a $3000-4000 sony hdtv. Instead, they helped samsung sell a LOT of $1200 hdtvs. As much loss as they could play a shell game with the numbers was shifted over from playstation to the consumer electronics division during that time.

Right now though, sony as a whole is being run by people far less enamored with SIE. They'll leave them be when times are good, but when they aren't, like right now, you've got corporate putting a direct intermediary in charge of the CEO of SIE, who's directly saying that if budgets don't get under control and profit margins don't become acceptable, massive cuts are going to happen. Right now, profits are slim, but if they dip into outright losses for even a moment, heads will roll.
 
Any sensible company would have either spun playstation off and sold them, or shut them down outright, with the disaster the ps3 was. People don't usually see the full extent of damage the ps3 did to sony as a whole, because the top brass overall were all former playstation people who treated the division with absolute kid gloves and gave it additional chances at every turn, and would do anything they can to shift as many of the losses to other divisions. One of the big things is the fact that when the ps3 released, even a year after the 360, something like a third of a percent of households in the US had an hd capable tv. Sony's big plan was that with every FIE HUNNID NINEY NINE YOU ESS DORRAH ps3, they'd also sell a $3000-4000 sony hdtv. Instead, they helped samsung sell a LOT of $1200 hdtvs. As much loss as they could play a shell game with the numbers was shifted over from playstation to the consumer electronics division during that time.

Right now though, sony as a whole is being run by people far less enamored with SIE. They'll leave them be when times are good, but when they aren't, like right now, you've got corporate putting a direct intermediary in charge of the CEO of SIE, who's directly saying that if budgets don't get under control and profit margins don't become acceptable, massive cuts are going to happen. Right now, profits are slim, but if they dip into outright losses for even a moment, heads will roll.
And yet, having not done that, Playstation has now recovered, become extremely profitable and been the one thing driving Sony forward as the tv and computer divisions failed. Guess those execs know a lot more than you do afterall.
 
Any sensible company would have either spun playstation off and sold them, or shut them down outright, with the disaster the ps3 was.
To be fair to Sony, the PS3 was a re-attempt at the Phillips CD-i. It, like the CD-i, was ahead of it's time with tech and was just too expensive. Something Sony hasn't learned from.
Right now, profits are slim, but if they dip into outright losses for even a moment, heads will roll.
I think they're in losses, or skirting it. They've chucked away billions and are only surviving on 3rd party MTX. As soon as that ends, and it will, they'll be stuck in the same position as Microsoft; fighting over 3rd party scrap.
And yet, having not done that, Playstation has now recovered, become extremely profitable and been the one thing driving Sony forward as the tv and computer divisions failed. Guess those execs know a lot more than you do afterall.
It hasn't recovered. It did during the PS4 era and at the start of the this gen, but the last 3 years it has been a disaster.
 
And yet, having not done that, Playstation has now recovered, become extremely profitable and been the one thing driving Sony forward as the tv and computer divisions failed. Guess those execs know a lot more than you do afterall.
Playstation has ridiculously poor profit margins, rendering them extremely vulnerable to even the slightest market shifts, and would be over $5 BILLION in the red every single year were it not for taking 30% off the top of every cod lootbox, genshit pull, fortnite purchase, and every kid stealing their parents credit card for robux done over psn. When you get between $8 and $10 billion a year in what's essentially free money with zero risk and negligible cost for being a glorified payment processor and still post margins these slim, that's not a healthy business. When you add up the way costs and losses associated with the ps3 were shifted around to other divisions, ps4 and ps5 combined haven't come close to digging the company out of the hole it left.
 
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To be fair to Sony, the PS3 was a re-attempt at the Phillips CD-i. It, like the CD-i, was ahead of it's time with tech and was just too expensive. Something Sony hasn't learned from.

I think they're in losses, or skirting it. They've chucked away billions and are only surviving on 3rd party MTX. As soon as that ends, and it will, they'll be stuck in the same position as Microsoft; fighting over 3rd party scrap.

It hasn't recovered. It did during the PS4 era and at the start of the this gen, but the last 3 years it has been a disaster.
Financially, it hasn't been and that's what we're talking about.
 
Financially, it hasn't been and that's what we're talking about.
If things were actually good, sony wouldn't be trying to shy away from profits, sales numbers, and actual profit margins in their shareholder meetings and trying to steer everyone towards bizarre comparisons with peloton and instant pot, graphs that collate social media interaction without labeling any of the axes, "monthly active users", and all the other nonsense they spend a shit ton of time and energy on trying to get people paying attention to over their hard numbers. But sure, a business model that relies on kids stealing their parents credit cards and hoping they don't charge it back is very healthy, and it's very normal for a business to be given almost $10 billion in basically free money and barely make $3 billion in profit overall after that, not even counting all the shit they raised the prices on.
 
If things were actually good, sony wouldn't be trying to shy away from profits, sales numbers, and actual profit margins in their shareholder meetings and trying to steer everyone towards bizarre comparisons with peloton and instant pot, graphs that collate social media interaction without labeling any of the axes, "monthly active users", and all the other nonsense they spend a shit ton of time and energy on trying to get people paying attention to over their hard numbers. But sure, a business model that relies on kids stealing their parents credit cards and hoping they don't charge it back is very healthy, and it's very normal for a business to be given almost $10 billion in basically free money and barely make $3 billion in profit overall after that, not even counting all the shit they raised the prices on.
I don't know what shit you're on about, they've been very up front about their sales and profits recently.

Edit: Also, you're being a fucking moron about the "free money." Its been like that for nearly 20 years now, including in the PS3 era ehen execs had to decide whether to get out or stay in. That was factored in from the start. The money's also not free for anyone, it has to be earned by maintaining install base and interest, something their competition has failed to do.
 
This may be a bit tinfoil, but something is happening with Cerny, AMD and Sony.
AMD is in a fantastic position right now in a lot of ways -- their CPUs are straight-up better (in all factors -- speed, temperature and energy consumption) than Intel's, and their commercially-available (i.e. consumer- and pro-grade) GPUs are a substantially better value proposition even if they're not the fastest in raw numbers since they're much less expensive comparatively speaking than nVidia's offerings.

The CPU game for the next few years is already over. Intel has literally nothing to respond to AMD with; all they've managed to do is drive up clock speeds (driving up heat and energy consumption with it) and they're still having production problems (some of their newest chips have started spontaneously rusting/oxidizing).

nVidia is betting the farm on ray tracing and AI, which is arguably only a "thing" now because those respective industries happened to standardize on their (nVidia's) APIs for both. AMD GPUs can also do ray tracing and AI tasks, but not with the "de-facto" APIs without translation layers that slow things down, so they're a distant second on those fronts. For traditional GPU tasks -- rendering, rasterizing, fill rate, polygon-pushing goodness, etc. -- AMD's best can hold its own against nVidia's flagship line. They're gaining ground fast on that end by partnering with the console brands for optimized GPUs. nVidia can't hold on forever with this artificial distinction -- Bethesda's gonna want Doom Dark Ages on PS5 and Xbone eventually, and since that game requires ray tracing, that means Vulkan is going to see some improvements to standardize and generalize ray tracing to knock nVidia off their throne.

Their proprietary GPU stuff (that's only currently available to MS and Sony) seems to be pretty strong evolutions along existing lines, and if they're smart (and it sounds like they are) they've baked something into their agreements w/MS and Sony to allow them to integrate those "premium" developments back into their regular chipsets and drivers after a given period. Also bear in mind AMD's Linux drivers are astonishingly good compared to nVidia's. It's regularly reported that games that natively support both Windows and Linux actually run faster on identical hardware on Linux on AMD hardware.

It's AMD's game to lose here. They're eating Intel's lunch already, nibbling at nVidia's heels in an annoying way (to nVidia, anyway), they're the SoC supplier for 2/3rds of the gaming console market and they're on good terms with both of those partners (and likely more behind the scenes). So long as they don't seriously fuck something up and they stay the path, they're sitting pretty for the next decade at least.
 
It's AMD's game to lose here. They're eating Intel's lunch already, nibbling at nVidia's heels in an annoying way (to nVidia, anyway), they're the SoC supplier for 2/3rds of the gaming console market and they're on good terms with both of those partners (and likely more behind the scenes). So long as they don't seriously fuck something up and they stay the path, they're sitting pretty for the next decade at least.
remember that amd never loses a opportunity to lose a opportunity.
their lastest flagship cards with 8GB ram and their shitty excuse for that piece of e-waste says it all.
 
remember that amd never loses a opportunity to lose a opportunity.
their lastest flagship cards with 8GB ram and their shitty excuse for that piece of e-waste says it all.
What are you talking about? The RX 9060 has 16GB and can be had for under $450. The RX 9070 also has 16GB and looks to be going for under $700.
 
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What are you talking about? The RX 9060 has 16GB and can be had for under $450. The RX 9070 also has 16GB and looks to be going for under $700.
the 8GB version in fucking 2025 and the retarded press message about it's existence, do you need glasses nigga?
so AMD losing a potential chipset deal with sony for PS6 is a possibility, the others you have said it yourself, i mean outside intel's reviving their gpu division but it's for pc, not consoles.
i mean, intel arc for ps6 or Xwhatever the fuck is supposed to be the new name of the thing would be wild, RED vs BLU all over again.
 
their CPUs are straight-up better (in all factors -- speed, temperature and energy consumption) than Intel's

The CPU game for the next few years is already over. Intel has literally nothing to respond to AMD with; all they've managed to do is drive up clock speeds (driving up heat and energy consumption with it) and they're still having production problems (some of their newest chips have started spontaneously rusting/oxidizing).
I'm not sure this is really true, Intel has a good plan with their tile architecture which can drive down COGS and give them a lot of flexibility on pricing. Even their previous gen chips are really killer in low end high volume laptop markets, I recently bought a chromebook for my daughter and it has an 8-ecore intel chip giving perf that would be unthinkable at the pricepoint not that long ago, doesn't even get warm.

Given an iteration or two on that I really think their desktop and server chips will be giving AMD a lot of trouble.
 
I just showed you the 16GB version of the RX 9060 and 9070; those are the flagships, not the 8GB versions.
and i was mentioning their 8GB versions, nigga.
here i'll put in cowlish: moo 8GB moo, moon't 16GB, moogga!
Given an iteration or two on that I really think their desktop and server chips will be giving AMD a lot of trouble.
partially right, xeons are alright for the price especially if you consider how they trickle down on the chinese market but the regular intel cpu is too hot for a regular consumer and they ain't into watercooling to handle the mini-heater unlike ryzens.
i've yet to see a threadripper on the same price as a E3 1225 V2 on aliexpress (or a E-2176G but they are still to trickle down and the few ones for sale are about 10% cheaper than a ripper).
 
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